If Bill O'reilly had called Nancy Pelosi a slut, there would be calls on DU

[Very_Boring_Name]

for him to be fired. What Ed said was 100% wrong, and he got exactly what he deserved.

[w4rma]

1. And Bill O'Reilly would not have been suspeded. He would have issued a non-apology and that would

have been the end of it on the mainstream media.

[Jackpine Radical]

52. Here is the precise wording he would have used:

"I called Nancy a slut, and I'm deeply sorry if she was offended by what I said."

[blondeatlast]

96. Yup. nt

[Skittles]

2. he should have said right wing whore

[Old and In the Way]

6. Is the word "whore" OK to use?

Is it better or worse than slut?

I'm not sure anymore...I think we need an unapproved words list so we don't offend anyone's sensibilities here.

[whathehell]

34. No....

Unless, perhaps, you are actually talking about

someone who is selling sexual favors for money

which is essentially what that term means.

Forget the "unapproved words list" bs

that's just another way of whining about

being "too politically correct" and

no one on the left seems to have a "problem"

with being "too pc"... UNTIL

it concerns women....I have never

seen anyone here complain about

not being able to call Michael Steele

or another Black Conservative

a "nigger" or Latin Conservatives

"spics"...and, of course, I shouldn't.

Point: Gender Slurs are like Racial Slurs -- You don't "earn" them

you're BORN to them.

I don't know why I should have to explain to

supposed "progressives" that insulting a person

for a condition of BIRTH is hurtful, unfair

and immoral.

[KittyWampus]

45. Nonsense, a Media whore is whore. And the word "whore" is appropriate when someone sells their

integrity. It is not a "gender slur".

[whathehell]

53. Nonsense yourself.....I've never heard Ed call a man a "media whore" or a whore of any kind

and frankly, you can't call a female talker on the Right

such things without opening that door to the

same accusations about Lefty talkers, like Rachel Maddow,

for instance....They get paid too,

and while we believe that act primarily

out of integrity, the other side believes the same of

their talkers.

This kind of stuff leaves all the women

of the Left -- Rachel, Katrina, Joan Walsh, etc.

open to that same ugly "slut" "whore" treatment

too and I don't think we want to go there.

[Erose999]

54. "Whore" and "slut" are not necessarily indicative of gender. There are certainly male prostitutes,

and there are certainly a lot of promiscuous men.

[whathehell]

56. Well, you could probably say the same of some other derogatory terms

like "nigger" for instance, but the instances in

which it does NOT refer to the "original" target

are so few, it's hardly worth mentioning,

much less "defending" such a term when it IS

used against the original target, in this case, women.

[pipi_k]

63. Really?

Is that sort of like saying that the word "Ni**er" isn't indicative of race?


Like, when someone uses the words "slut" or "whore", the first mental image you get is one of a MAN?


please.

[whathehell]

71. Thank you....

Those here mightily holding on to their "right"

to use gender slurs are having a difficult time,

it seems.:eyes:

[TheKentuckian]

94. Nigger is a fucking description of black people. It is strictly used to dehumanize as part of

institutional racism.

There is a such thing as a whore and it applies equally to those who sell themselves. There are also such things as sluts, they give themselves away because they want to. Further, if you consider slut a negative, that is your baggage. I think nothing less or more of such folks, know some and love some and am one myself but am committed so I don't act as one, similar to when a bisexual person commits to a person and doesn't act on their nature.

[whathehell]

100. Oh, I love the righteous fervor, lol

when you're talking about black people, at least...Guess you never heard

of "institutional sexism"?..You didn't know, for instance,

that Affirmative Action is an attempt to redress Racism and Sexism?

"Further, if you consider slut a negative, that is your baggage"

Um..No..It's a male dominated society's "baggage" for which women largely pay.

"I think nothing less or more of such folks, know some and love some and am one myself but am committed so I don't act as one, similar to when a bisexual person commits to a person and doesn't act on their nature".

That's real nice of you, but the fact is, we're not talking about "you" -- We're talking about society at large, and sorry,

but the larger society DOES think of "sluts" as women almost exclusively, and no, it does NOT view the term in a positive, or even

"value free" manner.

Get Real.

[pipi_k]

117. Fine...

Let me know when you call any female member of your family a whore or slut.

