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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:02 AM Original message |
Christian Students Mock Atheist, Say Prayer at Graduation |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
1. Hopefully, god will remind Ms. Messy Lettuce to ask... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
75. Bwahaha! "Ms. Messy Lettuce"!!! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:52 AM Response to Reply #185 |
196. I'm a fat bastard myself, but I still gotta laugh at that. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #196 |
242. She's a god warrior! |
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Vehl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
2. Religious fundies are a problem everywhere |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. a prime example of what happens when you undermine the authority of schools, |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. So, you're recommending an even more authoritarian environment? |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:11 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. no. but there are ways to do things that do not need to undermine someone's authority. |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:33 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I want to be sure... |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I'm saying that in general you do not want to undermine the authority of someone like a teacher. |
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Vehl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
22. yes |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
43. Who says she was undermining the school authorities? |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
70. I think so too--and I'm a Christian. Prayers for graduation are for convocations, |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
80. Yep. |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
98. i'm going to bet you are right. and i think it is worse. because they are saying that it is ok |
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The Nexus (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
113. Apparently it happened at graduation |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
26. So when the entire audience broke into applause, they were ALL fundies? |
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Vehl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
42. If they Applauded? yes |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. They certainly put their own beliefs in Sky Daddy ahead of rule of law. n/t |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
140. Rule of law? How very authoritarian. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #140 |
182. Rule of law is how this country works |
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The Nexus (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #182 |
236. You have to prove the school was behind it. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
67. It's scary that a new crop are graduating...hopefully overall numbers keep going down |
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hugo_from_TN (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
76. She broke a law? |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
99. Not only that, she's the new Osama bin Laden |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #99 |
141. lol. AND CALL CONGRESS TOO! n/t |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:04 AM Response to Reply #99 |
143. Awww, are you being persecuted again? |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #143 |
220. Put up or shut up |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #220 |
229. You certainly can identify with losers. |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #229 |
231. So that's a no, you cannot back it up. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
119. +1 |
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ThatsMyBarack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
193. Well put! |
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Mrs. Ted Nancy (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
239. They always leave out the first part of the Lord's Prayer |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:24 AM Response to Reply #239 |
253. I wish more Christians would pay attention to that part. |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:13 AM Response to Original message |
3. Sorry, but all I can think of when I read that was |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:25 AM Response to Original message |
4. That pesky First Amendment - |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
27. Hmm, I guess it just didn't apply to any of the non-christians graduating that day, huh? |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. Of course it did! Their freedom of speech was not infringed - |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. I guess you are missing the part wher she was acting in an official capacity at an official function |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #55 |
202. And you apparently missed the part |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:31 AM Response to Reply #202 |
254. With the rest of the graduating class held captive audience to boot! |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. ...in a way that is illegal. |
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hugo_from_TN (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #57 |
77. Wow - you are very confused about constitutional rights. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
136. The ACLU seems to disagree. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
93. Establishment clause. Look it up. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #45 |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
46. The First Amendment applies here, but not in the way you think it does. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
184. Does the 1st Amendment allow teachers to teach creationism? |
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Tunkamerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 04:55 AM Response to Original message |
5. This is what you get when you type LAci Mattice into google: |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. they get very mad when people compare them to the other religious extremists. |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. While I don't agree with what she did, she didn't violate the law |
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xmas74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. That's correct. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Wrong. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I'm trying to imagine the appropriate response by the administration... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. The principal should have stood up and cut her off. |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
129. Sorry, but unless she's being paid by the school to speak, she is a free agent |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #129 |
237. Nope, she used school property (the microphone and speakers) to impose a prayer. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
31. That's not been officially established either way - but precedent would say she did. |
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Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
82. In this case, this student seems to have acted alone |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. Irrelevant. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #16 |
