Priest who is not the Pope's direct advisor nontheless raped lots of boys

[DisgustipatedinCA]

Investigators say that in tapped mobile-​phone conversations, Seppia asked a Moroccan drug dealer to arrange sexual encounters with young and vulnerable boys. “I do not want 16-​year-​old boys but younger. Fourteen-​year-​olds are O.K. Look for needy boys who have family issues".

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/top-advisor-to-pope-on-pedophile-priests-arrested-in-pedophilia-sex-ring/news/2011/05/26/20865

Subject line changed to reflect changed headline at link (see post #20 for change log. See URL itself (just above this line) that contains the original headline from The New Civil Rights Movement).

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[Hannah Bell]

2. unrec for bullshit headline. *not* the pope's advisor at all.

Father Riccardo Seppia, a 51-​year-​old parish priest in the village of Sastri Ponente, near Genoa, was arrested last Friday, May 13, on pedophilia and drug charges.


Genoa Archbishop Angelo Bagnasco, who is the head of the Italian Bishops Conference, had been working with Benedict to establish a tough new worldwide policy, released this week, on how bishops should handle accusations of priestly sex abuse.”



Just a parish priest under the authority of the Genoa archbishop.

Why the need for the lying headline?

[struggle4progress]

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[Me.]

5. The Headline Was On The Article Itself

"Top Advisor To Pope On Pedophile Priests Arrested In Pedophilia Sex Ring"

[truebrit71]

7. Which is not accurate as it turns out...if you follow the Time link in the article..

...which I assume is one of the source articles, the first paragraph more clearly states the situation..

[JuniperLea]

9. Please copy the bit that tells you he wasn't an advisor...

Then please tell me what you think an adivsor is... thanks in advance.

[LiberalAndProud]

18. The priest is in the advisor's Archdiocese.

The headline at the link:
Priest In Archdiocese Of Advisor To Pope On Pedophile Priests Arrested In Pedophilia Sex Ring


The advisor is not the pedophile.

[Hannah Bell]

21. i already did. sorry if you don't get it. he's a *parish priest*.

[Hannah Bell]

28. the article posted clearly states the situation in the body of the article. Only the headline

has been altered for whatever reason.

[JuniperLea]

8. UnEffing believeable...

I guess cut and paste of the actual title means nothing to some... Jesus God... we're sick.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

10. Thanks for noting that

The headline does seem incorrect, but I did take my post title from the headline. Still, the Catholic church is still staffed at the top of the organization and all the way down to the bottom with a bunch of child rapists, despite any protestations from those who wish it wasn't true.

[JuniperLea]

12. How would he not be an advisor...

If he's on a panel working for the Pope on this very issue?

I guess I don't split hairs quite as fine as others.

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[pnwmom]

41. He's not on the panel. The headline was wrong. n/t

[Hannah Bell]

77. "split hairs"? no hairsplitting involved. the article clearly states that

a parish priest was arrest.

not his archbishop, who is the actual "advisor to the pope".

do you read?

[Scuba]

14. And we've only seen the tip of the iceberg. South America awaits. n/t

[Hannah Bell]

22. he's a parish priest. no "advisor to the pope" was arrested. did you *read* what you posted?

a parish priest is at the lowest level of the catholic hierarchy. he oversees a parish.

parishes are organized into dioceses overseen by bishops, which are in turn organized into a metropolitan/archdiocese overseen by an archbishop.


in this story a parish priest was arrested.

his archbishop is the "advisor to the pope".

[phantom power]

6. He was the pope's advisor's advisor.

[JuniperLea]

11. He was an advisor....

He was one of many on a panel of advisors... I'm not sure what the deal is here, but this is kind of scary...

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[pnwmom]

44. No, he was just a parish priest. Not an advisor to the Pope,

or to the panel.

This doesn't excuse his behavior. He's still slime, if the allegations are true.

[Hannah Bell]

78. no, he wasn't, no matter how many times you demonstrate that you either

cannot or did not READ the article.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

13. and by the way, who are you accusing of lying?

