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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 09:02 PM
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Right-Wing Hate Idiocy
Some time ago I got myself onto a mailing list for right-wing hate mongers. In that capacity I receive frequently e-mails from such luminaries as Ann Coulter and Newt Gingrich. One can learn a lot about the radical right-wing mind-set and strategies through such correspondence. It often makes me wonder how so many can be so gullible as to fall for their nonsense. Their lies are often so transparent as to require only the most minimal checking to reveal them as lies. Yet they maintain an audience.

Take for example the e-mail I received today asking me to “Start the Day the Way Top Conservatives Do” by signing up for a free copy of the RedState Morning Briefing. Their message to me starts out:

Do you know where conservative talk-radio hosts get many of their daily talking points? Or where leading conservative politicians like Senator Marco Rubio get a head start on the issues of the day?

Answer: from a daily email known as RedState Morning Briefing.

And no wonder. Proudly conservative and oh-so-politically-incorrect {i.e. racist}, RedState Morning Briefing is a snapshot of the news and opinion that the mainstream liberal media ignores or distorts. That's why top talk-radio hosts and conservative leaders find it simply indispensable.

Yeah, no wonder they’re able to stay so much on point and all say the same thing. Like a herd of sheep, they have no need to conduct any research or investigation, and they never have anything original to say. They merely receive daily talking points and obediently parrot them back to their audiences.

Today’s advertisement contained the titles (but no links) to four articles, with the introduction “Here’s a sampling of what you can expect to find”. One of the four titles was “Paul Krugman Calls for Assassination of Paul Ryan”.

Oh my God! Normally I don’t waste my time checking out such claims, but this one seemed irresistible. I decided to give them a chance by trying to see what truth if any I could find in the assertion about Krugman calling for Ryan’s assassination. So I googled “Krugman Calls for Assassination”, and ten articles popped up on the page, all with the same title: “Paul Krugman Calls for Assassination of Paul Ryan”.


“Paul Krugman Calls for Assassination of Paul Ryan”

I clicked on the first article on the page. The article, apparently based on RedState co-founder Josh Trevino’s observations, was very brief, and except for the title, made no mention whatsoever of Krugman calling for an assassination of anyone, nor did it even mention Paul Ryan’s name, except in the last sentence of the article, which merely repeated the assertion in the title. It did reference and link to two articles written by Krugman, however. The first article, titled “Climate of Hate”, was one in which Krugman complained that right-wing eliminationist rhetoric contributed to the climate of hate in which Gabrielle Giffords was shot and almost killed. With the aim of ridiculing that article, the article quoted from Krugman’s “Climate of Hate”:

It’s true that the shooter in Arizona appears to have been mentally troubled. But that doesn’t mean that his act can or should be treated as an isolated event, having nothing to do with the national climate.

It then continues, “Yes, Krugman claimed, without any appreciable sense of shame, that a man who was seriously mentally ill was merely a symptom of – no kidding – ‘toxic rhetoric’”. I guess that the point was that if a person is mentally ill they can’t be incited by toxic rhetoric to commit violence. The fact is, however, that notwithstanding the cute use of biting sarcasm, mentally ill people are especially vulnerable to being incited to violence by hate mongers.

The article’s final point is that Krugman had just come out with an article titled “Let’s Not Be Civil”. Get it? Krugman complains about right-wing hate mongering, and then just three months later he writes an article titled “Let’s Not Be Civil”. Therefore he’s a hypocrite, and worse yet, as Trevino concludes from the two Krugman articles: “According to Paul Krugman, Paul Krugman has just called for the assassination of Paul Ryan”.

So let’s look at the two Krugman articles that Trevino links to (which are actually both quite excellent) to see if we can discover how Krugman is calling for the assassination of Paul Ryan.


“Climate of Hate” – by Paul Krugman

In “Climate of Hate”, Krugman makes several specific points regarding right-wing hate rhetoric and its potential to incite violence. Speaking of hatred generated at McCain-Palin rallies, Krugman notes:

The Department of Homeland Security reached the same conclusion: in April 2009 an internal report warned that right-wing extremism was on the rise, with a growing potential for violence.