Got a female boss? Call her either one of those names.


I'd bet they would have the same "baggage" I do.


Anyway, go ahead and do it, then let me know how it worked out for ya.

[bobbolink]

61. Any wording that insults women is not only OK, but preferred. Its also fine to slap us around a bit

[Bucky]

103. It's not misogyny when we do it.

Sounds familiar....

[whathehell]

109. Bingo!

[Skittles]

98. I use the term "repuke whore" all the time

to men and women as it applies

[emilyg]

12. Anything derogotary towards women

is not ok.

[Hannah Bell]

21. is calling one woman a name derogatory to women as a class? maybe that's the part i don't see.

is "whore" specific to women? don't think i agree there either. calling reagan a "whore for GE" sounds ok, not non-english.

and it seems to me i've heard men dissed something like this: "he's such a slut." it doesn't sound particularly "off" to me.

[whathehell]

72. I've heard whites using the N-word toward other whites..

Does that make it "okay"

to use on blacks?


Men are sometimes dissed as "sluts" or "whores"

but how often, compared to females?


No..It doesn't work.

[Hannah Bell]

88. if you mean your analogy doesn't work, you're right.

my question was if calling one woman a whore was an attack on females generally.

in the case of the n-word, it is a disparaging term for a black person, and as such it directly references all black people.

the n-word is like saying, you, black person, are black (and black people are lesser beings).

the equivalent would be: you, woman, are a woman (and women are lesser beings).

not: you, woman, are a prostitute (and prostitutes are lesser beings).

i can't think of a disparing words for women that directly references all women.

[whathehell]

89. My argument goes to the practice of calling any woman you dislike for any reason a "slut" or "whore"

regardless of how they behave sexually, which is what Ed Schultz did.

While we may dislike any number of right wing women

we could hardly find evidence that they "were selling it"

When you say you "can't think of a 'disparing' (?)

words for women that directly references all women"

I assume you mean "disparaging" and I would have to

point out words like "bitch" and "cunt".

As to minorities calling themselves the same names

their oppressors coin for them,

I'd say it's generally a question, at least at the outset,

of self-hatred, and I feel the same way about women who denigrate

themselves and each other with those slurs.

[Hannah Bell]

90. then your post was not made in response to my questions, but to your own.

yes, i meant disparaging.

i'm kind of on the fence about "bitch" and "c--t". though they directly reference the female, so do "dick" and "prick" directly reference the male.

yet do "dick" and "prick" cast asperion on all males? i don't think so -- i think they cast aspersion on dickish/prickish ones, i.e. males who behave stupidly/annoyingly/harmfully.

so how are "bitch" & "c--t" different? it seems to me that they reference women who behave harmfully/harshly as well. they don't reference the entire class of women anymore than dick/prick do.

the n-word is not a word used to disparage black people who behave badly. it's a word used to say "you are black, black is bad". it references the class, not a subset of the class.

i said nothing at all about minorities calling themselves names, i think. i think i said something about whether gendered terms of abuse are strictly gendered.

i.e. can a man be called a "whore" or "slut" -- not just by another man, but by a woman?

i think they can without misunderstanding or any sense of non-grammaticality.

in fact, i called schwarzenegger a slut only this morning.

[whathehell]

131. Whatever...

"i'm kind of on the fence about "bitch" and "c--t". though they directly reference the female, so do "dick" and "prick" directly reference the male.
yet do "dick" and "prick" cast asperion on all males? i don't think so -- i think they cast aspersion on dickish/prickish ones, i.e. males who behave stupidly/annoyingly/harmfully....so how are "bitch" & "c--t" different? it seems to me that they reference women who behave harmfully/harshly as well. they don't reference the entire class of women anymore than dick/prick do".


If men and women were politically, physically, and socially "equal" they would not be. The fact is that they are not and I believe most progressives realize and accept that fact.

The situation of the words "cunt" vs. "prick" is like the differing impact of the words "honky" and "nigger" on a white and black person, respectively.....If someone calls me, a white person, a honky, I'd have a hard time arguing that this is just as "offensive" as my calling a black person a "nigger".

These things have to be viewed from the larger perspective.

