Are The Democrats And Republicans Just Playing "Good Cop/Bad Cop" For The Global Corporatists ???

[WillyT]

Good cop/bad cop, known in British military circles as Mutt and Jeff (from an American newspaper comic strip of that name) and also called joint questioning and friend and foe,<1> is a psychological tactic used for interrogation.

'Good cop/bad cop' tactics involves a team of two interrogators who take apparently opposing approaches to the subject. The interrogators may interview the subject alternately or may confront the subject at the same time.

The 'bad cop' takes an aggressive, negative stance towards the subject, making blatant accusations, derogatory comments, threats, and in general creating antipathy between the subject and himself. This sets the stage for the 'good cop' to act sympathetically: appearing supportive, understanding, in general showing sympathy for the subject. The good cop will also defend the subject from the bad cop.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_cop/bad_cop

:shrug:

[some guy]

1. yes.

and I didn't have to read beyond the subject line.

[golddigger]

2. Yes!

[RainDog]

3. yes

there is no reason to vote that I can see - you just get the same bullshit excuses to fuck over the American people and suck up to the corporate elite.

they can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

[Riley18]

4. Sure does look like it.

[TBF]

5. And have been doing so for some time. nt

[socialist_n_TN]

6. Yep.........

At least most of them are. There are a FEW Dems who, IMO, really ARE on the side of the working class. But not many.

[rhett o rick]

7. In a word.......fuckyes. nm

[elehhhhna]

8. No. Bad cop/worse cop.

Much more accurate description.

[timtom]

48. I just did the same thing downthread.

I guess I shoulda looked before I leaped...

[elehhhhna]

99. great minds etc., timtom!

[rug]

9. Indeed.

[QC]

10. Bingo. n/t

[cali]

11. it's not nearly as simple as that. I realize that a lot of people- and that includes here at DU-

crave a simple black/white good/evil world. It's easier than dealing with complexity.

[Citizen Worker]

12. And the complexity would be? Please explain.

[cali]

70. sure. part of how Congress (and the dems and repubs who inhabit it)

work, is tied up with institutional behavior. then of course, there are the real and significant differences between the parties.

[immoderate]

88. The subsequent complexities and emergent behaviors tend to cancel out...

The effect is always:

The rich gain and the poor lose.

--imm

[whathehell]

104. Correct...No more complicated than "Haves" and "Have Nots" n/t

[TBF]

53. Class warfare is not complex. nt

[socialist_n_TN]

60. BINGO! Now I just wish we would SEE............

just a LITTLE class warfare. Cause right now it's just a class massacre.

[Warren Stupidity]

92. And obviously we are too stupid to understand the 'complexity'

so you will not even try to explain why this is not a plutocratic duopoly.

[Still a Democrat]

13. I wonder where they hold their meetings

and just who's in on it?

[WinkyDink]

51. It's a big, white, domed building in a former swamp.

[NYC Liberal]

14. Define "The Global Corporatists " nt

[WillyT]

17. Really... You Don't Know... Or Can't Guess ???

:wow:

:shrug:

[NYC Liberal]

18. Define the term specifically, it's very vague.

[WillyT]

20. Ok... You Got Me... How About... THOSE ASSHOLES ON WALL STREET ???

Is that better?

:hi:

[NYC Liberal]

22. I think many - a LOT - in both parties are

however, there are also enough who are NOT, who are on "our side," that I can't simply throw my hands up and say "We're just fucked, fuck it all." Not that that's what you're saying, but if anyone thinks that then I'd urge them not to give up.

[WillyT]

26. Urge On... Because I'm Just About Done...

:shrug:

The tea leaves are NOT good!

:hi:

[geek tragedy]

30. Just quit already then. You have our permission to drop out and do nothing., nt

[WillyT]

36. Oh No... Not Letting You Off The Hook That Easily...

I haven't made up my mind yet... says volumes that you already have...

