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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 04:55 PM
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David Frum to GOP: "We're screwed".
The political dangers in the Ryan budget could have been predicted in advance. In fact, they were predicted in advance – and widely. Yet the GOP proceeded anyway, all but four members of the House putting themselves on record in favor. Any acknowledgment of these dangers was instantly proclaimed taboo, as Newt Gingrich has painfully learned. Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer have enthusiastically promoted Paul Ryan as a presidential candidate. And this morning, as the reckoning arrives, the denial continues. Here’s Jonah Goldberg in a column arguing that “perhaps the only guy who can explain the GOP budget should run.”

In reality, Ryan is very unlikely to accept this draft. He declined the opportunity to run for US Senate in Wisconsin, likely because he sensed he could not win a state-wide election in which his budget would be the main issue.

Now we’re likely headed to the worst of all possible worlds. The GOP will run on a platform crafted to be maximally obnoxious to downscale voters. Some may hope that Tim Pawlenty’s biography may cushion the pain. Perhaps that’s right, at least as compared to Mitt Romney, who in the 2008 primaries did worst among Republicans earning less than $100,000 a year. And yes, Pawlenty is keeping his distance from the Ryan plan. But biography only takes you so far. The big issues of 2012 will be jobs and incomes in a nation still unrecovered from the catastrophe of 2008-2009. What does the GOP have to say to hard-pressed voters? Thus far the answer is: we offer Medicare cuts, Medicaid cuts, and tighter money aimed at raising the external value of the dollar.

No candidate, not even if he or she is born in a log cabin, would be able to sell that message to America’s working class.

http://www.frumforum.com/paul-ryan-2012s-goldwater
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 04:56 PM
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1. Anyone who listens to Bill Kristol ...LOL!
Has he ever been right about anything?
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:00 PM
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5. Well, he pushed for Palin for Vice President
and that worked out well ( for reality show producers).
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 06:46 PM
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17. I heard him once on the Daily Show say and I quote
"I am not in Washington so I can be honest".........
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 04:59 PM
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2. The idiots over reached...again
I hope they lose big, they will, but it aint gonna be pretty.
They will sling the most vile, hateful trash they can think of.
I wouldnt be surprised if violence was a tool.
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 04:59 PM
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3. Heh!
Edited on Thu May-26-11 05:00 PM by northoftheborder
:D :toast: :dem: :kick:

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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:00 PM
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4. Frum's already been kicked out of the club
So I guess he can afford to say something that makes sense.

The 'pukes are weaving their own noose, and are doubling down on crazy.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:14 PM
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10. And the Koch brothers are happy to bankroll them all off the cliff.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:20 PM
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13. The problem is that Republicans never publicly lament their situation...
...UNTIL they get kicked out of the Club.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:02 PM
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6. "The GOP will run on a platform crafted to be maximally obnoxious to downscale voters."
Give the man a medal..
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:03 PM
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7. I thought that was pretty succinct too. nt
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Viking 1 Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:19 PM
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12. Frum isn't all bad
Especially since being punted by AEI.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:06 PM
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8. "And yes, Pawlenty is keeping his distance from the Ryan plan"
Oops... guess he didn't read the news today:

Tim Pawlenty Voices Support For Paul Ryan Medicare Plan

KATHY McCORMACK 05/26/11 04:10 PM ET

stumble MILFORD, N.H. — Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty said Thursday for the first time that he supports House Republicans' budget outline that calls for cuts to the federal deficit as well as federal programs such as Medicare and Medicaid.

Pawlenty told reporters that if he were president he would endorse the House lawmakers' plan. He has been dogged in recent days about the plan, which Democrats' say would privatize sacrosanct federal programs. The endorsement now links the White House contender with House lawmakers' potentially toxic proposals that were likely to be unpopular with seniors.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/26/tim-pawlenty-paul-ryan_n_867653.html

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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:12 PM
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9. I want Ryan to run just so I can vote against him
He would be the odds on favorite to get the nomination because the baggers own the caucus and primary process for the pugs.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:20 PM
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14. I know and I find it hilarious. nt
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:15 PM
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11. Call Bubba Clinton , he'll help them out....n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 05:57 AM
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21. I understand that Bubba
will endorse Pawlenty (or Ryan) and address the Republican National Convention, you know, like Lieberman. Or not.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:50 PM
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15. Rocktivity to Frum and GOP: "You screwed YOURSELVES
Edited on Thu May-26-11 05:53 PM by rocktivity
by believing that your precious teabaggers would gladly give up their social security, Medicare, and reproductive rights in order to take Obama down!"

P.S "Unrecovered from the catastrophe of 2008-2009?" Shouldn't that be "2000-2009" -- you know, when President Georgie was running things?


rocktivity
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 06:37 PM
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16. To give Frum his due, he's been warning the GOP about the Tea Party for a year now, at least
His site proudly quotes this from Joan Walsh, May 2010: '"Frum Forum," the clubhouse for apostate conservatives who are no longer willing to humor the crackpot fringe' (except he leaves out 'apostate' - well, no-one like to say they left their party - everyone thinks their party left them).

For 2008-09/2000-09 - yeah, you're right, but Frum was up to his neck in the Dubya administration. The piece is still self-serving - he's just a realistic Republican.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 06:59 PM
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19. Yeah, I'd put Little Green Footballs in the same catagory.
Johnson's take on Palin running for president is pretty funny:

Half Governor Prepping a Presidential Run?Dumbest Presidential candidate ever?
Charles Johnson
Wingnuts • Thu May 26, 2011 at 10:12 am PDT • Views: 6,027

Yes, it’s beginning to look like the icon of modern conservatism (intellectually incurious, anti-science, fanatically religious, and terminally xenophobic) is going to run for President after all. Damn the polls — full speed ahead!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 06:54 PM
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18. Why does anyone listen to Bill Kristol and Charles Krauthammer?
:crazy:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 05:59 AM
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22. No shit...............nt
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 12:34 AM
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20. There are still 'Republicans earning less than $100,000 a year'?
Really? In 2011?
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