How is what Hannity's doing NOT treason?

[maxrandb]

Caught about 5 minutes of the "cringe inducing" Sean Insanity radio show today. The entire segment I heard was dedicated to tearing down America and highlighting that the Israeli Prime Minister espouses the "correct" foreign policy. Hannity favors a foreign country at the expense of, and to "seriously injure" the sovereign nation of the United States of America. In addition, he bragged that when he interviewed "Bibi" on his television show, he could tell that "Bibi" didn't want to "go there", so he didn't push him to dump on Obama". That's a direct quote, BTW.

Here's the definition of Treason"

Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "......citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the ." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavor.

Outside legal spheres, the word "traitor" may also be used to describe a person who betrays (or is accused of betraying) their own nation.

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Now, I am opposed to torture, but I might make an exception to see Hannity Waterboarded.

[onenote]

1. because oran's dictionary of the law isn't the US Constitution

Article III, Section 3:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

[hyphenate]

6. We need to remember, too

that the Founding Fathers themselves were traitors--to the Crown. To the future US, they were revolutionalists, but if they were caught, they would likely have been thrown in prison in England.

Strangely enough, Benedict Arnold would have been treated as a hero in England. It all depends on your point of view.

As far as Hannity, he's the same as all the other idiots who work at Fox. Their method is simple--rile the people up and get discussions going--even if they get dissenters, they get ratings.

We also can't forget the First Amandment--they have the same right we have to speak up on any issue they please as Freedom of Speech. What we might consider horrible and nasty things is likely their opinion, as most of us spent the years Bush was in the white house bitching and moaning about the horrors that admin. was enacting, many of us likely have been charged with treason in that sense as well. ;)

[Angry Dragon]

2. His buddy bush says torture is okay so hannity is fair game

[tritsofme]

3. You do realize of course, that treason has a very specific definition in the United States?

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

Israel is not an enemy but an ally, and disagreement is not war. What a silly post.

[RandomThoughts]

4. Needs another component.

What is the country, the ideals and how most of its people feel, or what a few say it is, who defines what the 'nation is' from that then you can decide who is treasonous.

Also why enemies within or from outside is in a statement many make.

Once you decide that, you understand Reagan's statement One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.


It depends on what you think upholding the values of a nation are.


It is why some of the corporate state call progressives terrorist, and why many that want to change the government can be fighting for freedom from ideas of security state.



Note that is about far more then what Ideas you like, but also what ideas are sustainable and best for society. And what you have to do to get those ideas implemented.

The security state requires the use of deception and secrecy, becuase it goes against the basic humanity that is in most people, and how people know it is right to have self rule and to be free. Why transparency and light leverages the powers of most people.


Bonnie Raitt - I Can't Make You Love Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo

Bonnie Raitt - Nick of Time
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[Ron Green]

5. Hannity is a clown and nothing but a clown.

He believes his own bullshit, thinks he's a pundit or something.

[LadyHawkAZ]

7. Not treason, but what he and the rest at Faux are up to

really ought to qualify as sedition (or seditious conspiracy). Now if only someone would prosecute.

[onenote]

10. No, it really shouldn't

Criminalizing dissent is about as bad an idea as there can be.

[LadyHawkAZ]

11. Dissent is a different thing. Open calls for violent rebellion

and assassination are NOT dissent and shouldn't be treated as free speech.

[onenote]

13. Those of us who marched against the Vietnam War

carrying signs referencing revolution probably would disagree.

[LadyHawkAZ]

17. That's a point

but a call to revolution by itself isn't violent. I tend to think there's a huge important difference between that and calling for our leaders to "suck on my machine gun" or "don't retreat, reload" or calling for "second amendment remedies" if people don't vote for you or placing crosshairs on Democratic districts or speaking of putting poison in their wine etc ad nauseum. Maybe it's just me.

[Nye Bevan]

8. Many DUers have stated that Canada's foreign policies are better than those of the US,

thereby favoring a foreign country over their own. Are these DUers also guilty of treason?

[maxrandb]

12. I think that's different

than inviting the Canadian Prime Minister to "dump" on our President. Don't you?

[Dreamer Tatum]

16. Some DUers cheered when Chavez called Bush a devil at the UN

How about that?

[pinboy3niner]

9. It's not, and further criminalizing speech is a very BAD idea

If you criminalize Hannity's speech, under another administration they'll be rounding up half of DUers as traitors.

The goal is to permit dissent, not to criminalize and suppress it.

[Dreamer Tatum]

14. By your standard, many Dem congresspeople should be behind bars.

Silly post.

[Fuzz]

15. Right-wingers have been posting for a week now how they would rather have Bibi as their

President and that he is the real leader of the free world, not Obama.

[B Calm]

18. K&R