Is it me, or the original headline writer? I'd really like to know. This isn't LBN, so I changed the subject line to something of my choosing, but my subject line was most certainly entirely based on the headline at the link.

Who are you calling a liar, and why?

[Hannah Bell]

26. "why the lying headline"? can *you* read? can anyone read?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

31. That's not an answer.

I asked you to have the courage to back up what you were saying, and to specify whether you were calling me or the original headline writer a liar. Your words have no merit if you're not willing to back them up.

[Hannah Bell]

34. exact quote: "why the lying headline?" that is "what i was saying".

sorry if you can't understand it.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

38. I still asked you a question. You still haven't answered it.

You sound tough on the first go-round. The complete crumbling and lack of conviction was surprising.

[Hannah Bell]

40. i have answered it. you just prefer your version of reality -- and english.

you posted a headline which misrepresented the facts clearly stated in the story. a lying headline.

sorry you are offended by my pointing that out.

[pnwmom]

54. The headline was false. And repeating it means you're repeating a falsehood. n/t

[yodermon]

16. HEADLINE HAS BEEN CORRECTED in OP's link. They must read DU, lol

New title:

"Priest In Archdiocese Of Advisor To Pope On Pedophile Priests Arrested In Pedophilia Sex Ring"


at bottom:

(Editor’s note: This post originally misidentified Father Riccardo Seppia as a top advisor to the Pope. As corrected he is a priest in a top advisor’s archdiocese.)

[Hannah Bell]

74. funny. they must get that "advisor to the pope" in one way or another, even

though it has no connection to the story whatsoever.

every priest is under the jurisdiction of some "advisor to the pope".

that doesn't mean that the "advisor to the pope" is on board with priests raping people.

[REP]

17. That was the headline of the article. Ask them.

They have since changed it. It's still about yet another rapist priest who has been protected by the church.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

20. the headline is still contained in the actual URL

Thanks for noting it. I'll go ahead and edit, since the link edited, but I'll let this post track the change:

My original subject line was:
The Pope's advisor on pedophelia turns out to be a pedophile

This was based on the article linked in the OP; the article's title was:
Top Advisor to Pope on Pedophile Priests Arrested in Pedophelia Sex Ring

Now, the article at the link has been changed to:
Priest in Archdiocese of Advisor to the Pope on Pedophile Priests Arrested in Pedophelia Sex Ring.

Because this was changed at the link, I'll change my OP, but not because some hothead is calling me a liar.

[Hannah Bell]

33. "some hothead is calling me a liar." please point out where i call you a liar.

[REP]

42. "Why the lying headline" post #2 is an inartful, indirect accusation aimed at the OP

But you knew that.

[Hannah Bell]

45. mind-readers as well as amateur psychologists? my, my.

[REP]

50. No. I can read what you wrote. So can everyone else.

I hope you're at least half as cute as you think you are. Never works out that way, though.

[pnwmom]

47. The headline was false. And it seems pretty ironic to accuse the poster

of making an "inartful, indirect accusation" by using the word "lying headline" when the OP's title contained an outright falsehood.

[REP]

53. That's TWO words and irony doesn't mean what you think it does, but thanks!

See link. Or not. Don't care - it's fun to watch tag teams.

[Hannah Bell]

57. "tag team". that's funny, considering that 1) there are about 3 posters helping you malign me and

2) pnwmom & i regularly cross swords.

[REP]

62. "Malign"? Pointing out what you wrote is maligning?

Oh. My.

[Hannah Bell]

64. you are not pointing out anything but your own problem.

[pnwmom]

65. Sorry that you don't understand the meaning of irony.

And that you're so threatened by the idea of people disagreeing with you that you apparently see tag teams everywhere.

[ZombieHorde]

19. The headline is from the article, and Time is the one saying he is the Pope's adviser.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2072613,00.html?xid=rss-world

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

[Hannah Bell]

27. TIME isn't saying anything like that. another non-reader.

The latest sex-abuse case to rock the Catholic Church is unfolding in the archdiocese of an influential Italian Cardinal...


