Rethugs want to SEIZE four decades of medicare contributions from those 54 years of age...

[hlthe2b]

This is a point that only Tweety has brought up to date, but it needs to be driven home. How many hundreds of thousands of individuals 54 or 53 or 50 years of age who have undoubtedly had money taken from their paychecks for nearly 40 years realize that the proposal would be to simply seize their money and leave them hanging?

I don't care how old you are. How the hell can one rationalize our country doing this to its own people? Stealing from its own people? :mad:

[malaise]

1. That is the key point

They want to steal people's deductions.

[brooklynite]

2. Yay! Tax Cuts!

[al_liberal]

3. The theft has already occurred.

Every penny that SS and medicare have collected has already been spent by the government. The rethugs just don't want to pay any of that money back. They'd rather it all disappear, be wiped from the books as money owed.

[girl gone mad]

28. Of course it was spent. Why wouldn't it have been?

It would make absolutely no sense for our government to "save up" its own fiat currency, which is something they can create in unlimited quantity at any time.

[Hannah Bell]

4. kr

[southernyankeebelle]

5. Let me tell you am 63 yrs old. I will be eligable in 2 yrs. But it is a hollow thing for me. You

see it isn't fair that the younger people are getting screwed. The only solution for ALL OF US is a single payer plan. Plain and simple. I can sit here and say I got my own but am not a republican. I had to laugh my husband who is 56 said they discussed this issue at work. He said some of these people are teabagger and they weren't to happy about the Ryan plan. They didn't know he was 56. He threw there comments right back at them and said "oh well I got mine and I don't have to worry". Then someone said well your under 55. He said no he wasn't.

[socialist_n_TN]

6. Yet if some of us talk about expropriating so called

"private property" from the capitalist for the benefit of the general populace, we get raked over the coals for it and told we have to pay "fair market value" or some such bullshit.

So I guess it's fine for the capitalists to take from the people, but not vice versa.

[spooky3]

7. It is wrong that anyone should face bankruptcy due to medical bills

so any plan that continues to allow this possibility is immoral, in addition to everything else that is wrong about it.

I don't care if you're 54 or 84 or 24 or 4. It's just wrong.

[hlthe2b]

8. totally agree

But those in their late 40s and 50s are facing the multiple whammy's of age discrimination for those unemployed, potential loss of earning potential for any job they do happen to get, disproportionate loss of their retirement funds during multiple recessions. To have the government seize their contributions with very little opportunity for them to earn back any kind of retirement fund and when many have lost houses through unemployment-foreclosures or at a minimum the money they put into it with drastically dropping worth, they are--as a group-- absolutely among the most vulnerable segments of society.

[shraby]

9. What about the Social Security recipients right now that

have a medicare insurance payment taken out of their social security check every month?

[RagAss]

10. Yes they do...but they don't have a shit's chance of getting this passed !

[hlthe2b]

11. No, but they still gain if DEMS start compromising to reduce deficit...

See this article from Michael Tomaskey
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-23/paul-ryan-plan-short-term-loss-long-term-gain-for-the-gop/?cid=bsa:moreauthor1
The Democrats think they have the Republicans right where they want them for the upcoming vote in the Senate on Rep. Paul Ryan's plan for Medicare. But as Michael Tomasky notes, the GOP is focused on winning the long game.

more at link

[Jefferson23]

12. Someone want to to tell me how the Republican's unrelenting efforts

are not worse than the mob??

[AndyTiedye]

19. After the Repigs Shut Everything Down With the Debt Ceiling…

…and the economy goes into a tailspin, EVERYTHING will be on the table.

[Safetykitten]

13. Oh silly! This will NEVER, ever, ever, ever happen. That's the betting line here.

[hlthe2b]

15. Presumed sarcasm aside.. Read Tomaskey's article...

linked here:
The Democrats think they have the Republicans right where they want them for the upcoming vote in the Senate on Rep. Paul Ryan's plan for Medicare. But as Michael Tomasky notes, the GOP is focused on winning the long game.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-23/paul-ryan-plan-short-term-loss-long-term-gain-for-the-gop/?cid=bsa:moreauthor1

Rachel Maddow had a clip of Bill Clinton unknowingly overheard telling Paul Ryan that he was essentially right on medicare and that he hoped the win in NY26 didn't stop discussion. I say essentially because it wasn't clear to what extent he was willing to go. He did tell Ryan to call him if he wanted to discuss. :puke:

[dkf]

16. The health care system makes medicare impossible to keep as is

That is all Bill Clinton is referring to.

It has to be addressed eventually.

[hlthe2b]

17. Perhaps... but few progressives feel comfortable seeing Bill

cozy up to Ryan like that and suggesting the DEM position to be wrong.

[dkf]

18. If the Dem position is that things are fine as is in perpetuity then it is wrong.

Anyone who has looked at the numbers knows this.

[hlthe2b]

20. I dare say no one here believes we don't need to means test...

implement cost saving measures, eliminate the cap for ss deductions. I predict that NO one (or few) here feel otherwise. However, that is quite different from negotiating from the RW "privatize" medicare and SS POV. If you believe in the latter then I think you are definitely in the wrong place. I certainly would hope that not to be the case.

[Mimosa]

25. Watched the Clinton Ryan video several times: Bill not on our side

I think it was obvious Bill is not on our side.

Many of us have thought -with sound reasons- that Bill Clinton was basically a Republican. NAFTA, anybody? DOMA? Shall I go on?

How did the video get recorded? Were the mikes very good and very near?

[InkAddict]

14. Double/triple jeopardy for some as some states have familial responsibility

laws on the books -(apparently, these laws are not currently often enforced); however, watch out if you are an only child and cannot "share" in the costs re: elderly parents that have had their own misfortunes w/this Great GOP Recession. Furthermore, don't even consider assisting with college costs for your children. They cannot be discharged by bankruptcy and SS can be attached by the Feds whether or not those entitlement programs have been stolen or used as blackmail for the next GOP agenda of destruction. Unfortunately, just saying no will make you feel like a complete heel and family members could take you to court or even to prison for non-compliance and or default.

[jillan]

21. I'm 54. I got my first job when I was 16. I never once complained about the gov't taking money out

of my paycheck for social security or medicare. Getting it back one day was something I believed I could count on.

How these repukes could think this is okay is beyond comprehension.

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[MineralMan]

23. Screw that!

Ageism is just as ugly as racism.

[mod mom]

24. It's not "the boomers" but greedy pukes wanting to take away medicare so the rich

can keep even more of their obscene wealth.

[indepat]

26. You can do this if you are an un-American political whore, slut, fiend, or the like

:patriot:

[glinda]

27. So much theft and so few arrests.