[Hannah Bell]

135. you're behind the times. it's not 1960 anymore. men's incomes at the 50th

percentile and lower are less (inflation-adjusted) than they were in the 70s. young women make more than men.

the only reason anyone can even say "men make more than women" with a straight face is 1) time off for child-rearing and 2) salaries at the high end.

according to a new analysis of 2,000 communities by a market research company, in 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young women are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html


working class men, particularly black men, underearn their female counterparts. fact.

yeah, things have to be viewed from a larger perspective, and that perspective is that men's employment picture has been declining since the 70s for all but the top 20-25% of men.

and the even larger context is: working class women tend to make more than their men -- but working class wages as a whole are also down since the 70s.

and that's why these obsessions with sexist language tend to be the purview of upper-class women. it makes me laugh to hear women talking about male privilege blah blah blah as if it were still 1959 and we were all in the kitchen with june cleaver.

[whathehell]

139. Umm...No. Not unless most of the women on this thread are as well, lol

On the other hand, we're also not all committed marxists whose "larger perspective"

is one of strict economics, as your narrow analysis would have it, either.


"and that's why these obsessions with sexist language tend to be the purview of upper-class women".

Absolute nonsense...Unless, of course, you think most black women are "upper class",

that possibility explaining why people like Russell Simmons, that "running dog" of the upper class, lol,

calls the b-word "misogynistic" and called for a voluntary ban on it in music and other media venues.


http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/russell-simmons-bleep-bitch-ho-and-ngger_b4871


Your complete dismissal of anything outside your narrow ideology has resulted in my having to "dismiss" you

Buh bye.:hi:

[Hannah Bell]

140. speaking of "complete dismissal...."

black women outearn black men except at the very top. black men's ue rate is currently around 25%. of what does their male privilege consist?

[a la izquierda]

37. Anything derogatory towards men shouldn't be either.

[Skittles]

99. I've called plenty of men "repuke whore"

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[Zoeisright]

3. You mean like when that asshole said Pelosi should be waterboarded?

And he wasn't punished for it, and didn't apologize?

Christ.

[Very_Boring_Name]

15. I don't think you're quite getting it

Bill has said plenty of vile shit over the years, and DUers have been (rightfully) outraged each time. But when a left wing radio host says something sexist and vile, people around here rush to defend him. This is exactly why this country is so fucked up, there's a double standard on BOTH sides. Outrage is determined not by what is said, but by who is the one who said it.

[Dorian Gray]

26. Sadly

that is true.

(Which is why I rarely find myself outraged about anything. It's all a bunch of BS.)

[pipi_k]

51. Tell you what...

If any RW personality had called a Democrat-friendly woman a "whore" or "slut" or "bitch" or the C-word, we would have seen such outrage here that would have lasted an entire week, if not more.

The hypocrisy stinks to High Heaven, and people make excuses for it.


The hypocrisy makes us all look stupid.


I think you're exactly right in saying that there's a double standard on both sides. The big problem with it on this side is that we are supposed to be "smarter" than the other side.

[scheming daemons]

4. The difference is that O'Reilly would NOT have apologized, and would NOT have been suspended

That's the difference.

[Hannah Bell]

16. +100.

[Very_Boring_Name]

19. You're spinning so fast you're making me dizzy

So let me see if I can follow your logic. It's ok that Ed called a woman a slut, because he was suspended for it (but really, he shouldn't have been suspended at all). It's not ok if a right winger calls a woman a slut, because they won't be suspended for it (but really, they should be suspended/fired). Do I have this right?

[nonperson]

35. You were dizzy already

And no, you don't have it right.

One group is permitted to do and say anything they please without fear of repercussion. Hell, they laugh at the very suggestion they've done anything wrong then go on the attack!

The other group is forced to apologize then they're suspended, fired, and ultimately black listed.

Which group always wins?

[pipi_k]

57. That's not the point...

Whether someone is "forced" to apologize or not.

The point is that it's a common occurrence here for people to excuse the words and actions of people they agree with as long as those words/actions were directed toward the hated "Other Side".

Those same words used by a RW person against someone on this side are grounds for war.

And there always seem to be excuses as to why it's OK.


The people who have a problem with that are troubled by the hypocrisy on display HERE.

[nonperson]

78. Fight fire with fire

Compromise doesn't seem to be working all that well.

