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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 10:59 PM Original message |
Teacher are escorted out by security or police after being fired. Not allowed to talk to friends. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. The walk of shame is typical of what happens when a white collar employee |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I've been laid off three times |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. You got to clean out your computer? Lucky dog! |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Hee, and I got to turn in my keys and badge too |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. Thanks |
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DesertDiamond (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
49. They are creating their own hell right now, and it's not a maybe, they will suffer. |
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vanbean (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
152. It is also called "being walked Spanish". A reference to Spanish pirates walking the plank. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #152 |
167. That's a new one |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 12:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
180. Yep, the perp walk. Don't forget... |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. I Got Lucky |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
96. Great description........"Walk of Shame".... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
109. Yes, you speak the truth |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. This is so demoralizing - I don't see how teachers can continue |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. When I retired it took two of us several trips to get it all. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Exactly - In the first two months my niece was teaching |
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PlightGeist (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
171. Excellent point |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
5. Thank you Arne Duncan. This kind of thing is all YOUR fault. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. "a fear-based workplace" |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
203. we shouldn't let his boss... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
10. locusts. and i do mean you too, barack & arne. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
11. So the classrooms are left unattended? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #11 |
30. Sounds that way. Teachers are usually laid off at semester or year's end. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
12. Oops, make that subject line "Teachers are".....not proofreading carefully. |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
13. I'm tired of all this fascist shit. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
79. hmm... |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
14. It's the Republican war on intelligence. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Democrats are in charge! |
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Kurmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
72. Missed the outcome of the 2010 elections, eh Sabrina? n/t |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. We still control 2 branches. These policies were set in 2009 early on... |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. You're talking numbers. Still looks to me like the republicans |
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teacher gal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
132. Yes, Sabrina is right... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #72 |
97. No, Dems are still in charge of the WH and the Senate. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #97 |
204. because they are in on it too... |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
84. I could only wish for such a thing! |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:54 AM Response to Original message |
16. I tell this to my co workers all the time |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Yep. There are countless employees of the month and employees of the year |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. I'm another one who worked myself ragged teaching on the college level, |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #16 |
27. Not only what you said about why work hard, but even if you don't get let go, why |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
80. Please |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 07:39 AM Response to Reply #80 |
135. i try to give the kids a good quality of work |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
106. Teaching, it isn't about pay, or unemployment, you do your best because of your students, |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 07:40 AM Response to Reply #106 |
136. see my new message above |
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Pooka Fey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
17. K&R |
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babydollhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
19. my neice is a TFA 24 year old replacement in DC |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #19 |
31. Well, she'll last, on average, 3 years and during that time will be |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
21. It's the corporate mentality. |
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Never Stop Dancin (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. it doesn't bother me |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
32. I like your wife!! |
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Buns_of_Fire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
75. Bravo to your wife. I said the exact same thing to my sleazy ex-boss |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
23. State Police were always called in for mass layoffs on my blue collar job |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
25. I taught at McKinley Tech, and I know many of those laid off. The principal is under investigation |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Interesting. |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Links, if you'd like to see what the school is dealing with right now |
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distilledvinegar (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
91. being a principal is a great job for a sociopath |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #91 |
108. I Think Sociopathy is the main issue Behind this Country's Decline |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #108 |
142. +1 n/t |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #91 |
156. This is EXACTLY why I quit teaching. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
26. Standard procedure in most businesses |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Really? Teachers are laid off here without all that humiliation. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. When they go in the middle of the year here, security is involved |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Well, I guess they found out what a dangerous threat teachers are. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
192. Yes, really |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Why can't they talk? When did we lose the right of free association? |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
33. When the custodians in my district were privatized, the |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
