How do we destroy the blue dogs?

[Taverner]

These guys have been the thorn in our side ever since I can remember.

They are the "democrats" who bolted from the party when they learned they might have to share some of that wealth and power with African-Americans

They were the "reagan democrats" who sold out our party to a hack actor and a spook

They were the "Clinton Democrats" who pushed "tough on crime" policies, let the prison industrial complex take shape and bombed the shit out of Iraq on an almost daily basis

They were the Joe Liebermans, the Zell Millers, the Rahm Emanuels

They were always carrying water for corporate America first, the American people, last

We need to find a way to eliminate them - and not just marginalize them and destroy their careers, but make an example of them so three new heads don't grow in the severed one's place

In short, we need to take away what they most value in the world: money

We need to bankrupt them. Stigmatize them. Destroy their 'thousand dollar plate' fundraisers.

We need to make them bankrupt

We need to find any and every method to put them and their families out on the street, just as they have done to so many American families so far

The GOP? They're crazy and are eating their own.

The real threat is the Blue Dog

He is OUR enemy

[Ship of Fools]

1. i've been thinking

that repubs will eat each other, die off by attrition -- then blue dogs become the opposition to democratic party ... a somewhat strange theory, but maybe? kind of like the crazies move out and the right of center becomes the next party of the right? sort of self correction?

[KansDem]

15. I think you're on to something!

...then blue dogs become the opposition to democratic party

They'll be the "Democrat Party," and we'll be the "Democratic Party." :woohoo:

[LiberalAndProud]

2. Don't worry. The Tea Party will do it for us.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/09/tea-party-express-names-sen-ben-nelson-as-a-top-target/

Some may view this as a good thing. I believe we have seen this particular Blue Dog's last term. Put on your dancing shoes, Taverner. One Blue Dog down. hip hip hurray




And in case I need this: :sarcasm:

[Erose999]

3. It may involve some time in the wilderness. The party will drift further right, lose another

election and then remember that its base is composed of progressives, gays, immigrants, feminists, academia, unions, etc.

I think the current strategy of trying to sway the right-leaning independents away from the Tim Pawlenty/Mitt Romney ticket will probably win Obama a second term... but the long term consequences of capitulating to the right aren't very promising. We may have a "President Palin" in 2016.

[AmBlue]

4. Go WISCONSIN on them!! n/t

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[The Backlash Cometh]

6. How did your thread make it on the Greatest Page and my didn't?

We're, essentially, talking about the same things.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1119084

[AlanCranston]

8. not all blue dogs are bad

while they may be fiscally moderate, many of them are still pro-choice.

[Taverner]

10. Like Stupak????

[sufrommich]

13. Stupak is as liberal as you're ever going to see in his district.

He was replaced by a republican and a teabagger at that.

[Taverner]

16. With "friends" like Stupak, you really don't need enemies

And if his district goes in that direction, maybe we need to engage in some shenanigans, you know what I mean?

In the end its all about GOTV. Liberals would rule this country with a recycled iron fist if we just got out the vote...and made sure other's didn't

[sufrommich]

18. You obviously know nothing about his district.You can

"get out the vote" all you want up in the U.P. and you would still find Stupak the most liberal democrat you could run. Your calls for dirty tricks sound trollish at best.

[Taverner]

20. Who said we need to let the conservatives vote?

We need to play the same game the GOP is

You don't ask for it - you TAKE it

[sufrommich]

21. Are you saying that the only way to elect liberal democrats is

throw the election?

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[sufrommich]

27. A ridiculous argument. Sorry I wasted my time. nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

74. Ummm....no. Not going to support any disenfranchisement, ever. Even of conservatives.

Reminds me of the people who say we need to torture people to "protect our freedom and democracy." If the means don't justify the ends, the ends simply aren't justified, period.

[SDuderstadt]

25. "Who said we need to let the conservatives vote?"

The Constitution.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

76. Exactly. nt

[dionysus]

73. so you want to see conservative dems homeless on the streets, and you want jim crow laws for

republicans.

i can just smell the "liberal" compassion and sense of justice!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

72. Stupak had a 96.1% Democratic voting record.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6969427

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/s001045/

The amount of hystrionics here and labeling him as a DINO was unwarranted IMHO.

[The Backlash Cometh]

12. My brother is a blue dog.

He will vote Democratically every time, except for the State races when he lived in New Jersey because of the corruption. Now he lives in Florida. I'm guessing he'll vote down the line.

[Enthusiast]

81. They suck, each and every one.

They are the reason we didn't get a decent health reform bill.

[dionysus]

100. i agree. but thinking we can just throw up liberal candidates in these areas and win in an

instant gratification mindset that does not work.

the republicans spent 30 years working from the ground up, from dogcatcher to school board, to city councils, all the way to the senate, shaping the minds of the red state voters.

just putting up a liberal candidate in areas where the very word liberal is an insult, isn't going to work.

we've been fighint a political battle in these states where it should have been an ideological one. you can't change the mindset of a state or region in one election cycle and have it stick.

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[SDuderstadt]

7. Yes...

our enemy is conservative Democrats and not the GOP. Gabby Giffords is a blue dog, dude.