37. It's the school's microphone |
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Very_Boring_Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
130. Unless she is being paid by the school to speak, she's a free agent |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:22 AM Response to Reply #130 |
166. Please look up Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe. n/t |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:00 AM Response to Reply #130 |
186. Do you have a SCOTUS decision to back that up |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
62. Tase her. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. If this is compared to 9/11, I guess she can be shot in the face and dumped in the ocean, right? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. Get a grip is right. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #78 |
114. I'm referring to the rather odious graphic to which I thought you also responded negatively. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #114 |
152. Ah, I see it now. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
28. Ooooh, thats good! +1! |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
66. I think that's a very fucked up comparison. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
96. Yeah |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #96 |
115. Please. I would have been the atheist writing that letter. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #115 |
257. Right... |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
79. +10000000000 |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
94. Lol. That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen. |
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Mutley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
137. Please tell me you're not comparing some kid's graduation speech |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
8. Sorry Laci, Jesus said you should pray in private, not make a public show of it |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
11. That can't be true. It's Christians who are mocked and oppressed, not atheists. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. It's true. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. What I don't understand is why people feel compelled to pray publically. |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I think it coincides with the arrival of mega churches |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. In attempting to scare the hell out of me, |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Because faux christians believe if they pray harder, louder and more publically... |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #13 |
41. Uber-conservatives started taking over SBC in the 80's. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
51. because it's not about the prayer - it's about coercion |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
72. Presbyterian here--and I've wondered the same thing. |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
97. The thing is... |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #97 |
190. Tell us, please, what did the Japanese do to discourage them? It must have been pretty effective! |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #190 |
233. Yes it was very effective |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
50. you pegged it n/t |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
118. Not to mention how much he's inconveniencing them |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
21. Christian idiots trying to force feed their brand of stupid down everyone's throats. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
144. Also, they seem so insecure and in need of confirmation of their beliefs. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
23. Asshole fundy nuts, all of them! |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Ah, but don't forget the frantic attacks on Christians here on DU.. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Frenzied! |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
60. It's like a feeding frenzy |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
108. with lasers on our heads!!!! |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:08 AM Response to Reply #60 |
148. The word "god" written on DU acts like blood in the water |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. You know what I find funny about this statement? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Actually a U of Minn study found |
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justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Fist bump! nt |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
59. It's important to remember who the REAL victims are. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #59 |
207. How about |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #207 |
216. yeah, it works for me |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #216 |
224. Some of the posts |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #224 |
241. she was doing it as a fuck you to the one student who asked that his beliefs be respected |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #241 |
244. You are definitely not up to "The Onion"... |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #244 |
246. LOL. I didn't post the photo, genius |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #244 |
248. Remember, freedom of requires freedom from. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:15 AM Response to Reply #207 |
252. Right, fuck the 1st Amendment, what's really important is that a Christian was insulted, somewhere. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
64. At the same time trying to 'understand' the other religions. nt |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
73. I keep looking for them, dammit, but as of yet, I haven't found one. |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #73 |
95. Can you, or anyone, cite any Christian on DU claiming persecution? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. You think we're sucking up? |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #104 |
222. Who is we? I wasn't replying to you. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:43 AM Response to Reply #73 |
255. blondeatlast - I respect you |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
109. Awwww.... |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
25. God I wish you'd rapture these A * faster |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
32. Dear Baby Jesus, |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
65. There is no baby Jesus. He grew up. nt |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
100. Dear 6 pound 9 ounce Baby Jesus... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
33. Wow, how 'christian' of them... |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
36. Moments of silence cry out for a good fart! |
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Retrograde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
47. Some people think freedom of religion means |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
48. Damon, the ACLU and the FFRF need to sue the fuck out of the school and Laci. |
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Leontius (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
249. Better be careful what you wish for |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
49. In the previous thread that I started a week back... |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. yep |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