[pipi_k]

83. I don't call it compromise...

I call it being the better person.

You know...the adult in the room.


anything other than that is just a bunch of jungle monkeys screeching and throwing their own feces at another bunch of jungle monkeys.

[nonperson]

86. Well it's a good thing you don't call it compromise

Because in case you haven't noticed it hasn't been compromise. It's been capitulation.

They've been throwing all the feces and you've been catching it. But you're the adult in the room ... covered in shit and getting nothing in return.

[pipi_k]

122. Hah...I don't think so...

I don't catch any of the shit.

I don't even engage them in the fight.


See, it's a lot like being in a snowball fight, dear. In order to hit someone with a snowball you have to come up over the snow fort and throw your own snowball. And while you're doing that, somebody else with quicker hands and better aim has your face targeted for his next throw.

You don't escape getting hit as long as you're still in the fight.


I don't personally enjoy snowball (or feces) fights, but some people do. So keep throwing those monkeyshits with the other side...

:+

[Name removed]

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[pipi_k]

133. Yeah, OK...I get it....

I'm a stinky old poopy head doody breath and you won the argument, nyah nyah.


My entire day is ruined now.


:+

[Erose999]

55. He would have issued a back-handed apology that just doubled down on the insult. And added some

gibberish about how he "respectfully disagrees" with the person he insulted and his words were taken out of context.

[polmaven]

114. And I think

that difference speaks well to who we want to be. We do NOT want to sink to their level.

[Blue_In_AK]

5. Just because the right-wing broadcasters are assholes

doesn't mean ours have to be. I agree with you. Liberal talkers should be better than that.

[rsmith6621]

7. Billo Is A VILE S. O. B

[lonestarnot]

8. That prick may as well have on many ofuckingccasions.

[LooseWilly]

9. Nancy Pelosi is not a fellow radio talk host... false equivalency.

Pick a liberal woman talk show host... and try again.

At that point... it feels like it sort of goes with the territory and would've just been an example of very poor taste. I doubt it would've led to a suspension.

Bill O' doesn't have the stones to volunteer for such a punishment, especially the without pay part.

[Very_Boring_Name]

14. Completely irrelevant.

The occupation of the woman has absolutely nothing to do with it, but just to satisfy your irrational attempt to spin this, let's use Stephanie Miller instead of pelosi.

[whathehell]

128. More honesty...I like it!

Isn't it amazing how many "progressives" here will fight

to hold on to their ugly, misogynist "prerogatives"?:puke:

[Dorian Gray]

27. Okay...

let's say he called Rachel Maddow a Slut. How would that play?

[The Doctor.]

10. How was it 'wrong'?

[Name removed]

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[truedelphi]

11. But the thing is, if Bill O'reilly wanted to, he could say

"Let's put a bull's eye on Ms Pelosi, and do some target practice," and nothing at all would happen to him.

I don't like what Ed said, but the other side says far far worse.

[emilyg]

13. You don't know that.

[hifiguy]

68. Exactly

Remember, folks, Coultergeist loudly opined a few years back that it would be a wonderful thing if a couple of SCOTUS justices were poisoned. I can't recall the reichwingers calling for her to "apologize."

This is a tempest in a teapot.

[Hannah Bell]

18. actually, there is a real life example and you're wrong. wait, i'll find it.

[Very_Boring_Name]

20. There's an example of a right winger calling someone a slut, and nobody on DU called for

their suspension/termination? OK, I'm waiting to see this one.

[Hannah Bell]

22. yeah, i actually misread what you wrote. and i don't know what people at du said

when beck called sheehan a "tragedy slut".

and for some reason, du won't let me search.

all i know is that after complaints he changed to calling her a "tragedy pimp".

and personally, i think "pimp" is a lot nastier word than "slut".

[Johnny Morales]

23. So Everyone on the DU is a hypocrite according to you

It's odd so many don't get the basis of your statement.

They think you are actually talking about O'Rielly Etc.

This is a feeble, unthinking attempt to call out what you see as the hypocrisy of ALL DU'ers.

Sort of funny is the silence of the people who left comments - as if they aren't part of the DU.

You made NO EXCEPTIONS.

What you said was an ugly, gross generalization that insults every DU'er.

YOU are also wrong. There are examples of Right Wing hosts demonizing Liberal politicians all the time.

