Teen girl shoots dad with arrow for grounding her & taking cell phone

[RamboLiberal]

Police in Washington state have arrested a teenage girl for allegedly shooting her dad with an arrow after he took her cell phone away.

Mason County detective William Adam said the man told officers that his 15-year-old daughter used a hunting bow to shoot him Wednesday evening after he grounded her and took the phone.

After being shot, he allegedly had to crawl to a neighbor's house to call 911, because she wouldn't let him use the phone, KOMO-TV reported.

The man was airlifted from the rural, forested Tahuya area to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle and listed in serious condition, according to KOMO.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43180404/ns/us_news-weird_news/

Bet there's no cell phones in juvvie!

[Common Sense Party]

1. We need to ban all bows and arrows, too.

I hope she enjoys the juvenile justice system.

[rustydog]

3. If you outlaw bows and arrows...Only Outlaws will have bows and arrows!!

:evilgrin:

[madinmaryland]

25. *SNORT*

:rofl:

[TheCowsCameHome]

37. Guffaw.

How clever.

[damntexdem]

11. Well, he seems to have survived.

Better odds than if she'd shot him with a gun.

[Common Sense Party]

15. Depends on where he was shot.

A well-placed arrow can do much more damage than a poorly aimed bullet.

And there's much less kick on a hunting bow.

[LanternWaste]

21. All things being equal...

All things being equal, I'd rather get shot with a bow.

[Name removed]

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[quakerboy]

78. All things being equal

I'd rather get shot with a squirt gun than either.

[JoeyT]

91. I wouldn't bet on that.

It would depend on what point was on the arrow what I'd rather be shot with. With a target point, sure, I'd take the bow.
If there's any kind of hunting point on the arrow, I'd take most guns over it. At least with a gun the wound channel is relatively small. Broadheads make a huge wound channel, and some are barbed to keep the arrow in. As you move the arrow works its way around cutting deeper and deeper. (Barbs are illegal in most states, but not all.)


That little thing on the side is called a "bleeder blade" for pretty obvious reasons and the whole thing is a little over three inches wide. I'll take a bullet, thanks.

[RamboLiberal]

23. NY Daily News said it was in the head

[Common Sense Party]

24. Ouch.

Maybe he can now play the banjo.

[immoderate]

31. Now I get it.

I never found that funny. Suddenly, it's very clear. :rofl:

--imm

[TheCowsCameHome]

38. Tahuya, Washington.

That's what the artice said.

[Common Sense Party]

45. (Rimshot)

[Aerows]

49. Whole lot more expertise necessary to fire a bow

I certainly couldn't fire mine to a level to kill by simply pressing a trigger. It takes practice to shoot a bow with enough lethality to kill.

[PavePusher]

88. Not really.

(Ill)Luck can be just as effective with a bow as with a gun. No "expertise" required.

[PavePusher]

89. Not neccesarily.

Getting shot with a hunting broad-head will lead to massive bleeding. A field-point would be more survivable (depending on placement) as long as it was left in place until medical care was available.

[sakabatou]

2. That kid probably has some problems... or just spoiled

[Viking 1]

33. Ya THINK???

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. Bad parenting?

:shrug:

[blueamy66]

102. How about

I cannot even wrap my head around doing something like this to my parents as a teenager.

time outs my ass

All I got is JESUS CHRIST

[JVS]

5. Xena, texting princess.

[Codeine]

30. Absolutely brilliant, sir. nt

[Vehl]

46. lol

good one!

[Exultant Democracy]

87. just what I was thinking. Making him crawl to the other house cause she then took away his phone

is extra cold.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. Having a family is like having a bowling alley installed in your head.

[EFerrari]

13. My ex used to call mine "friendly cannibals".

lol

[B Calm]

7. The word BRAT comes to mind. . .

[HappyMe]

17. Yup. Clueless, spoiled brat. nt

[lunatica]

99. The word psycopath comes to my mind

I don't think a brat the way the word is understood would go quite that far.

[WheelWalker]

8. Squirt guns don't squirt people...

kids do.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

9. Sociopath or future female face of the GOP?

Maybe both!

[catbyte]

16. Is there a difference?!? :)

[Fumesucker]

10. One thing we know for sure..

There's nothing more to this story..

[lumberjack_jeff]

14. I guess blaming the victim IS okay.

You know... sometimes.