36. This is typical in industry |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I guess I'm odd....I don't consider teachers as "industry". |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. When I say "industry", I refer to non-government |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. They have been brought down, right? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Maybe if your outrage extended outside of education it'd be better received? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I was a teacher, I speak for that field. Others should speak out for their field. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Deleted sub-thread |
haikugal (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 08:33 AM Response to Reply #55 |
138. I look forward to reading your threads and comments. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. Then |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Lolz |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
129. hmm... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
73. Rather than satisfaction at seeing educators feel indignities |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
147. If it were not for teachers, you wouldn't have those |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #147 |
158. I think you are wrong. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
62. It's bullshit when it happens in industry too. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
93. What, is she going to walk out with trade secrets? |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
157. The main predictor of student success is a good teacher and ... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
40. What a jaded group we have become. |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I am not happy about it, but..... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Ah, now I get it. They are being taken down a notch so to speak. |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Your words, not mine..... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Oh, I get it. |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Another assumption... |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 07:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
137. they are now treated like a lot of the rest of us |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #137 |
146. Or..... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. Deleted message |
rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #146 |
170. And it was wrong in that instance as well |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #170 |
175. Yes! |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 02:23 AM Response to Reply #175 |
183. Unserstand and agree completely |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
66. You act as if this type of treatment.... |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
83. Who the hell do you think you're fooling? -nt |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
99. Why do people put up with it then? Why don't they fight |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
104. And that makes education better how? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
115. And anyone who's against teachers being treated like this |
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skygazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
145. Which is okay why? |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 01:06 AM Response to Reply #40 |
210. so when everyone else BUT educators are treated like criminals it's ok? |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
46. "she was not allowed to talk to us, and we were not allowed to talk to her"...since |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
159. When I was fired from a teaching job they told me not to talk to anyone. |
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Lizzie Poppet (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
202. Ridiculous. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
47. When there is no longer any outrage over anything... |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
48. Standard procedure... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. So you feel good that the teachers are being taken down a notch. |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Your words, not mine....... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Yes, I am mad about it. But since no one else seems to care it will become normal... |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. My other point is....... |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Oooops.....can't start by gutting schools |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. You do yourself and the rest of us a disservice |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
150. Why don't you save being "totally insulted and disgusted" |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. You mean like the rest of us? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
60. Wow, you guys win the fight. |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Wow.......thanks for the lesson..... |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. If we can't discuss this fairly, I'm done too |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
112. Well, since you replied to yourself.... |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #65 |
94. What debate? Jesus Christ, all I can see is you trying to minimize something awful. |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #94 |
113. +1 n/t |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #94 |
148. +2 million. |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 12:49 AM Response to Reply #94 |
182. I love the denial of malice. |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
64. Are these horror stories or SOP? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. SOP...brought to you by obama`s b ball buddy arne duncan |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
68. Dont understand |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. hiring new teachers to lower costs and... |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
71. More bullshit attacks on teachers. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
74. How many jobs let you stick and talk to friends after being fired? |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. In order to be an honest depiction, |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 07:54 AM Response to Reply #85 |
184. People are always averse to change, even those in the education community |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #184 |
207. hmph |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #74 |
114. How can you defend this teacher's friends not being allowed to comfort her |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #114 |
153. Don't bother trying to "educate" Freddie, |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #153 |
160. Maybe some teacher made him stay after school and write a sentence 400 times ONCE too often |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #160 |
173. Personally, I think he either owns stock in a for-profit |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 08:01 AM Response to Reply #114 |
185. It is common practice to immediately remove a terminated employee from the workplace |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #185 |
187. Deleted message |
Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #185 |
189. OK, then...How can you defend the way this woman was removed from the workplace |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #189 |
201. I do not see why teachers should be treated any different than other terminated employees |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #201 |
205. Then why should terminated employees, unless they're actually being terminated |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #74 |
151. Well, well, well. I was wondering when our very own |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. So did I...work hard for what appears to be nothing. |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. I'm sure it is tempting, mad, but please don't give |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #151 |