Slut is hardly a serious word, considering that in the late 70's Dan Akroyd got huge laughs for calling Jane Curtain "an ignorant slut" on Saturday Night Live.

The potency of the word lies in what you make of it.

It's a silly, stupid word that can or cannot be a grave insult.

It's all in context.

Whoever says it, the basis for outrage is puritanical, and tied to the notion that sex is dirty and nasty.

Accepting that helps keep the notion that women who have lots of sex and aren't ashamed of it are "sluts." Men on the other hand doing the same thing are usually called studs. Yes the media tries to heap shame on men like that, but it doesn't work. Tiger is still playing golf, and while he suffered a slap in the face from our tabloid media, in general considering the scope of his behavior he suffered not at all.

[Very_Boring_Name]

24. No, only those defending use of the word "slut"

[ProfessorGAC]

28. Pompous Moralizing

You've made your point. Others here disagree. That doesn't make you better, although it's obvious you think that's the case.

[whathehell]

32. Sour grapes?

A few were (and, I believe, still are)

a little "slow" getting the point

and now you're pissed because her "point"

is clearly valid.

Bigger Point: Gender slurs in politics

are no more excusable than racial slurs.

Both are unfair,

"off the mark"

and highly offensive.

[hifiguy]

74. +1

This!

[whathehell]

44. I'm sorry, but this is a gender slur aimed at women, both in this

case and in virtually all others.

That being the case, I'm afraid that as a male,

you're not in the position

to "decide" if or when it is a slur

As to the Dan Akroyd/SNL reference, a lot's changed

in the three and a half decades since that skit ran.

With respect to it, though, I must have been "before my time"

because I NEVER found it funny and never understood

why anyone else did.:shrug:

[Erose999]

60. "Slut" does not necessarily mean "female". It just means promiscuous. There are man-sluts too.

[whathehell]

64. Maybe, but when's the last time you heard a man in the media called a "slut"?

The comparative infrequency really renders that point moot.

As I said in another post, I've heard white's called "nigger"

too, but the comparative rareness of its use renders it unacceptable,

especially toward a black person.

You, and a few othes here should probably ask yourselves

if you're "attachment" to this slur

is worth the hurt it causes so many people.

[pipi_k]

73. Just like...

the word "Ni**er" doesn't really apply to blacks.

And the word, "Fa**ot* doesn't really apply to gays.

and the word, "Retard" doesn't really apply to developmentally disabled people.

And the word "Prick" doesn't really apply to a man.

And of course, men run around calling each other "C**ts" all the time.


:eyes:

[Bucky]

105. If you have to say "man-slut" as a counterpoint to "slut", then no, men aren't sluts

Men are studs. Women are sluts. The word isn't even a dogwhistle attack on women. It's just plain old bad manners.

[polmaven]

115. From "Dictionary.com":

slut   /slʌt/ Show Spelled
Show IPA

–noun
1. a dirty, slovenly woman.
2. an immoral or dissolute woman; prostitute.

Please point out where it says anything about a man.

[TorchTheWitch]

138. women are called sluts to degenerate women - men are called sluts as a complement

Hardly the same thing.

The word "slut" is almost always used against a woman to not only degenerate her but ALL women just like any other group biased slur is.

And not a sole here isn't aware of it. It's being excused in this instance because it was used by a "left" man we like against a "right" woman we don't. DU hypocrisy at its finest... even when it's grossly insulting to all the women here and all women everywhere.

The word "slut" is a gender biased slur that degenerates women just as the words "bitch", "cunt", "whore", etc.... and that's hardly news to anyone here.

[The Wizard]

25. Ed is employed by MSNBC (Comcast)

DU does not sign his paycheck. DU has no compensatory power over Ed Shultz. False equivalence.

[whathehell]

41. Weak point.

[leftynyc]

29. Whoa - I missed this

I was at the hospital all day with my dad (he's fine, he had symptoms of a stroke but it turns out it was probably a flare up of his MS). Without looking it up, Ed, called someone a slut and was suspended? I don't like the word and it should never be used to describe anyone and frankly, it shows one of the differences between MSNBC and faux - they police their own and punish outrageous speech - faux would give somebody a raise.