Father Riccardo Seppia, a 51-year-old parish priest in the village of Sastri Ponente, near Genoa, was arrested

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2072613,00.html#ixzz1NUVDgYcE

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2072613,00.html#ixzz1NUV5gKMM

[ZombieHorde]

29. You are right, I misread.

I hope your insults give you pleasure.

[Hannah Bell]

30. it's not an insult, a statement of fact. you didn't read the story.

[ZombieHorde]

32. No, I misread the story. nt

[dionysus]

cool your jets comrade bell.

[JuniperLea]

37. LOL!

I wondered who that was...

[Hannah Bell]

39. i guess your habit of ignoring information not in accord with your biases is why

you keep insisting an advisor to the pope was arrested.

sadly, reality says otherwise.

[pnwmom]

51. I appreciate your persistent educational efforts here, Hannah.

When we're discussing serious accusations like this, we should at least correctly identify the accused.

[pnwmom]

49. The ARCHBISHOP is the one Time is saying is the Pope's adviser.

And the Archbishop isn't accused of anything. He's the head of a large archdiocese, and one of the priests in one of the churches in that archdiocese has been accused of these crimes.

[truebrit71]

3. Despicable...

...but not surprising.

[snagglepuss]

15. Despicable does not come close, not that I know what does.

:puke:

[Hannah Bell]

25. what a bullshit "revision". nothing at all to do with papal advisors.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

35. Alas, you've already unrecommended

Would that you could unrec so many times the thread just disappeared, but that's not the way it works.

If you have your own demons to exorcise, that's your business, not mine, and not my concern. I suppose your histrionics have served to move the subject away from its root, but reality still won't budge an inch. This is just the latest in a series of hundreds of Catholic priests who have raped little boys because that's what they do.

[Hannah Bell]

36. another amateur psychologist. i'll refrain from doing the same analysis on your post.

you posted a headline which completely misrepresented the facts.

sorry you are so offended to have that noted.

[pnwmom]

55. This is another man in a position of power, often religious power

(Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, etc.) who appears to have used his position to molest vulnerable victims.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

80. True enough. But the Catholic church stands on its own as a rape organization

Your grouping is valid, if you want to talk about religious leaders of all stripes being guilty of pedophilia. But of course, the Catholic church has stood out in this regard. They're also the only one of the religions you mentioned with a strong, centralized organization that has spent many millions of dollars to hide and otherwise attempt to lessen what they've systematically done as a group. The top leadership of the church is indistinguishable from a rape cult. They own that charge, and it around their necks, nowhere to hide.

[REP]

43. I don't get it. Why so eager to defend rich men accused of sex crimes, comrade?

[Hannah Bell]

46. red-baiting noted. please point out any defense of rich men in this thread, thanks.

let's sum up the personal attacks so far:

1) red-baiting
2) apologist for rich pedophiles
3) person with psychological issues


how much abuse one gets for pointing out a lying headline. it's really amazing.

[REP]

48. Every post on this thread that you've made is handwaving to protect a rapist

You're no red. You're not even pink. You're New Labour.

[Hannah Bell]

52. yes, i see, pointing out that it was not an advisor to the pope who was arrested, but a parish

priest, though the headline claimed the opposite, = "handwaving to protect a rapist".

what a bunch of crap.

lets see, aren't you the one who just called me "comrade"? now you're saying i'm not a comrade?
this is a new category of personal insult, let me think on it.

[REP]

58. Actually, comrade was used upthread by someone else ...

... I was using it ironically (that is, a word used to convey the opposite of its literal meaning) because as I said, you're New Labour.

And yes. You're doing a LOT of handwaving over this rapist and the organization that protected him for so long. It's very very rich organization, and very powerful. Some people find that ... irresisitable. New Labour types, for example.

[Hannah Bell]

no, actually, the only thing i have said about the case is that the poster's headline

completely misrepresented the facts. no "advisor to the pope" was arrested. a parish priest was arrested. the "advisor to the pope" was the priest's archbishop, about 2 steps up the hierarchy.

the rest of my remarks have consisted of fending off personal attacks by you & others.

spin things as you will, them are the facts.

sorry you're so offended by them.

