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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:15 PM
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I've a question regarding Ed Schultz
Edited on Thu May-26-11 01:41 PM by Lone_Star_Dem
I've seen all kinds of sensational headlines. I'll post a few examples below:

"MSNBC's Ed Schultz Off Air Indefinitely After Calling Radio Host Laura Ingraham a 'Slut'"

"MSNBC Suspends Ed Schultz for Calling Laura Ingraham a 'Right-Wing Slut'"

"Ed Schultz Suspended for Laura Ingraham Slur"


Which all seem to make it sound like he's "going down" for his language.


I've also read the statement by MSNBC:


MSNBC management met with Ed Schultz this afternoon and accepted his offer to take one week of unpaid leave for the remarks he made yesterday on his radio program. Ed will address these remarks on his show tonight, and immediately following begin his leave. Remarks of this nature are unacceptable and will not be tolerated.


This implies Ed chose his own punishment for the language he used. If he did so, along with the excellent apology he gave, why are some still upset over his suspension?

We're not Republicans. We don't condone misogynistic language and attitudes the way they do. It stands to reason we would expect an apology and punishment if someone who speaks to/for us were to use misogynistic language.

The language was offensive. He apologized and took a one week suspension w/o pay. I accept his apology and find the suspension term he offered to be an acceptable reprimand for his infraction. As far as I'm concerned it's a closed case.

So, what am I missing? Why are so many people still upset over his suspension?
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:18 PM
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1. Because we are at "war," and of course the best and most mature way
to wage "war" is to call people names.

That's pretty much it.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:23 PM
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3. lol
excellent way to state it :thumbsup:
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:43 PM
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8. But the issue is the name called.
And "slut" has been used, not just historically but by RW pols very recently, to try to disempower women. Ed seems to realize this, and DID make an excellent apology for it.

And his apology and suspension is a wonderful contrast to the whining, insincere apologies of RW media blatherers and to the RW media's stonewalling, followed occasionally by suspension or firing caused by public outrage.

Let the rightwingers continue to complain -- in the context of Ed's apology and suspension, they will look like the douchebags they are.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:22 PM
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:24 PM
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4. I have no idea. He made a mistake, he handled it like a grown up.
:shrug:
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:39 PM
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7. That's how I'm seeing it.
I'm satisfied with the resolution and understand why it had to be handled the way it was. He did good.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:29 PM
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5. Ed made a REAL apology,
It was genuine an nonevasive. None of that "I'm sorry if I offended anyone" crap mealy mouth cop out crap. Ed said he brought shame on himself, that he teaches his own kids to do better, that there is no excuse for what he did and that the only way he can ask anyone to judge how seriously he is sorry is by watching his behavior in the future - he pledged never to use that word in commentary again.

I respect Ed Schultz for that apology. It was an apology he needed to give and he gave it without a hint of equivication. If he thinks his behavior warrents a serious rebuke, and is so willing to own up to that, why should any of us take the seriousness of his mistake less seriously than he did.

Ed owned up, good on him. I look forward to his return.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:31 PM
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6. Making mistakes like this one is an occupational hazard
when you talk for a living. He handled it very well unlike the slime on the other side.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:48 PM
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9. Good question. Seems like it was handled correctly. Ed apologized & took leave. He wasn't beheaded.
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:52 PM
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10. I watched his apology, and it really seemed totally sincere to me. And....
.....I have very sensitive antennae for fakery. I also found out it was on his radio show that he made this mistake. I've heard much worse on some radio - but I guess because he also works for NBC that he's more accountable than some.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:57 PM
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11. One shouldn't have to apologize for telling the truth!
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:06 PM
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13. He apologized because he offended people in his base of followers
It's not about her being a vile talking pile of Republican regurgitation. No one is arguing that fact. Its that he made a mistake and offended people who support him, so he apologized.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:12 PM
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kelly1mm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 07:12 PM
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29. Are you saying Laura Ingram is a slut? nt
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:57 PM
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12. I'm not upset...
I think the whole thing is bullshit.

Aside from the eternally and professionally offended, who live in a state of perpetual high dudgeon, it's the sort of thing to talk about when you can't think of anything better to talk about.



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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:10 PM
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14. It's a bad day for free speach when you get unpaid suspension for using an adjective that jay leno
and the golden girls have used on air numerous times.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:13 PM
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16. True.
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liberalnationalist Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:24 PM
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18. I so agree
'we' meaning some on the left are really too politically correct these days.

ED should have never appoligized..some in this country are way to sensitive
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:49 PM
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23. Do Leno and The Golden Girls speak to/for the Left?
Were they offending core a part of their followers?

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:17 PM
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17. NOT that it's okay, but . . . . as if no one ever does that??? ES is a target because some folks
fear his popular influence. He's a legitimate counter to Rush Limbaugh, so he is feared.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:35 PM
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19. because he ain't coming back.
They're shoehorning Michael Steele into his timeslot.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:40 PM
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22. God, no......
Edited on Thu May-26-11 02:41 PM by ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Once again, kowtowing to the far right has claimed another victim.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:38 PM
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20. i agree. was unprofessinal. he apologized. she accepted (and that doesnt matter)
Edited on Thu May-26-11 02:38 PM by seabeyond
it is done.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:57 PM
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25. I think she only accepted after positive press on his apology started coming out
At first she was scornful if I recall correctly. Then her snarky twitter post kept being attached to media coverage about his apology. It was making her look like the vile talking pile of Republican regurgitation she is.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 03:01 PM
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26. as i said, i really dont care about the woman. not really about her. ed had class and i
appreciate him even more.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:39 PM
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21. Because FAUX News broadcasts things far worse, stated as fact every night
And no one is even questioning it.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:53 PM
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24. Then question what they say. Protest it. Scream from a rooftop.
Do something about it if it offends you. Personally, I just don't watch them so I never know what they're saying. The point is they don't offend their base viewers when they use such language. Schlutz did and he said he was sorry.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 03:02 PM
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thanks_imjustlurking Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 06:33 PM
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28. It was misogynistic or at least irrelevant, and I object to it even in an ad-lib situation, but
that is one of the best apologies I've ever seen.
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