[whathehell]

43. You are correct and I am sorry that some

are a bit slow in "getting it",

but attacks against race and/or gender

are unacceptable, and glaringly so when what

one finds deplorable (and yes, I find Ingraham deplorable)

are unrelated to their respective race or gender...Why is

that so hard to understand?

[whathehell]

30. I agree, The fact is, women have entered the world of politics in numbers

near that of men.

Men are going to have to start speaking

of them and TO them in the same

manner as they do men,

and that means without gender slurs.

[LaydeeBug]

33. While O'Reilly = Shultz, Pelosi > Ingraham, and you know it. nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. You're actually comparing Laura Ingraham to Nancy Pelosi?!

[totodeinhere]

38. The point is they are both women and using a term like that to describe any woman is unacceptable.

n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. Still not a good comparison

[whathehell]

40. In that they are both viewed as political "enemies", it is a good comparison.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

42. Pelosi isn't a "talk slut", Ingraham is. So is Glenn Beck, Rush, Coulter, O'Reilly.....

Although I would have preferred Ed to call her a "talk whore" as she's paid well to spew hate and ignorance.

[whathehell]

49. Let's face it....When is the last time you heard a man called a "slut"?

Sorry, but "whore" and "slut" are both gender slurs aimed

almost exclusively at women.

I wouldn't like hearing Rachel Maddow called a "talk slut" or "whore" and

I don't think you would either.


Time to Evolve, people....Slurs which target Conditions of Birth

be that Gender or Race are patently unfair and

patently unacceptable.

They are also, IMO,

kind of stupidly "off the mark".

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

77. I never use the word slut but I have used the word whore here for men and women

who whore themselves out.

[whathehell]

81. Yes, but there's no evidence she is "whoring herself out"...As much as her opinions may repulse us

she's probably "believes" in them

as much as "our" talkers believe in theirs.

Even if not, there is simply no way to

prove otherwise...The left's talkers

get paid just as the Right's does

and I don't think we want to "open

the door" to having our women on

the Left denigrated like this..I certainly

don't.

[snooper2]

80. usually what I've heard over the years is man-whore...

Like an old buddy I used to hang out with at the pool hall. He'd take anything home, and did :P


Laura's probably not a slut, but she sure as hell is one fucking pendejo :)

[whathehell]

82. Cute...

What's "pendejo"?

Now let me guess -- Whore in Spanish?.:eyes:


For the adults in the room, I think

the lesson to be learned here is this:

Avoid "sexualizing" your slurs and avoid it like

hell if you are talking about a woman

since they ARE the traditional "targets"

of this shit.

It's ugly, it's unfair

and it's hardly worth losing your

job or your credibility over.

[snooper2]

85. no, you guessed wrong..

pendejo
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1 English
1.1 Etymology
1.2 Noun
1.2.1 Usage notes
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2.1 Etymology
2.2 Noun
2.3 Noun
2.3.1 Related terms
2.3.2 See also
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English EtymologyFrom Spanish

Nounpendejo (plural pendejos)

(slang, pejorative) A stupid person; a dumbass; creep.
Usage notesTypically only used in English by Spanish-speaking people.


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Spanish EtymologyLatin pectiniculus

Nounpendejo m. (plural pendejos)

A pubic hair
Nounpendejo m. (feminine pendeja, masculine plural pendejos, feminine plural pendejas)

(pejorative) stupid person, dumbass, creep.
(Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Uruguay) young boy.
(Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Uruguay) punk (an adolescent who presumes to be an adult).
(Cuba) coward.
Related termspendejada
pendejear
See alsoboludo m.
gilipollas m. and f.
tonto

[whathehell]

87. Awww....My bad.

[LynneSin]

46. And just because Fox News would probably not do anything about it..

does mean Ed should get a free pass.

Fox News ratings are going down because people are tired of the angry rantings of their primetime shows. We need to show we are above that type of Journalism.

I saw some of the apology that Ed Schultz made, he seemed sincerely remorseful and respected the decision to be suspended. I'm sure he'll be back in a week and a better person thru all of this.

[karynnj]

47. Wouldn't a better analog be Rachel Maddow?

Pelosi is the Democratic Minority leader in the House.

[whathehell]

58. Yes, it would....but it works either way...It's basicly slurring women AS women for

things that have nothing to do with gender, e.g. political views.