[Puregonzo1188]

34. There's only something more to the story when it involves police misconduct.

Otherwise it's an open and shut case that we don't even need a trial for.

[Fumesucker]

35. "If they weren't guilty, they wouldn't be suspects" -Ed Meese..

[Matt_in_STL]

12. It's only cool if she shot him from a helicopter. n/t

[PearliePoo2]

20. Yeah...she's aspiring to become the next....

Sarah fucking Palin!

[Iggo]

18. '...she wouldn't let him use the phone...'

Ya know, I really didn't want to laugh at this story.

[aikoaiko]

19. Hunting bow and arrows? ouch.

[LiberalFighter]

22. She wants a cell phone then let her. But she has to pay for it.

And then make sure her minutes are used up before the first week is up.

[Darth_Kitten]

51. That's not the point, she seems like a spoiled, unfeeling brat.

:(

[miscsoc]

76. also she DID shoot her dad with an arrow

that is the, ahem, point (no pun intended)

[ileus]

26. Bows kill people...

[LibertyLover]

29. Nah - bows don't kill people . . .

arrows shot from bows kill people. Hmm, I think maybe I'll lock up my arrows when I get home. On second thought, why bother? The kid can't string my bows yet anyway.

[yawnmaster]

41. Here is a link to some really killer bows!...

http://fashionfruitpunkbowtique.auctivacommerce.com/Goth-Killer-Punk-Blood-Splatter-Axe-Hair-Bow-P1959548.aspx

[obxhead]

28. Somehow, I think there is a bit more to this story. nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

32. Katniss!

[RamboLiberal]

42. Ha ha - love those books

Reading Mockingjay. Wonder how the movie will be?

[The Backlash Cometh]

44. The cast is looking interesting.

I wish they would have picked someone more ethnic for the part. Just the usual attempt to Anglicize characters in features, if not in coloring.

But they cast Woody Harrelson so it should be interesting.

[RamboLiberal]

74. Woody as Haymitch - wow

Guess as I finish Mockingjay I now have to picture Woody.

[sufrommich]

36. Good God, that would hurt. nt

[toddwv]

39. Bet he's glad he didn't get her that extended capacity shotgun that she wanted...

Sounds like a spoiled brat.

Father returns from hospital.

"Ok, missy...we need to have a nice long talk!"
"But DAD... you took my cell phone!!!"
"Well, that's IT! You're grounded and THIS time I mean it!!"
"But DAD!!"
"Ahhh...you look so sad, you know that I can't stay mad at you. Here's your cell-phone. You're still grounded though!"
"But DAD!!!!!"
"Ummmm...well, ok, but you have to do the dishes tonight."
"I can't I'm staying at my boyfriend's house tonight."
"Oh, well...ok. Maybe you can do them when you get back."
"Yeah, maybe. See you in a couple days. Hope your wound heals fine."

[Prometheus Bound]

40. That'll teach him.

[chillspike]

43. An accident of bad parenting

How unskilled a parent do you have to be to allow a situation to evolve into this?

[Aerows]

48. I'm betting there is far more to it

You don't use a bow without thinking it through, simply because you can't. Bow =/= gun. Two different weapons, and required two different levels of expertise.

[MadBadger]

94. Some kids just suck

But go ahead and blame the parents when you know basically nothing about the case

[Aerows]

47. Why do I bet

that there is much more to this story than just the girl being the guilty party?

I've used a bow before, and it isn't a weapon you use like a gun - you don't have "accidents" with bows - you use one because you willingly are after the target of said bow.

Anyone else that has ever used a bow or participated in archery want to chime in here? It's not an "accidental" weapon.

[Common Sense Party]

50. Who ever said it was an accident?

It sounds like she INTENDED to hurt her father, on purpose.

[Fumesucker]

52. Yeah, that's the poster's point..

Shooting someone with a bow is a much more deliberate action than just picking up a gun and squeezing the trigger.

There's a non-zero chance that more than an argument over grounding and a cell-phone caused this event.

I'm actually kind of surprised at how many completely believe this story to be the whole truth and I've been on DU for quite some time.

[Common Sense Party]

54. Yes, because Occam's Razor is never the right rule of thumb.

I'm sure your suspicions will prove correct. :eyes:

[Fumesucker]

55. Duke Lacrosse team...

They were tried, convicted, sentenced and executed here on DU, it was unpossible that they were anything other than mass rapists..

