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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:05 PM Original message |
“Rape isn’t something men do because they can’t get the sex they want. Rape is the sex they want.” |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. that is right on. i think that is the second one today for you. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. Profoundly true. Thank you for this. K&R n/t |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. Exactly. KnR. Nt |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. Absolutely... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. I would not quite go that far |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. No one said it was for ALL males |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Yes. Rape is how rapists get off. I don't think sex can be taken out |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. And from talking with experts, |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. That was a good thing you did. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
37. Dunno, but it seems to me that rape is the ultimate domination of a man over his victim. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Realize RARELY... as in extremely rare |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
60. In the absence of some kind of qualifier the words "men" and "they" refer to all adult males |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think it's all about power and not sex at all. n/t |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
7. I was originally going to object to this post |
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WillowTree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
49. It isn't about sex at all. It's about power. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
8. +1 |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
9. Very true. k&r. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
11. It is a nice line. I think that the data on falling rates of sexual assult |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. It may not be a cause-and-effect relationship. n/t |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. None the less we need to take note that all violent crime including rape has been falling |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. You cannot claim rape per se is declining if you include it in a larger group. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. many in law profession is arguing the rate of rape is falling. numbers are being fudge. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Well it is, thats just a fact. But don't listen to me see post 24. nt |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. no. it is not a fact. fbi says 30-75% of rape is not reported. they cannot even get a half way |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
64. Do you think the percentage that don't report varies widely each year? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 01:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
53. I'd assign at least part of the credit to the ageing of the population. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Thank you. Exactly right. Also, declining rape & increasing porn are both side effects of... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Do you have links to research results? |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Looks like I read about this on DU in fact |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. law professionals across the nation are arguing that. number fudged. here is another link |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. While I agree with her in the fact that police forces try to lower their numbers |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. three women standing on my porch. 3 rapes amongst them. one woman not raped, ever. none |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Where are your "falling" data? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. city after city is coming out those falling rates are false. that the nubers are being manipulated |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
58. I think those stats confirm it |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. except that is not happening and guys play this game of accepting this unconditionally at expense |
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dddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
16. With all due respect, other than the body parts being violated, I still maintain |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Can you suggest a better term then? Not snark, I'm genuinely interested.. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. +1000000000 I wish I could find more zeros, but would look silly |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. Thank you so much for this post.. n/t |
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Stargleamer (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. Of course it's not sex for her. . . |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
42. As a victim of rape, both when I was a child and once as a grown woman, I can |
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dddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. I'm so sorry this happened to you. |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 01:04 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Thanks. n/t |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
17. delete |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I'm male myself and only see it as a broad brush attack on rapists.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
31. Deleted message |
Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. To what, it was an unattributed quote? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
34. I'd always heard that rape is an act of violence, not sex. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
35. Rape isn't a sex act. It is an act of violence. |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
39. I think rape |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
40. in patriarchal society power is eroticized |
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chookie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
43. ? |
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LiberalLoner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I didn't see the post as applying to all men at all. Only to rapists. Most |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
44. Truth. Thanks for sharing the wisdom here. nt |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
46. Nearly always true |
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Rochester (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
51. Bullshit |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 01:24 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I guess that means you're not a rapist then.. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. I think you're offended for the wrong reason. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Thank goodness. So glad you said it. That's exactly what it means. |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
54. Some say rape isn't about sex, it's about power. I think it's about both. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
56. Rape is about exercising power and control through violence. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
59. Auto-Unrec for misandry |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. good point |
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