186. Holding people accountable for their work does not equal hate |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #186 |
188. They're not. But they're held "accountable" for factors |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #186 |
190. The judge's ruling PROVED this teacher didn't deserve to be fired |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #190 |
193. Again, my friend, there's no point in trying to get |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. I guess I just didn't want to leave his posts unanswered. |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #194 |
198. You know, you've actually described |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
78. why the need for law enforcement?!?!?!?! |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
86. Great! Fire the good teachers and hire the newer cheaper ones... |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. I'm not sure TFAers are cheaper than "traditional" teachers. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. They are not cheaper. Their hiring begins the deprofessionalizing of teaching.. |
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distilledvinegar (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. yes, the beauty of a TFAer |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. I'm not convinced TFA is the enemy. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. They are now being used to replace experienced, often tenured teachers. |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Duh... that's what I said. nt |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. That was rude. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #98 |
162. Let me help you understand. |
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distilledvinegar (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #90 |
110. actually, TFAers often are cheaper |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #89 |
161. Exactly - it's the same kind of graft we see in ... |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
88. What hath Obama wrought? Guilty |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
92. REC. nt |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
103. Well thank goodness cuz' we all know how many teachers are shooting up schools these days, right???? |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
105. It wouldnt surprise me in the least if someone is getting kickbacks |
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October (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
107. Our local principal was escorted out in the same way YEARS ago |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
111. Like they did in OldvRome, Christians are shuttingv down schools, going |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
116. K&R |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
117. Counterpoint to the excess of teacher's unions. |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. I'm trying to think of recent incidents, but drawing a blank. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #117 |
181. Like what? |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
119. Nothing new. This is how lay offs have been done for years. - |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Everyone feels better that teachers do the perp/shame walk. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #119 |
163. Rule one. Always keep important files backed up ... |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #119 |
211. Really, lynne? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
120. You never let fired employees talk with other employees, but it doesn't take the police to do that. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #120 |
133. That's inhumane |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #133 |
176. They can have those discussions away from work |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. Since when do people lose their rights of free speech and free association? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #177 |
199. Anyone can be in a school and claim free speech and free association? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #199 |
200. Nobody is saying that just anyone can walk into a school, but in ANY environment |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #200 |
208. Laid off and terminated employees do commit sabotage. You sound as if you think that doesn't happen |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 11:03 PM Response to Reply #208 |
209. Well then frogmarch the criminal ones, but show a little humanity to |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
121. K/R |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
123. Standard procedure in the private sector. It happened to me; no big deal. - nt |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #123 |
130. This is the public sector. It is a big deal. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #123 |
191. It shouldn't be done that way in the private sector, either. |
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fatbuckel (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
124. Explain this... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. The judge's ruling: |
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distilledvinegar (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #124 |
141. explanation |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #141 |
164. That is very true. Happened to me. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #141 |
212. Similar experience here... |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
125. This is standard... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Yes, the whole thread has made it clear. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 02:25 AM Response to Reply #127 |
134. Makes you just want to move to Mars and start over, doesn't it? O_o nt |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #125 |
165. You realize 2 things, no? |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
128. K&R'd |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
131. Because of this fucking disgraceful excuse for an education policy... |
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haikugal (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #131 |
140. The death of Hope AND Change.... |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
139. Guaranteed to lower teacher quality |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #139 |
166. Well - Walmart opened a public school a few years ago... |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
143. nothing unusual about that |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
144. Kicking, horrific |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
168. Unfortunately, this type of action is very common in the work force |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. Oh yes, indeed, almost every post in this thread has excused this because... |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. You would garner a lot more support if you extended your outrage to every working person... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #172 |
174. The message is loud and clear. |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #174 |
195. LOL |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #195 |
196. I don't bother to respond..... |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. Was this meant to be ironic? |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #172 |
178. You are putting words in the OP's mouth, as he's made |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #168 |
206. That's why I've started a thread discussing the idea that Democrats |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
179. Sorry, I cannot understand how this is happening in the US! This is |
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