I learned my lesson with that one..

Now I'm skeptical of any first reports like we just read in the OP.

[lumberjack_jeff]

56. Crystal Mangham didn't have an arrow removed from her by hospital staff.

analogy fail.

There's no reason, save stereotypes, to believe that the (demonstrable) shooting victim is to blame.

[Fumesucker]

57. Where did I say the girl didn't shoot her father?

You're absolutely sure that the whole story was told in the brief first report we all just read.

I'm cool with that..

But I'm not absolutely sure there's nothing more to it.

I was molested at about that age or a little younger and never told anyone until I was about forty.

It colors my perception of things quite a bit sometimes and this is one of those times..

[Aerows]

61. That was my take on it, too

You don't just shoot someone with a bow and arrow without a well-defined reason for doing so.

[Aerows]

58. Weapon choice

alone would tell a sane person there is more to this story than just a cell phone.

[Common Sense Party]

65. They lived in the woods. The bow and arrow was close at hand.

She knows how to use one. She's mad at her dad and mentally unbalanced. She shot him with the bow and arrow.

Any thinking person can figure this out. It's elementary, my dear Aerows.

[Aerows]

67. She's physically ill

My dear.

The only person who made of claims about the cell phone was the father. I stated that there was more to this story, in my opinion, and guess what? It looks like there is. My Dear.

[Aerows]

68. And by the way

What the hell is wrong with living in the woods? Are you implying that everyone who lives in the country is a savage, because that's what it sounded like to me.

[Common Sense Party]

77. WTF? You have issues.

[Aerows]

79. I have fewer issues

than someone that has to lash out on a message board.

And still ends up being wrong.

When you get a stronger argument, you come back and have a real discussion.

[Iggo]

82. ...she said, while lashing out on a message board.

;)

[Aerows]

83. Nobody's perfect

:D

[Iggo]

85. Don't I know it.

I alerted on sarcasm yesterday.

[Aerows]

86. LOL!

:spray:

Please don't be funny while I'm drinking my morning OJ :D

[Aerows]

59. exactly my point

It's over a hell of a lot more than just a cell phone to take such a dire route at "problem solving".

You are getting the father's story - she's a spoiled brat, etc. In this particular case, considering the weapon used, I'd tend to believe there is a lot more to it than cell phone privileges.

[Viking 1]

63. You seem determined to make this into an "SVU" storyline

But sometimes a brat is just a brat.

[Aerows]

64. I don't watch TV

And haven't for about ten years. I just use my brain, and think for myself.

Think for yourself. A bow is not a weapon that is reactionary. It takes mental planning to use it. That was my point.

It wasn't a value judgment, it was an honest assessment of what is a horrible event. Perhaps you should look at your own self and your tv watching habit if you think someone making a valid point is like an episode of your favorite show.

[Viking 1]

71. Judas H. Priest, Get OVER Yourself already!

And, if you don't watch TV, how did you know what "SVU" was?

[Aerows]

72. Oh, I pissed you off by pointing out

that your argument sucked. I'm pleased.

[Aerows]

60. Agreed - and that was my point

There is a hell of a lot more going on here than the story told by the police, et. al.

[MilesColtrane]

53. Can you spear me now?

[Cerridwen]

62. Update: shot in torso (not head), girl was despondent & has med. issue

From other articles earlier today.

The father was shot in the torso; not head. After girl was detained/apprehended she was found to be "despondent with a serious medical issue."

One article says father only known parent; another says mother lives out of state. Father is one who says was because of being grounded and no use of cell phone.

Girl will remain in hospital until medically cleared to be sent to detention.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Girl-shoots-dad-with-arrow-after-he-takes-away-1397174.php

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/theblotter/2015150287_masoncountygirlshootsdadwithahuntingbowdeputiessay.html

edit to fix a couple of words.

[Aerows]

66. The girl is ill

And the father's only response is because he denied her cell phone usage, and plenty called her a brat.

When the kid is so damn sick that she's in the damn hospital, and uses a bow and arrow to commit a crime, I'm inclined to think there is more going on than just "denied cell phone usage".

But I guess I'm just using "tv logic" and not the rational perspective of a person that has actually hunted with a bow. No, it couldn't possibly be that the entire scenario sounded implausible from the get-go, it must be that *I* watch too much TV. Since I haven't owned one in ten years.