74. That was me--and thank you. It really is just that simple. nt |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
52. How very christian of them. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. me too |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. It's gotten much worse. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
103. I'm from Nashville - the home of the Southern Baptist Convention |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
56. Surely a "6 second delay" like call-in radio shows have would be the solution. |
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The Nexus (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
58. The law won't do anything. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
61. If the intolerant Atheists would just shut up and go away, there would be no 'problem'. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
69. I wonder if they can can suspend the student and delay the awarding of the diploma. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
86. the "civil disobedience" on the part of the student is supported by parents |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:57 AM Response to Reply #69 |
155. Puh-lease! Her actions were NOT civil disobedience. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
71. it's a shame - they not only ignore the request but how Jesus taught them to pray.... |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
87. So, what's Matthew 6:9? |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. This, then, is how you should pray: |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Ah. makes sense. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. I suspect not as long as it's been since many right-wing fundies have |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
81. If you don't want to participate then don't... |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. because the constitution is also just a piece of paper |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:01 AM Original message |
Who was coerced? |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #84 |
198. Who was coerced? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #81 |
110. it's about the separation of Church and State |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #110 |
117. Where exactly do we get the phrase "separation of church and state"? nt |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #117 |
123. Jefferson's Wall of Separation Letter |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Are you saying that it is from a letter, and is not in the constitution or |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. read and educate yourself |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #127 |
134. Oh, dear. It *is* from the letter, and is not in the constitution, and the |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:59 AM Response to Reply #134 |
156. Are you trying to convince YOURSELF? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:28 AM Response to Reply #134 |
168. Yeah, a letter. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #168 |
203. no shit.. |
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Leontius (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #168 |
250. Jefferson was not at the convention, he was in Paris . |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:15 AM Response to Reply #134 |
188. Not too bright. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #134 |
258. She is free to make a religious expression, just not with pubicly funded microphones/speaker system. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #81 |
111. Or, how about take the FUCKING PRAYER TO A CHURCH, WHERE IT BELONGS. |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #111 |
219. it actually belongs in a closet. according to Jesus in Matthew. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #81 |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #146 |
199. I understand the establishment clause, but thanks for your concern. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #199 |
206. AND not a government agent, NOR trying to 'establish' a religion. She might |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:22 AM Response to Reply #81 |
167. It was an official state function |
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1awake (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #167 |
201. exactly n/t |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #81 |
238. You can pray, just not with publicly funded equipment like the microphone or the speaker system. |
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Wait Wut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
83. So sad that none of the nonChristian students didn't stand up... |
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Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
85. I hope that Mr. Fowler does not feel mocked. What happened is an affirmation that he did the right.. |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
88. ACLU's letter to Bastrop HS |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
101. I'd expect this kind of behavior out of the Taliban, not this country. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Don't live in the Bible Belt, eh? |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #105 |
116. I live in So Cal. |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
102. The Taliborn-again need to dry up and blow away. |
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Raffi Ella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. AMEN. |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
107. You cannot mock an Atheist with a prayer ! |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
112. As usual, FZ got it right a long time ago |
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TNLib (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
120. I'm tired of these intolerant fundies walking all over everyone else |
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rgbecker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
121. Turns out Lord's prayer isn't Christian.... |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
122. Well I expected nothing less, is anyone really that surprised? |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
124. If the Supreme Court ruled in 1983 that an opening prayer in Congress |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #124 |
139. google, and other posts on this thread, are your friend |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:07 AM Response to Reply #139 |
165. You mean I could find the Marsh v. Chambers 1983 decision that says prayer is not 'establishment'? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:30 AM Response to Reply #165 |
169. Or you could look up the Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe decision. |
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Mr. Jefferson (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
126. "...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #126 |
135. Did someone stop her from going to church? No? |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #135 |
187. Was she trying to 'establish' a religion? No? |
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Mr. Jefferson (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:45 AM Response to Reply #135 |
194. She has (had) the right to freely express her beliefs. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:02 AM Response to Reply #126 |
157. You need to educate yourself before you embarrass yourself. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #157 |
195. Deleted message |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