Krugman then gives some examples to make his point. Noting that there is a big difference between mere insults and incitement to violence or eliminationist rhetoric, Krugman goes on to clarify that difference with regard to right-wing vs. Democratic rhetoric, with some specific examples:

It’s hard to imagine a Democratic member of Congress urging constituents to be “armed and dangerous” without being ostracized; but Representative Michele Bachmann, who did just that, is a rising star in the G.O.P.

And there’s a huge contrast in the media. Listen to Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann, and you’ll hear a lot of caustic remarks and mockery aimed at Republicans. But you won’t hear jokes about shooting government officials or beheading a journalist at The Washington Post. Listen to Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly, and you will….

Citizens of other democracies may marvel at the American psyche, at the way efforts by mildly liberal presidents to expand health coverage are met with cries of tyranny and talk of armed resistance. Still, that’s what happens whenever a Democrat occupies the White House… The purveyors of hate have been treated with respect, even deference, by the G.O.P. establishment.

I think that’s pretty clear. So how does Krugman’s “Let’s Not Be Civil” square with his criticism of right-wing hate and violence mongering?


“Let’s Not Be Civil” – by Paul Krugman

Krugman’s main theme in “Let’s Not Be Civil” is a call to avoid the kind of hypocritical “bipartisanism” that in reality is an excuse for caving in to radical right-wing demands. Referring to recent radical right-wing budget proposals, Krugman says of “bipartisanism”:

Sorry to be cynical, but right now “bipartisan” is usually code for assembling some conservative Democrats and ultraconservative Republicans – all of them with close ties to the wealthy, and many who are wealthy themselves – and having them proclaim that low taxes on high incomes and drastic cuts in social insurance are the only possible solution.

He then explains why that kind of “bipartisanism” is a bad idea and concludes with:

So let’s not be civil. Instead, let’s have a frank discussion of our differences. In particular, if Democrats believe that Republicans are talking cruel nonsense, they should say so – and take their case to the voters.


How gullible do you have to be to fall for this kind of nonsense?

So there you have it. Daily right-wing dissemination of articles for “top conservatives” –and their devout followers – with titles like “Paul Krugman Calls for Assassination of Paul Ryan”, founded upon virtually nothing at all. How many right-wing devotees of Ann Coulter, Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, or Glen Beck, mentally ill or not, read titles like that and believe them without a moment’s thought? How much work would it take to ascertain that such articles are nothing but worthless crap? Yet they keep on writing and disseminating this stuff, roiling up hatred, because there are so many millions that eat it up.

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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 11:09 PM
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1. K&R
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 11:40 PM
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2. k/r to read later n/t
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 03:45 AM
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3. The people that read these things don't bother with fact checking
In their world, "Rush done said so" is all the proof they need.

From "The Authoritarianism of Right Wing Radio" by Guy Reel:

(George) Lakoff says the conservative way of thinking is more of the "strict father" mode while liberal thinking is more like the "nurturant mother." The strict father tells us what's good for us and we'd better obey. The father is the last word. That's why talk radio works so well for the right-wing worldview. The father preaches to the children, and they follow blindly, with devotion, while sputtering frothy, childish contempt for anyone who disagrees.


Who creates these briefings in the first place?
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 03:51 AM
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4. I can tell you one way they can occur.
Find something someone said before, use it in your article, then comment when the person says it again.


Or find the patter of what they will say on a topic, then by knowing what they say, try to show it as from another source, not from what they wrote years ago, that they still believe.


Then take that to the next level, 100 people could have said the same thing over many years, but then when that situation is headline news, they all say the same thing again.

And you think it is coordination of talking points, when it can be that many people think the same things, and have thought on the same topics to the same conclusions.

Because honestly if you think enough on most topics, you reach the same conclusions as many other people that have many thoughts like you.



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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 10:29 AM
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7. Bob Altemeyer also has a lot of interesting things to say about the relationship
Edited on Thu May-26-11 10:29 AM by Time for change
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 04:16 AM
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5. I wrote a little rant before saying that it's never about the quality of the message
Because, Right Wing messages are ALWAYS nothing more than piss-poor lies… With them, it's strictly about the message.

Any attempts to get the rank and file to agree with us that those messages are nothing more than utter bullshit will be meant with apoplectic bleating from the hordes. The Winger opinion conjurers know that all they have to do is tell any lie about any people that their supposed to hate and it will be eaten up with glee. Facts and figures, compassion and civility won't work when you're doing your best to counter the Right Wing Lie Factory.

