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Karmadillo
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Tue May-10-11 05:41 AM Original message |
Our Depravity |
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pipoman
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Tue May-10-11 05:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. Whether or not bin laden was armed |
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poli_ticks
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Tue May-10-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. That's a BushCo position |
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Green_Lantern
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Tue May-10-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. did Al Qaeda wage war on the US on 9/11? |
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Spider Jerusalem
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Wed May-11-11 06:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Only states can wage war. |
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Green_Lantern
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Thu May-12-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
92. I really disagree...there is no international law consensus defining |
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JuniperLea
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Thu May-12-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. And all NATO actions are illegal... |
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poli_ticks
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Wed May-11-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
66. Al-Qaeda certainly attacked us |
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Green_Lantern
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Thu May-12-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #66 |
93. Forget Bush...should Obama have had to get a declaration of war |
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poli_ticks
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Fri May-13-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #93 |
103. What I really think |
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Green_Lantern
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Fri May-13-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. killing Osama didn't undermine the Constitution... |
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poli_ticks
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Fri May-13-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Our on-going presence in Pakistan |
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Green_Lantern
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Fri May-13-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. I think you're oversimplifying what brought down the Roman empire.. |
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poli_ticks
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Fri May-13-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Well, sure. |
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pipoman
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Tue May-10-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Uh, no, it is a US history issue |
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poli_ticks
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Wed May-11-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
69. Sure, if you want to put it that way. |
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Cid_B
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Wed May-11-11 06:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
21. What LE tactics would you have used to "arrest" OBL? |
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dionysus
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Wed May-11-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. "mr bin laden, this is the SEALS, come out with your hands up. FREEZE!" |
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Cid_B
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Wed May-11-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Okay... I just need a minute.... |
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cherokeeprogressive
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Wed May-11-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
64. "Calling all cars! Calling all cars! Be on the lookout for a 6'4" Arab! Goes by the name Osama..." |
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poli_ticks
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Wed May-11-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
73. I'm not objecting about the tactics, actually |
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Green_Lantern
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Thu May-12-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #73 |
99. invading another country is totally legitimate to defend our security.. |
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mmonk
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Wed May-11-11 06:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
20. Then they all should have killed. No survivors. |
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coalition_unwilling
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Wed May-11-11 11:34 AM Original message |
Glad to see you're back. DU had a mini panic attack on Saturday (I think), but |
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mmonk
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Thu May-12-11 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
101. Yep. Inconsistency is shifting sand. |
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Green_Lantern
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Thu May-12-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
98. it isn't all or nothing...you can use different tactics to get terrorists.. |
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quaker bill
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Tue May-10-11 06:10 AM Response to Original message |
2. 85 percent thought invading Iraq was a good idea |
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poli_ticks
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Tue May-10-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. 85? I don't recall there being quite that much support for it. |
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quaker bill
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Wed May-11-11 06:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
16. I do recall the polls that estimated it |
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leftynyc
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Wed May-11-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
34. 85% supported Iraq? |
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JoePhilly
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Tue May-10-11 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
4. Is this attempt #24 or #25? |
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Solomon
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Wed May-11-11 07:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
23. More like 52. |
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JoePhilly
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Wed May-11-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. And as if on cue ... |
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Romulox
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Tue May-10-11 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Something like 90+% of us were against the bankster bailouts, and they did them anyway |
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poli_ticks
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Wed May-11-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
76. They tell us we are a Democracy. |
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Green_Lantern
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Thu May-12-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
100. how can anyone see Osama as a "bogeyman".. |
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Octafish
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Tue May-10-11 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. I agree with this post. Every word. |
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kenny blankenship
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Tue May-10-11 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
8. Please. I feel more guilt over eating dessert two nights in a row. |
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Swede
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Tue May-10-11 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yes,Obama is an evil,bad,evil man. |
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gratuitous
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Tue May-10-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
10. Gotta agree with Mr. Welsh |
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Green_Lantern
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Tue May-10-11 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
11. if a woman shoots and kills a guy who wants to rape her |
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coalition_unwilling
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Wed May-11-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
62. Quoting from a post elsewhere by DUer SoDesuka: |
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Green_Lantern
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Thu May-12-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #62 |
94. so by that definition Rwanda war wasn't a war... |
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ProSense
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Tue May-10-11 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
13. Ian Welsh |
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mmonk
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Wed May-11-11 06:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Well that certainly makes it about Obama and not adherence |
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dionysus
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Wed May-11-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. hell hath no fury like a smoove johnny supporter scorned. |
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yawnmaster
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Tue May-10-11 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
15. Oh, the old days always seem so greener. eom |
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kentuck
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Wed May-11-11 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