Fucking unbelievable.

[sufrommich]

11. I know,replace them with liberals! In conservative districts!

Yeah, that'll work. :rofl:

[Taverner]

14. No we need to shape districts in our favor

In my opinion, and this is just me, but I would like to see a bunch of Conservative District votes just "disappear" the way the GOP makes our votes "disappear"

Fire with fire

[dionysus]

33. here's the thing, that's what we need to do. but you can't do it without years, maybe even decades

of groundwork. people like the OP think that the entire country is super liberal and you could run kucinich in oklahoma and win. they'd rather put up liberal candidates that'd get slaughtered in an election than to fight the ideological battle the repukes have been doing for the last 30 years. from school boards on up, they shaped the views of the electorate.

it'll take a lot of work and time to change the mindset of red state voters to be open to liberal candidates and ideas. the instant gratification folks just can't grasp that.

[sufrommich]

36. I totally agree. Change does not happen overnight,

it takes decades.

[Tesha]

90. The 2010 Republicans seem to be disproving this idea nationwide.

Change comes when elected officials work for change.

Blue Dogs aren't much into change.

Tesha

[SDuderstadt]

37. + 1 n/t

[DevonRex]

61. Best post in the entire thread right here ^^^^

[NNN0LHI]

17. Got rid of a lot of Blue Dogs and lost the House last election

How did that big move work out for you?

Don

[Taverner]

19. Better than we would have thought

The Republicans will eat their own, but they need help.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see both Stupak AND Bachmann penniless and dispossessed

[SDuderstadt]

22. "Don't get me wrong"

Well, MY irony meter just broke!

[dionysus]

69. the republicans are eating their own, so you want us to... eat our own. brilliant. just brilliant.

:rofl:

[Freddie Stubbs]

23. Perhaps Dennis Kucinich should move to a Blue Dog district and run against one of them

[Taverner]

26. Dennis Kucinich is a good reason why we need to get rid of Blue Dogs

After all it was Blue Dogs, not Republicans, who redistricted Ohio and "disappeared" his district

[Freddie Stubbs]

40. Can you name any Blue Dogs who redistricted OHIO?

[Freddie Stubbs]

107. Can anyone name one of the Blue Dogs who redistricted Ohio?

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[Romulox]

28. You're asking the wrong question.

It's THEIR party. The question really is, how do the "centrists" finally destroy the remnants of the Left?

[pintobean]

The party belongs to all of us

We need each other. "Eliminating" any segment ensures minority status. The OP doesn't seem to understand that.

[Taverner]

31. Um, the Bluedoggies declared war on us long ago

I believe their epithet for us was "McGoverniks," which painted us all as losers and communists

Their hate for us hasn't let up, yet we have to be all nice and kumbaya with them

yeah

right

[pintobean]

32. Get use to Nov. 2010 results.

[Taverner]

34. Weren't you the one petty enough to corrrect my grammar a while back? It's USED, not use

[pintobean]

44. I doubt it.

My grammar sucks.

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[DevonRex]

62. *snort*

:rofl:

[SDuderstadt]

67. DJ: "Next caller!".

Me: "I would like to dedicate 'Smoke gets in Your Eyes" to Taverner and ask for good thoughts so that he passes his drug test!".

[DevonRex]

82. I'd like you to play "Dazed and Confused" please.

;)

[pintobean]

84. Followed by "One Toke Over The Line"

[SDuderstadt]

85. LOL! n/t

[Romulox]

68. This subthread proves otherwise. A LOT of hate here. nt

[dionysus]

79. i think advocating jim crow laws for republicans and wishing blue dogs homelessness and poverty is

the epitome of hatred.

[Romulox]

86. lolwut?

[dionysus]

94. here;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1119624&mesg_id=1120029

"We need to find any and every method to put them and their families out on the street, just as they have done to so many American families so far
"

[DevonRex]

87. Sorry but the OP called a DUer a pedophile. That's hate.

[Romulox]

88. He was using a "when did you stop beating your wife" style argument

You're every bit as vicious as you accuse the other of being. :hi:

[dionysus]

96. now you're defending the posts where he claimed I raped children at knifepoint and called me a pedo?

classssy.

how "liberal" of you.

some people are starting to lose it. this type of shit should make people ashamed.

:hi:

[DevonRex]

101. I am stunned and so sorry that someone on DU said all those things to you. Several times.

That's the worst part - that he kept saying it long after the wife beating excuse could possibly have had any conceivable validity.

[dionysus]

102. thank you Miss Rex. i shall not let the rantings of the uncouth sour my demeanor.

;)

[DevonRex]

103. You make Wadsworth proud.

:hi:

[DevonRex]

99. I'm vicious for objecting to one DUer calling another a pedophile over and over again?

I don't give a flying fuck what excuse you make for him. It was wrong. It was disgusting. And it happened too often for any excuse to be
credible.

[Taverner]

30. That is the bluedoggie's goal

They probably hate us, the left, more than they do ANY republican

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[dionysus]

39. what an ugly thing to say. i abhor such ugliness. does this mean we're not friends anymore?

because if we weren't friends, i don't think that i could bear it.