[pnwmom]

70. Probably more like 10 steps up the hierarchy. But who cares

about identifying the correct guy. If one man's guilty, all men are guilty, right?

All men are basically rapists, and all priests are men, so all priests are rapists. Why do we even bother trying to identify the guilty ones? Off with all their . . . never mind.

:sarcasm:

[pnwmom]

68. What Hannah is saying is that it matters, when you're making a very serious accusation,

that you correctly name the person you're accusing.

It seems very odd that any progressive wouldn't understand this.

[Hannah Bell]

79. yeah, somebody else named "rep".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1179812&mesg_id=1180645

i don't care *how* you claim youi were using it.

[pnwmom]

59. No, every post is asking for people to be accurate in identifying

the man accused of very serious crimes.

The person accused wasn't the Archbishop. He was one of hundreds of priests among many churches in the archdiocese.

It is no more fair to accuse all priests of being guilty of this crime than it is to accuse all men of being guilty of this crime.

[pnwmom]

56. You think parish priests are rich?

:rofl:

[REP]

60. Hey, you got tagged in! Yes, the RCC is rich, and this rapist has money.

[pnwmom]

61. This is an individual priest, and parish priests are anything but rich. n/t

[REP]

63. So he gets his cocaine from Jesus?

Not every priest is poor - just like there are some who aren't rapists.

[pnwmom]

66. Not every person who obtains cocaine is rich. n/t

[Generic Other]

67. This thread reminds me of that game "Telephone"

One person whispers something in his neighbor's ear and that person passes it on. By the time you get to the last person, the message is pretty much lost.

[Hannah Bell]

69. "telephone" is about innocent mishearing & misunderstanding.

this thread is about something else.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

71. yes. It's about Catholic priests anally raping children

or at least that's what it was intended to be before it was completely sidetracked with noise and idiocy.

[Hannah Bell]

72. lol. "noise" = correcting a lying headline.

it's funny how the outraged love to use explicit language to describe sex crime.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

75. outraged? In what respect is that, Charlie?

Have you looked at the thread? Yes, I've been outraged by the Catholic church for a long time for their systematic and widespread rape of children. How anyone else could feel differently utterly escapes me. However, I'm not particularly re-enraged by this specific story, as it is not at all surprising. I think it's fair to conclude you've displayed vein-popping rage from your first post in this thread. Again, don't know where you're coming from or why you're so upset, but no, I won't edit my words because they make you feel squeamish. Anal rape is what happened, and you'll not be able to excuse it, nor will you be successful in making everyone shut up about it. Catholic priests rape boys. The Catholic church leadership comprises a pedophile rape cult, and this is hideous. I don't really think I should be quiet about something so serious just because you want me to, and nothing you've said compels me to find a nicer way to talk about child rape by priests.

[Hannah Bell]

76. lol. i asked you to do nothing except quit attacking me personally.

"I think it's fair to conclude you've displayed vein-popping rage from your first post in this thread."

lol. you are so deluded. i have been laughing all the way through this thread. lol.

[Pisces]

81. Why derail the thread, we get your point. People are outraged about child rape. Don't you advocate

children if not work with them? Derailing a thread about pedophiles is poor form. Your posts are noise. He was in error to mislead with original post which has been changed, but now you are the runaway train here.

A fucking priest molested more kids and potentially gave them HIV. Can we now discuss that?

[Hannah Bell]

82. look, he was in error big-time. and if he'd just said so & corrected it graciously, that

would have been it.

instead, denial, half-assed "correction" and an army of character assassins. people attack me, i correct them. they attack again, i correct again.

the problem is with people who can't admit they're wrong and can't admit their own biases lead them to accept anything that confirms them without bothering to even *read* it, apparently.

don't bother to tell me off again, i can just reread the other posters' threads if i want to be told off.

[joeybee12]

73. Doesn't matter, it's because the 60's and 70's made him do it...nt