128. Separation of Church and State |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
131. The atheists agnostics pagans and Jews Etcetera should have hummed or yelled... |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
132. She was told not to do it. |
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The Nexus (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #132 |
159. How? |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #159 |
228. However the school would normally punish someone in that circumstance. |
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The Nexus (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #228 |
234. Way way too late |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
133. Deleted message |
spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
138. there's a very simple way of looking at this |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #138 |
142. I can't imagine why anyone would be outraged |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:07 AM Response to Reply #142 |
160. Don't you get it? |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #138 |
210. Yes, down there they'd be offended |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #210 |
211. no, I don't "know" that |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #211 |
213. Not one person? |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
147. We laminate multiple, numbered copies of the graduation script. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
149. Boorish behavior, cheered on. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #149 |
150. Including those here who say 'well, nobody was forced to pray with her' |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:28 AM Response to Reply #150 |
151. Oddly enough, they seem to be same people who complain about anti-Christian remarks here at DU. |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:25 AM Response to Reply #151 |
154. There were people flat out lying about this student |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #151 |
209. ^THIS^ |
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KinMd (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
153. Lets see what the Bible says.. |
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The Nexus (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
158. To put it bluntly..... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #158 |
161. Fortunately, they can. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #161 |
212. Cracks me up... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #212 |
214. Do you really think its that simple? |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #214 |
215. Of course it is... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #215 |
225. Blatantly ignoring the law in order to further a religious cause is good grounds for a lawsuit. |
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The Nexus (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #225 |
235. Sue her for what? nt |
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The Nexus (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #161 |
223. Actually, she does have a point in "touching her" |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
162. Rude but I don't see how the establishment clause is violated by this. |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:15 AM Response to Reply #162 |
163. Does it change your view to know that the same student |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:52 AM Response to Reply #163 |
164. That would point to collusion between the student and administration. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:36 AM Response to Reply #162 |
170. Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:47 AM Response to Reply #170 |
171. Can you demonstrate a policy? The girl went against the policy of holding a moment of silence. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:49 AM Response to Reply #171 |
172. Did the school stop her? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:23 AM Response to Reply #172 |
173. Is it their job to stop her? If so, what measures does the law deem appropriate? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:33 AM Response to Reply #173 |
174. Glad to see you're serious. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:35 AM Response to Reply #174 |
175. Since you seem perfectly capable of putting the words in my mouth for me, you can feel free to... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:40 AM Response to Reply #175 |
178. Perhaps you could clearly explain how your position on this incident... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:36 AM Response to Reply #173 |
176. How long would it have taken them to shut her off if she had started a Satanist prayer? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:41 AM Response to Reply #176 |
179. And then they might have been in trouble, it turns out |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #179 |
183. You think it's really possible to have genuinely neutral and even handed behavior? |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #179 |
208. Three points: |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:52 AM Response to Reply #176 |
181. You mean you don't believe they would have |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #173 |
204. Of course it's their job, and it's easily done. What if a student rep. began swearing or |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:39 AM Response to Reply #172 |
177. Believe it. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #177 |
180. Yep, there are a disappointingly tiny number of Christians... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #180 |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #170 |
205. in case anyone can't find the simple wiki description, here's a link: |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #189 |
200. Why should the school get sued? n/t |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #200 |
247. Violation of the establishment clause. |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #247 |
251. The school didn't do anything wrong... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #251 |
256. They needed to stop it when it started |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
191. I find I must evoke Jon Stewart here. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
217. I don't see the connection |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. Oh ye of little faith. |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #217 |
227. She wanted everyone to SEE her pray. |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
221. why does God need so much public defending by mere mortals, anyway?? |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
226. What does an imaginary being have to do with a high school graduation? |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #226 |
260. gawd, Huh, what is it good for? absolutely nothin'...nt |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
230. They told us before we graduated |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #230 |
232. Does the administration consider what she did inappropriate? |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #232 |
245. It doesn't matter |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
240. REBELS!!! seriously when will Christians ever get a break in this country? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
243. I would have broken into a chorus of "Love for Sale." |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
259. The school should be fined.nt |
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