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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 04:52 AM Original message |
In Libya, the RELENTLESS LOGIC OF WAR: Stopping the Killing is NOT AN OPTION |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. Rec. n/t |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. As I had done already. |
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al bupp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 06:50 AM Response to Original message |
3. Ask the people in Misrata if it seems like a stalemate... |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 07:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Kill all of the other side in a civil war -- and then you have peace. GREAT |
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al bupp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 07:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I suppose the side being shelled w/ cluster bombs should have simply surrendered? |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Actually, there are usually MORE reasons to go to war than to not go to war. |
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al bupp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. The operative word in your statement is "almost" |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Some points: |
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al bupp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Some responses... |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. #5 is very much to the point and, imo, inarguable. |
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al bupp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I would NATO is doing precisely this |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. This was 1-2 thousand militants according to reporter who got on the ground -- |
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al bupp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I'm sorry but this is utter BS, sir |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
27. No analyst I have read claims Libya meets criteria for "just war" |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. There is such a thing as a negotiated settlement of differences. But let's pretend therre isn't. |
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al bupp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. For the people of Misrata it wasn't about dignity |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Standard pro-war arguments and Godwin, the whole package. |
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al bupp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. It is easy to critisize, but how about a constructive proposal instead? |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. I'm sure Qadafi was open to negotiation |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Over 40 years the Gaddafi regime engaged in many good negotiations with factions and tribes |
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al bupp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I think those "negotiations" amounted to mafia-style bribery and arm-twisting |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Noticed that Libya was never on the list of countries the use TORTURE, as were many US allies |
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al bupp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Did you actually check before making the citation? |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Bingo! |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Chilling. nt |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Have you seen a picture of Benghazi in 60's? Benghazi florished for past 3 decades |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Benghazi before and after Gaddafi -- most westernern observers are just ignorant of the past |
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