Authors: CIA waited years to stop nuclear proliferation-The 'Fallout' Of The CIA's Race To Get Khan

[kpete]

Authors: CIA waited years to stop nuclear proliferation

By David Edwards
Wednesday, January 5th, 2011 -- 12:32 pm


Authors: CIA waited years to stop nuclear proliferation
http://www.npr.org/2011/01/04/132629443/the-fallout-of-the-cias-race-to-get-khan

The US government is guilty of allowing nuclear materials and intelligence to proliferate among to some of the most dangerous regimes in the world for more than 30 years, a new book alleges.

In Fallout, authors Douglas Frantz and Catherine Collins charge that the CIA waited until it was too late to stop the A.Q. Kahn network from disseminating nuclear weapons technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran.

"They could literally have stopped him in his tracks ," Franz told NPR's Fresh Air Tuesday. "It would have done an enormous amount to delay Pakistan building its own nuclear weapon, to delay the arms race on the South Asian continent and to stop Iran from getting where it is on the nuclear front."

"You know, so this is something that the CIA has been, in our view, guilty of for more than 30 years now," he added.

more:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/authors-cia-waited-years-stop-nuclear-proliferation/

[villager]

1. I guess an eventual nuclear "incident" will ultimately serve totalitarian interests...

n/t

[blm]

16. Keeps the MIC profits up - scared countries will bargain away their treasure and their resources...

even their....water....all for arms and oil.

[Octafish]

2. DU was on to those who turned away their eyes from Khan and the Bomb

For instance:

Pakistani nuke scientist A Q Khan met Osama: Report

Robertpaulsen brings it up in detail in "American Judas."

Whistleblower outted AQ Khan-Cheney-Bush connection, now fighting for pension

Lots in the archives, for those who give a damn.

[hootinholler]

3. I always assumed that the Plame affair was connected to subverting the nonproliferation treaty

Now I wonder if it was simply mean spiritedness.

I wish there was something I could do to bring these fucks to justice.

-Hoot

[robertpaulsen]

5. It's all about checks and balances.

I think the compartmentalization that occurs within US intelligence agencies, be it CIA, FBI, NSA etc., serves two purposes. It keeps the Big Secret hidden, so that one hand doesn't know what the other is washing to prevent those within the system lower on the food chain from adding 2 + 2. But I think the real purpose is to maintain the operative paradigm of our status quo. That means anything that threatens that must be quashed. Valerie Plame, Sibel Edmonds and Russell Tice are all patriots who threatened that status quo through their respective agencies. That's why they had to go, regardless of the foreign policy repercussions.

BTW, thanks for your compliment on my http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x93967">UNDER THE RUG thread! I appreciate the kindness and the understanding of how important it is to spread the truth!

[hootinholler]

9. I disagree about the primary purpose of SCI

It means an outsider must obtain at least one source per compartment (which must be an insider) to assemble the picture. I will grant that your reasons are side effects, but I doubt it is the primary reason. I have no idea if there are compartments that once one is 'read into' preclude them from being 'read into' other compartments.

Tice and Edmonds yes, appear to be damage control. Plame is not so obvious but if Wilson was otherwise untouchable, maybe, but it still doesn't explain why Brewster Jennings was taken out of the picture which had essentially no impact on Wilson, if anything the attack on Valeri helped Wilson. So Que Bono, and why?

You're quite welcome for the compliment.

-Hoot

[robertpaulsen]

15. Plame was publicly expendable cuz BJ&A was compromised 2 years prior to Wilson's op-ed.

Remember it was Grossman and Armitage, according to Sibel Edmonds, who initially compromised Brewster Jennings & Associates and that it was http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7347">"completely destroyed and gone by the summer of 2001." I'm not sure about Armitage's initial motive (though this testimony clearly proves his claim that telling Woodward and Novak was just "gossip" is a lie) but with Grossman, it clearly had to do with what Edmonds spelled out. "The whole operation has to do with something totally different and it had to do with the American Turkish Council and the Turkish clients who were about to hire Brewster Jennings as an analyst ... and Grossman found out about it, and tipped off his diplomatic contact who was a target of the FBI counter-intelligence, and that person notified the ISI , etc."

My primary source regarding compartmentalization would have to be L. Fletcher Prouty's book The Secret Team. So I think what you're saying is correct and definitely from what I recall in that book keeps important intelligence on a "need to know" basis. I think what I'm trying to say, based on what I've read in other books about the CIA's connection over the decades with drug proliferation, and also reading the overview of Frantz and Collins book in the OP on nuclear proliferation, is that the primary reason the CIA does these dark covert operations is to beef up the US economy and maintain our empire and status as a superpower. Covert operations are impossible without compartmentalization.

As I'm writing this, I'm thinking more about Armitage's motive. I still don't know and it's eating at me. But I do know Sibel Edmonds also implicated http://sibeledmonds.blogspot.com/2006/09/doug-feith-richard-perle-and-marc.html">Doug Feith and Richard Perle, not in her courtroom testimony but in an earlier interview, as being involved with Turkish corruption, like Grossman. So what does Armitage have in common with them? Could it have something to do with the PNAC? Both Armitage and Perle signed the http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm">letter asking President Clinton to remove "Saddam Hussein’s regime from power". While not a PNAC signatory, Feith's connection with Perle's goes back to being a Scoop Jackson staffer in the 70's. But maybe this has more to do with Pakistan than Turkey, as both Armitage and Grossman had intelligence interests there.