It's like calling Michael Steele or other Black conservatives

"niggers", or Latino Cons like Florida's Rubio "spics"


All are ugly and stupidly "off the mark".


These gender slurs are SO ingrained, in men,

and even in some women (as you can see in this thread)

that people are, to varying degrees having difficulty

in getting past them and seeing how damaging

and ridiculously "off" they really are.

[karynnj]

65. I completely understand that - and think no woman should be called that

I don't think any of these words are appropriate for anyone.

I do think that people like Nancy Pelosi also deserve the respect that should be given their office. Respect is due everyone, but there is a bigger offense attacking someone in Pelosi's position than one of the many TV/radio talk show hosts.

[whathehell]

69. Well, that may be

but to me it's a rather fine distinction.

Everybody (myself included) attacked Bush and he was president.

There are any number of RW senators that I consider fools.

I think the real issue here is the one of gender slurs.

You may think that it's worse to call Pelosi a "slut"

and maybe it is, but I would probably be just

as livid were someone to aim that at Rachel Maddow,

for instance.

It's simply an ugly term that's not worth using.

[Renew Deal]

48. I remember the dust up about someone calling Cindy Sheehan an "attention whore."

That was a problem for a lot of people at the time. This is actually worse.

[Township75]

50. You are correct, despite those whining about it.

.

[DefenseLawyer]

59. I'm sure you're right.

Some people get very, very bent out of shape by name-calling. As for me, sticks and stones may break my bones, but rich people on tv calling each other names doesn't phase me.

[pipi_k]

62. So I read through most of the replies, and...

I just have one suggestion for the people who think the words "slut" and "whore" aren't wrong, and there's nothing wrong with calling a woman those names...


I'd like to follow them around for one day as they call every woman they meet those names.

Women bosses. Nuns. Their kids' teachers. Sisters. Moms. Wives. Daughters.


"Hey, whore!!! Pass the beans, please!"

"So, slut...how is my child doing in third grade?"


Bet nobody does it, though.

Because those names are NOT nice, and there IS something wrong with using them to, or against, a woman.

People can't say they're OK to use against women they dislike/hate if they're not willing to use them against women they like or love.

[whathehell]

127. Thank you....Some intellectual honesty, for a change.

Screw the mysogynists and their "progressive" apolgists.

[Snoutport]

66. Beck threatened to poison Pelosi and nothing happened

DRINK THE POISON DRINK THE POISON!!!

[Very_Boring_Name]

76. Whether anything happened or didn't happen is beside the point

The amount of DUers who selectively defend or attack vile comments depending on whether the speaker is left wing or right wing, that's the point.

[Fleshdancer]

67. I agree. Plus there are so many legitimate ways to insult Ingram.

So what Ed said was both wrong and incredibly lazy and it cheapens the original point he was trying to make in the first place. There's is no point, no benefit, of going there.

[whathehell]

70. Excellent point. n/t

[Tom Rinaldo]

75. He did get what he deserved. The difference between Schultz and O'Reilly

...is that Ed knows that he deserves it. What he got was an indefiite suspension without pay: and Schultz deserved that. He does not deserve to be fired because, among other reasons, he gave about the most clear cut painful humble apology for his error that I have ever seen given by any public figure. He earned another chance, but his punishment is absolutely appropriate.

I do not live my life by right wing standards and values.

[JVS]

79. Placing O'Reilly and Schultz in the same league is fair, but it's a real disservice to Pelosi to...

put her in the same position as the talking lump of dog smegma that is Laura Ingraham.

[Lucian]

84. Ed was just saying it like it is.

It wasn't the best word to use, but if he did use a different word it would've meant the same damn thing.

[whathehell]

124. Ed was talking out his ass

and he deserved what he got.

Different words have different meanings.

Slut has a specific meaning, It's not just

a "catch all" for a female you don't like.:eyes:

[Modern_Matthew]

91. I wouldn't. I find it to be petty and people offended by such things are absolute bores. nt

[pipi_k]

93. funny!!!

A man who isn't offended by the word "slut".


That's OK. I don't feel any pain when men get kicked in the balls.

In fact, I find the men who do feel pain rather...boring.