As I said, what has to be done is a campaign to discredit the messenger. The Opinionati don't give a fuck about the Rank and File. As a matter of fact, make damn sure to reinforce that this latest attempt to discard Medicare threatens THEM personally, and their so-called winger heroes are all calling for it.

Once they get the message that their considered as more than scum by the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh et al, they should start to figure out that they've been had.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 07:24 AM
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6. All true -- and yet there is hope
Here is a response to the article from a Free Republic poster, which I really like:

I read the article, then clicked on the Krugman article and read the whole, dreary mess twice. There was no call for an assassination of Ryan or even anything remotely like that. What an immense waste of time. I never want to see a headline like that again.

On the other hand, maybe s/he's a troll, as suggested by the fact that there are no spelling or grammar mistakes in that post, not to mention the clear thinking expressed in its content.


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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 11:08 AM
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8. Isn't this libel? couldn't Krugman sue?
This is actionable. Especially since it's violent rhetoric.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 12:28 PM
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9. My guess is yes, but I'm no legal expert
He would have an especially solid case if he actually received threats based on the article. My understanding is that he would have to show some damage to himself (or his family) in order to receive compensation.
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NICO9000 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 12:49 PM
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10. I clicked on the link to see if the title of the story had been changed
It wasn't (natch), but there were two display ads for a Michelle Bachmann "money bomb" request. I'll be sure to remit my 0000000000.1 cent to her immediately.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 03:22 PM
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11. I've never
googled anything and got 10 hits on the same title on the first page.

That article is being spread everywhere. I wonder what they hope to gain by this -- maybe it's main purpose is to warn Krugman and others like him to tone down their criticism of right wingers.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 02:04 AM
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17. Any time I've tried to find info about the right-wing talking point du jour....
I ONLY get hits which lead to the same original article or blog post.

They know how to make shit viral, that's for sure. And I do mean shit.

:eyes:

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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 03:45 PM
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21. Then you haven't tried the latest
Dog Pee Can't Stop Santorum

More than 5,000 hits.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 03:49 PM
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12. They practice
Machiavellian principles. They get poorly informed dupes who are on the low end of the pay scale to vote against their own best interests. Appealing to the worst fears and lowest instincts has been how they've operated since 1964. Pox News gives them a platform and megaphone with bells and whistles designed to distract and distort.
They are America's real enemies within.
The information chain starts with Rove, then to Drudge, then to Rash, then to Pox, and this lends enough credence and plausibility for the rest of the corporate stooges to run with it. Any way you color it, it's propaganda, and Joseph Goebbels' students are well disciplined.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 06:07 PM
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13. Yes -- Maybe their Medicare fiasco will help
the poorly informed dupes to wake up.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 06:38 PM
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14. Some will cling to their old fears
and continue to bite themselves in the ass. Pox and the hate radio propaganda mills have done an effective job of conditioning these unwitting dupes.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 10:48 PM
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15. ...
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kimsarah Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 01:56 AM
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16. I always wondered
how those robots got on the same page, with the same talking points -- and even the same terminology -- so quickly. So who is delivering this shit to RedState to disseminate?
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 06:00 AM
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18. I asked the same question in post #3 above
Nobody answered (well, nobody answered intelligibly, anyway), but my guess would be either GOP headquarters or some Koch-funded thinktank.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 09:56 AM
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19. Recommended. As Harry Truman said
"When a fellow tells me he's bipartisan, I know he's going to vote against me."

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/editorials/10-truest-things-harry-truman-said-about-republicans

thanks to mwb970 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x604839

I hope more and more Democratic legislators will fight back.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 10:09 AM
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20. I'm glad you read those so we don't have to! LOL
Love your avatar btw.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 03:51 PM
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22. I wish I could threaten violence
I wish I could issue death threats to the Koch Bros, to the rich of this countries

I would love to send them boxes with a knife, fork and plate, glued to the bottom of the box, and a small mirror on the plate: "Guess who's for dinner?"

But I can't

In fact, this post will in all likelihood be deleted for merely talking about it

Meanwhile, the Reich Wing and the Rich get to threaten violence, and even carry it out - with nothing so much as a slap on the wrist.

Want to see violent hate speech? Threats made, names named? Look at Free Republic

Fuck being the good guys - Castro had it right
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