[hootinholler]

23. I didn't have the timeline straight...

B-J was compromised in Aug 2001? I didn't have that one, thanks. I'm not sure any of it makes any sense now.

Also since you mentioned the Scoop Jackson connection, I wonder what was retrieved from his papers in 2005?

-Hoot

[robertpaulsen]

24. Damn! Nice catch, hootinholler!

I didn't know about that. Wish those 10 reclassified documents would make their way to WikiLeaks!

Did you see the movie Fair Game? I enjoyed it. Of course, it didn't address any of the Sibel Edmonds testimony regarding Marc Grossman in 2001, but I thought it was a good examination of a CIA cover company and how they go about their business. Plame definitely was more than just the glorified secretary that the neo-cons wanted to paint her as, but Plame also had superiors within the company who seemed like they were keeping her out of the loop in a number of ways.

[Octafish]

6. You're doing it, hootinholler.

They fear facing justice like nothing else.
That's why they hate the truth.

[robertpaulsen]

7. We sure were, Octafish!

Thanks for continuing to give a damn. I'll bet most of the details in that book were posted on DU at some point!

[blm]

11. Kerry hired Frantz as an investigator for SFRC in 2009. One of the goals was to pin Khan

and his international enablers. Some of the enablers are still in high places and wielding influence and power in this country and around the globe.

[robertpaulsen]

19. Hey blm, have you read Frantz & Collins "The Man From Pakistan"?

I first heard of Frantz from seeing that book reviewed, but I haven't read it myself. I appreciate your opinion, and I want to thank you for recommending The Outlaw Bank! I read that last year and I thought they did a phenomenal job, both in spelling out their own investigation of BCCI and how Kerry's investigation into that scandal was successfully covered up by TPTB. My one quibble: no mention of Jackson Stephens! I know I've heard you mention his connection with BCCI. Thanks for all your hard work exposing the truth on that!

[blm]

21. Stephens has been laundered. My take: 'Whitewater' was used to get Poppy's legal scrubbers

into Rose Law Firm. Rose's biggest client? Jackson Stephens, who engineered WalMart's dealings with Chinese financiers and industrialists in the late 70s, around the same time he managed to bring BCCI into this country. Does anyone really believe that all those lawyers investigating Rose and examining documents were in there ONLY to find discrepancies in the Whitewater case...for TWO YEARS? Whitewater made Clinton uncomfortable for a few years, but, it was the least he could go through in exchange for what Poppy and Stephens had done for his WH dream.

None Dare Call It Fascism.

[robertpaulsen]

22. That makes sense to me.

If the Whitewater investigation went into Jackson Stephens, that might necessitate re-opening Iran/Contra on multiple levels. First, Stephens connection to BCCI, which helped finance the Iranian arms deals, and also the "Operation Black Eagle" and contra coke connection through Mena Intermountain Municipal Airport. But of course, that would mean opening a can of worms that at best, would put a black eye on their favorite boy scout, Ollie North! Sure he looked pretty in his Marine uniform in 1987, but would he look good 10 years later answering questions about http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKseal.htm">Barry Seal?!

No wonder they brought in Ken Starr and pretended the whole thing was about a stain on a blue dress all along.

[blm]

25. Whitewater prosecution was the smokescreen to gain complete access to EVERY file at Rose and

scrub anything that Stephens, Bush and WalMart cronies needed scrubbed....especially regarding BCCI.

[blm]

8. We do. We've posted about Khan for years, his longtime connex to Bushes and BCCI, and why all

of it needs to be reopened - the American people deserve the right to know WHY a 9-11 happened, and WHY Bushes and their Dem enablers over the decades should be tried for treason.

I highly doubt the RW nuts will DARE admit they have been working to PROTECT the Bushes and other NWO leaders they at one point claimed to fear. They'll help keep these matters off the radar as they pretend 'outrage' over far lesser issues.

Too bad some who call themselves Democrats will stand with the Bushes on BCCI....even some here.....pretending that none of it matters.

[End Of The Road]

12. These brought back some good memories

I loved DU in those days.

I spent many hours reading about Khan and the BCCI connection, many posts by a DUer whom I miss very much: seemslikeadream.

[hootinholler]

13. Her meltdown was painful to me

Sigh, I hope she is well.

-Hoot

[kpete]

14. I miss seemslikeadream too

the illusive Khan - what he could tell us...

[robertpaulsen]

17. Me four!

That was a http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5618993">sad day for me.

[blm]

26. add me

.

[Octafish]

27. and me, please.

seemslikeadream is TOPS! and she gives a damn.

Please add me under "Forever."

[robertpaulsen]

28. I'm sending the collective love here out to her.

And yeah, add "Forever" to my name too!

[bobthedrummer]

29. Yep. I miss her as much as others here, hope she sees this thread wherever she is

:grouphug:

[blm]

30. glad you're still here

.

[bobthedrummer]

31. You too blm, as well as many others that give a damn n/t

:hi:

[bobthedrummer]

4. K&R + The United States and Pakistan's Quest for the Bomb (12-21-10

The National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book 333)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb333/index.htm

:nuke:

[robertpaulsen]

10. Thanks Bob! I haven't read that link yet.

Looks like WikiLeaks did another good deed!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

18. Mandatory

http://www.khaaan.com

[robertpaulsen]

20. :rofl:

Will forward to as many of my Trekkie friends as possible!