[whathehell]

111. Yes, it's often perceived that way by those unlikely to be the recipeint of such slurs, lol

I find such people to be insensitive dolts.:evilgrin:

[Obamanaut]

92. If he had replaced the 'u' with an asterisk in his speech, it would have been

fine. Everyone knows it's ok to print/type sh*t, f*ck, etc. - if only there were a way to do this verbally, what a fine world it would be.

[whathehell]

113. I don't think so...

It's not a question of "obscenity" like the "f-word", etc.

It's a question of attacking a woman with a gender slur.

Example: Calling Michael Steele a "n*gger" on the air,

however one would do that verbally, would not be "okay".

[donheld]

95. He got it 50% wrong. She's a whore not a slut.

She does it for the money.

[whathehell]

101. You got it 100% wrong

You can't prove she "does it for the money".

Talkers from BOTH sides of the political spectrum get paid

and you can't "prove" that one but not the other does it

only "for the money"....Get it?

Lose the sexual insults

they're brainless and likely to lead

to women on the left being

denigrated with them as well.

[donheld]

102. Bullshit

[whathehell]

107. Bullshit yourself

if that's your "best effort", lol.


Buh bye.:hi:

[NorthCarolina]

97. Maybe some here on DU would call for him to be fired, but it's a safe bet he wouldn't be.

On another note, it is interesting how strong the animus towards Liberal and Progressive voices has become here on DU of late.

[Maru Kitteh]

106. That's not the point. Intellectual honesty and integrity is the point.

It's not like calling for the head of any particular media or political figure has ever been particularly meaningful in the real world.

[whathehell]

108. I don't think anyone here wants to see him fired...

The only animus being expressed here is toward

gender slurs...Those are NOT "liberal and Progressive".

[Maru Kitteh]

104. I absolutely agree. n/t

[mmonk]

110. Nancy Pelosi is a hateful speaking talk show host?

[whathehell]

112. No, but Rachel Maddow could be perceived as such....

Do we want her to be called such things?

The "bad analogy" argument has been duly addressed.

[mmonk]

119. Neither is Rachel for that matter.

[whathehell]

120. You're splitting hairs.

[mmonk]

132. Which hairs?

[whathehell]

134. Duh....

[WatsonT]

116. What good are standards if they can't be selectively applied based on your personal preferences

[Bluebear]

118. You bitch a lot about DU.

[whathehell]

121. A lot of us "bitch" about a lot of things, including you.

I doubt that's you're real issue with the post.:eyes:

[fascisthunter]

123. I've Noticed that Too

not sure why or if this is an issue.

[Very_Boring_Name]

136. I bitch a lot about hypocrisy. Unlike many here, I'm not wiling to turn a blind eye just because

our side is doing it.

[Bluebear]

143. "Unlike many here" - yes, you're wonderful.

[saras]

125. If you're going to criticize someone's word choice, offer a better one

Otherwise you are just trying to shame them, which, at best, drags you down to their level.

So what is the APPROPRIATE word for someone who sucks up to people who behave like dominant primates (that is, sides with the biggest bully in a situation) indiscriminately, for short-term gain, and is willing or even pleased to betray others for this purpose?

And what's the appropriate word for someone who doesn't just have a lot of sex (in fact, they may not even need to have much sex) but consistently exhibits HORRIBLE taste in selecting sexual partners (i.e. they select abusive ones, set them against each other for amusement, will sleep with anyone if it promises to screw over some third party)?

[whathehell]

126. Tell it to MSNBC..

but the "better one" in regard to word choice would be whatever you would normally call a MALE

with these characteristics, and no, it's not likely to be "slut"....Let's stop playing games.:eyes:

[pipi_k]

129. Two ideas...

1. Brown-noser. Gender neutral


2. What business is it of anyone how much sex a consenting adult has with other consenting adults? None. Therefore no alternative word is necessary.

[hughee99]

137. I completely agree. n/t

[quiller4]

141. True but Nancy Pelosi has not spent years on the radio talking

about her sex life and her copious consumption of alcohol. I'm not saying that Ed was wise to say what he said but he did not lie.

[cherokeeprogressive]

142. DU called for Imus' firing for using the term "nappy-headed ho's".

I guess it's just a matter of who uses what derogatory term to describe who that determines the level of DU outrage.

Sad, that.