17. It's only an evolution... |
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SidDithers
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Wed May-11-11 06:29 AM Response to Original message |
22. pfffftt....nt |
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dionysus
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Wed May-11-11 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
24. unrec for crying about a dead terrorist. |
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Fire1
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Wed May-11-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. LOL!!! n/t |
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alsame
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Wed May-11-11 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
29. An uncomfortable look in the mirror for us. It seems like most who |
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Hell Hath No Fury
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Wed May-11-11 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
31. This is it, right here: |
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ProSense
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Wed May-11-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. When was |
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Hell Hath No Fury
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Wed May-11-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. If the Seals had captured him at the compound - |
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Robb
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Wed May-11-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Clinton lobbed cruise missiles at bin Laden. |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. And he missed so the issue never arose. |
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ProSense
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Wed May-11-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. And the bombs were |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. But after Khobar Towers. |
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ProSense
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Wed May-11-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Hmmmm? |
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Hell Hath No Fury
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Wed May-11-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #37 |
57. I should have clarified - |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Obama may have a problem with the dumping at sea |
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ProSense
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Wed May-11-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. "because I'm pretty sure it's illegal to obscure the resting place of your enemy dead." |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Exhibit A. |
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ProSense
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Wed May-11-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Well, |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Cite? nt |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Cite what? 1.2.17 Geneva specificly provides for the marking of graves |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. The basic issue is that Al Qaeda is not a signatory of the Geneva conventions, nor are they regular |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #59 |
65. That's Cheney's lawyers' reading of Geneva. |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. You're not making a legal argument by pointing that out. Rebut the point, or concede it... |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. But we are. And Geneva does provide for the treatment of combants |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Non-signatory "powers" can claim protection only if they ALSO honor the Conventions |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. That's a misreading. It is not the case that an individual ceases to have human rights |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. The Geneva Convention speak to the relations between combatants in war, not generic "human rights" |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Nope, that's your misreading. |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
48. Al Qaeda isn't a signatory to the Geneva Conventions |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Cheney's lawyers position, iirc. |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Guilt by association is a basic logical fallacy. |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. The fact is that it is Cheney's lawyers' position |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. That fact doesn't argue to the merit of the issue, however. |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. There is no jurisdiction issue. The idea that Geneva doesn't apply |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. The OP in your link cites "United Nations Special Rapporteur" as the source of the ban |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. No, that is wrong. Common Article 3 applies to ALL persons |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. No point in responding to the same argument twice. See my response, upthread. |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. No, that is wrong. In simple language from the ICRC site: |
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Wed May-11-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. Serious question: Are you 100% sure that a person or gang of |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. I simply don't think the drafters of the Conventions contemplated a group like Al Qaeda |
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Wed May-11-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Thanks. I can see I have some further self-education to do. - n/t |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Just remember, my interpretation carries the weight of only my own opinion. |
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leftynyc
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Wed May-11-11 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
33. More hand wringing |
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backscatter712
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Wed May-11-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
91. There is the theory that they deliberately kept Hitler alive near the end of the war... |
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Wed May-11-11 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
44. And those few of us who do question the new ethos are told either |
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ProSense
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Wed May-11-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Well, |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. The Democrats should be all over the place with that ridiculous graphic |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Or that we sympathize with bin Laden. |
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ProSense
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Wed May-11-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. "It's a lot easier than I thought for a nation to be turned into a mob." |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Right and of course, I always agree with John Yoo. |
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ProSense
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Wed May-11-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Hmmmm? |
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dionysus
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Thu May-12-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
102. a viscious, horrible personal attack!111! how can you sleep?! |
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Hell Hath No Fury
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Wed May-11-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. "Unbelievable. It's a lot easier than I thought for a nation to be turned into a mob." |
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Romulox
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Wed May-11-11 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
50. Serious question: what law (specific cite, plz!) was broken by killing Bin Laden? |
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defendandprotect
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Fri May-13-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
110. If he was unarmed -- and that seems to be true -- should have been taken prisoner ... |
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Wed May-11-11 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
56. DEVGRU did it right |
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Wed May-11-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
63. Common criminals get shot when they attempt to flee ... |
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Fri May-13-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #63 |
105. yeah... see, that's WRONG. |
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AuntPatsy
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Wed May-11-11 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
74. I was shocked in how. Some behaved , guess I should not be by now, good post |
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NYC Liberal
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Wed May-11-11 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
81. Were Germans living in Nazi Germany wrong to try to take out Hitler? |
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JuniperLea
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Thu May-12-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #81 |
95. The hypocrisy is staggering... |
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Wed May-11-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
89. More backseat quarterbacking of the SEAL Team. |
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EFerrari
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Wed May-11-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. The SEAL team did not write its own orders. They have little to do with this. n/t |
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Thu May-12-11 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
97. Kicking and screaming they try to pull us back into the "wimpy Democrat" category. |
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Fri May-13-11 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
109. Agree -- and remember that our Military also outlawed torture -- and that ... |
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