[crikkett]

95. I wonder if meth was involved n/t

[JVS]

69. Is the medical issue something like being hopped up on goofballs?

[Cerridwen]

70. "despondent" doesn't sound like "hopped up" on anything.

None of the articles I've found have said what her medical issue is.

[JVS]

73. Goofball withdrawl?

[Cerridwen]

75. Wouldn't know. Still isn't reported.

[Bucky]

81. Please don't tell me about her mental issues. The headline w/o context confirms my prejudices

Any reporting of facts will only cloud the core issue here: that all kids are a bunch of remorseless spoiled brats and the world isn't simple and wholesome like it was when I was a kid in the 70s.

[Cerridwen]

90. Sorry, Bucky.

I was mostly ignoring the other articles I'd found with the additional information but then I had a "SOMEBODY'S WRONG ON THE INTERNET!!!!1111" moment and I just *had* to post.

I blame it on the fact I spent the day peeling 40-year-old wallpaper off 50-year-old walls. I couldn't punish the person who 'invented' wallpaper so I decided to post here.

LOL

:hi:

[Bucky]

80. Why did he have to crawl to the neighbors to call 911? Didn't he still have her cellphone?

Sheesh, grown ups these days.

[KurtNYC]

84. BC it was a bow and arrow the headline does NOT say "discharged"

or "went off" or any of the magical self-firing phrases they use with guns.

Maybe:
- she was just cleaning the bow and arrow and "it accidentally discharged," because...
- she "didn't think it was loaded," or
- she "thought the safety was on," or
- the bow and arrow malfunctioned.

Absurd? and yet they say similar things about gun shootings all the time.

[Name removed]

92. Deleted message

No additional word on daughter's medical issue.

The father is "on the mend".

<snip>

When airlift medics arrived, they made sure victim Tony Iovenelli didn't move since the arrow was still stuck in his side.

<snip>

"It was straight sideways, punctured his arm; it was parallel to his arm, right in his body," Dave Blackwood said. {Blackwood is neighbor whose house Tony Iovenelli drove to}

<snip>

Iovenelli said he ran from the house with the arrow still in his side and managed to get in his pick up and drive to Blackwood's home several doors down, asking him to call 911.

"So I went back and got my phone, came out, and I went to his window and he told me his daughter had shot him with a bow and arrow," Blackwood said. "I got up next to his truck, looked inside, and sure enough he had an arrow sticking out of the side of his chest."

<snip to a wee bit more at linnk>

From another site/blog, I found the girl's name and that she's an honor student. I hesitate to link to it as the same page of the article also has a video titled "Blame the Jews – Everyone else does"

Instead, I'll summarize and leave off some of the more colorful language; the daughter's name is Kirsten Nicole Iovinelli and she's an honor student at her middle school. She has a facebook page which is currently 'unavailable' and she's been charged with first degree assault. Oh, and there are pictures that I believe are of the father and the daughter.

As I said, still no word on her 'serious medical issues.'

[Cerridwen]

93. Update #2: from brother's facebook page "bro's okay; it's not true"

I want everyone to know that my bro is on the mend and his kid is safe please dont listen to news it not true

[crikkett]

96. apparently not because one of these articles says that the father's her only living relative

weird how the news comes from social networks these days.

[Cerridwen]

103. Reading the different articles was enlightening.

Some mentioned her mother; most didn't.

A few mentioned her 'medical issue'; some didn't.

A couple of blogs went to town and added all kinds of crap not found in any of the articles; I have no idea where they got it from.

The names didn't come out until about two days later and the majority of the original articles still haven't been updated. If any of the reports were correct, she should have gone before a judge yesterday if she was medically cleared. I've not found any updates this morning.

No update at the brother's facebook page either.

[Rex]

97. Hey, you get what kind of generation you raise.

Kids these days...

[lunatica]

98. She sounds like a psychopath

One step above a sociopath because evidently she is willing to kill.

[Cleita]

100. On the positive side, hunter dad will

know how the animals shot with an arrow feel while they are bleeding to death.

[blueamy66]

101. What has happened to the US and parenting?

I would never have even thought about back-talking my parents, better yet shooting them with an arrow.

This is why I don't have kids.

My heart sank reading this.....