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[dionysus]

43. actually, i'm laughing at you, so yes, it is rather fun.

:hi:

[pintobean]

45. Wow. That's such a great comment.

You should use it in an OP!

:sarcasm:

[DevonRex]

46. You think you can call people assholes here? Disgusting

[DevonRex]

48. Wrong spot

[sufrommich]

42. lol. nt

[DevonRex]

47. That's the most sickening thing I've ever read here. You need to apologize

and delete it. Seriously.

[dionysus]

50. actually he topped that, see here;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1119624#1120442

[DevonRex]

52. That was horrible. I

did my civic duty. Now it's gone thank the man in the sky.

[DevonRex]

53. It's gone.

[dionysus]

29. rather than working on promoting a liberal ideology in conservative areas you'd rather have less

democrats.

what a fucking brilliant way to reach a majority.

:rofl:

your focus should be on changing the mindsets of voters so you can elect a kucinich or a russ in a red, not focusing on how small you can make the democratic caucus.

i swear if you guys were in charge you'd manage to make the democratic party an unelectable fringe party within a week.

[DevonRex]

49. Some people think that's the point.

Of course I'm not saying I believe it...

[cali]

51. short answer: we can't.

sure you can primary them, but in many districts a liberal dem isn't going to win.

[brooklynite]

54. So, you'd like them to become Republicans then?

There's a reason the Republican's have been shrinking into an arch-conservative southern white male party.

There ARE moderates in the world. Absent a "Moderate Party", they can choose between Democrats and the Republicans.

You want to force them out of the Democratic Party, so they'll go the Republicans.

We'll have fewer votes, they'll have more.

(here's where you tell me "if we had 'real' liberal candidates, we'd attract more progressive voters"; the Republicans have been saying the same thing about conservative voters for years)

[DevonRex]

55. Plus, people who have recently switched from repub to Dem

are going to be rather conservative for a while. As time passes they'll become more liberal. We certainly don't want to destroy them. We want to educate them and welcome them

[mmonk]

77. There's nothing moderate about where this country is and has been heading.

The comparisons are also bad. There are no Republicans currently that would vote for anything resembling progressive or liberal but there are always enough Democrats that will vote for conservative ideology to the point it makes real or fundamental change impossible.

[Renew Deal]

56. Keep helping republicans win

And you'll get what you want.

[DevonRex]

58. +1. You got it. Nt

[tabbycat31]

57. Why fight within our own party

Look if you want to bring an incumbent Blue Dog down there's a time and place for it--- the primary.

But instead of focusing on destroying Blue Dogs, how about we focus on destroying Republicans?

[DevonRex]

59. Novel idea on DU: bring down Republicans instead of bringing down Democrats.

[mmonk]

63. You can always not vote for them or not contribute to their funding mechanisms.

[slackmaster]

64. "We welcome Democrats of all stripes"

At least some of us do.

[DevonRex]

65. Apparently DU is now all for "destroying" Democrats. Officially.

The post is still active so that's all I can surmise.

[Romulox]

70. Except that Left leaning Dems need to STFU.

Er, right? :shrug:

[mmonk]

71. Pretty much.

[slackmaster]

80. I don't want anyone to STFU

If you have something stupid to say, say it loud so everyone can hear it.

[LoZoccolo]

66. I had thought that you largely already had done that in the 2010 election, remember?

And now in 2012 there's supposed to be a big progressive onslaught in Congress where these blue dogs are replaced; let's see if that happens.

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[dionysus]

78. so you actively helped to bring down a democrat? you should be proud.

:eyes:

[DevonRex]

83. Amazing isn't it?

:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

89. Which blue dog was it? n/t

[Keith Bee]

92. UNREC!!!

"Destroy?" That's what Repukes do. We have to attack, attack, attack, BE AGGRESIVE IN OUR ARGUMENTS.

But "destroying" is just gonna contribute to the GOP-led dismantling of our Republic.

[DevonRex]

95. Excellent post. We also need to persuade them

to be more liberal by discussing the issues with them in a civil manner. After all, we have the facts on our side. I agree that we need to be more aggressive or passionate in our approach.

[Bucky]

98. "I hold here in my hand a list of no less than 50, or maybe 73, blue dogs lurking in our midst!"

"These blue dogs and their fellow travelers must be rooted out... like a cancer!"

[pintobean]

93. You appear to be

your own enemy today.

[Bucky]

97. First we have to form a circle, to keep Republicans out. Then face inward. Then open fire.

And... wallah! You've organized a Democratic firing squad!

[cbdo2007]

104. haha - we can't even beat the Repubes.

That's why we can't beat the "blue dogs" - they speak for a certain percentage of the population just like the Repubes do. You can't destroy them because there will always be different levels of Dem or Repube that cover the entire political spectrum.

[DCBob]

105. In so doing you would destroy the Dem party..

We need the Bludogs in purple states or we dont ever get a majority in the House or Seante.

[DevonRex]

106. Some people would like that. The Socialists, Greens and repukes for example.