However... I prefer to comment on the next two years.

Get used to it.

:hi:

[NYC Liberal]

37. If everyone gives up, everyone loses

I hear what you're saying though. Someone I know went to work for the census and left totally disillusioned. The amount of corruption, blatant lawbreaking, and manipulation was unbelievable. Was basically the only one there who refused to commit crimes and everyone was either in on it or didn't care, no matter how high up they went pursuing it. And the census determines everything - which districts the money goes to, Congressional representation, you name it.

But what I would say is that even if you don't think it's possible to win, at least make things as hard as you can. Death by a thousand paper cuts, if you will.

[WillyT]

41. I Hate To Say It This Way, But We Need To See A Punch...

We need to see Barack Obama bloody their noses... metaphorically of course...

Because as of this moment... a nice curt "talking to" isn't gonna cut it.

The Class War is about to go into full bloom, and I cannot tell which side my President is on.

MAJOR problem.

:shrug:

[FiveGoodMen]

95. "We need to see Barack Obama bloody their noses"

He's only ever punched us.

Why would today be different?

[Odin2005]

97. The Ruling Capitalist Class.

[Raksha]

15. Yes.

[Lint Head]

16. Duh? Of course. We live in a corporate fascist state.

[Initech]

19. It's more like spineless cop / psycho cop

[JoePhilly]

21. Howard Dean is on MSNBC right now (on KO), apparently playing Good Cop.

Supporting the health care legislation.

What a jerk!!!

[WillyT]

24. Dean Is Still Trying To Work Within The System...

Even though the "System" screwed him but good...

I'm trying to determine whether or not, I can still work within the system.

Right now... the jury is out.

:shrug:

[JoePhilly]

27. There is no where to work but within the system.

Unless you want to consider 2nd amendment remedies.

[WillyT]

32. Not True...

I can Vote for Democrats I agree with, and feel support my views, and support the Democratic Platform for the past 40 or 50 years.

I can also leave certain candidate's ballot boxes BLANK.

CANNOT vote for a Republican, but DO NOT HAVE TO vote for a Democrat.

Let y'all work it out amongst yourselves.

:shrug:

[JoePhilly]

34. What you describe is a "within the system" approach.

Vote, don't vote ... those are WITHIN the system.

[socialist_n_TN]

33. I HAVE often wondered why a Republican...........

senatorial candidate can advocate for "2nd Amendment remedies" and STILL run for the Senate, but a leftie saying the same thing would be assassinated.

[JoePhilly]

38. Because the media is terrified of having the GOP call them unpatriotic.

It is that simple.

If a person in the media really challenges a GOP member, they are accused of being unpatriotic. Which terrifies most of the media.

Earlier today, I saw Ratigan on MSNBC call a Congressional Democrat a LIAR. To her face. I have never seen ANY interviewer make such a claim on MSNBC, CNN, or FOX.

GOP members can go on that same show and LIE, and never be challenged ... Ratigan had no problem hitting a Dem with that accusation, even thought the point in question could be debated.

And Ratigan is on the "liberal" MSNBC ... I can't wait to hear him call a GOP member a liar during an interview. I will not hold my breath.

[geek tragedy]

29. What's your alternative, armed revolution? nt

[socialist_n_TN]

31. Bait post much?

Advocated or not, when inequalities get to French Royal Family levels, shit happens.

[WinkyDink]

52. Well, you know, it's been known to happen....and succeed. We seem to praise revolutions, in fact.

We even liked Castro in the beginning.

[KoKo]

44. Sadly...he's dyed his hair. On MSNBC this a.m. I love Dean...he didn't need to do this...

but, I realize MSNBC/CNBC has always tarted up their commentators. I remember Howard Fineman appearing one day and I spewed coffee because he had obviously done an "at home die job" and half of his head was colored "red/brown" and a flip over streak was hanging there. Next time I saw him he got it color corrected and he was back to mixed grey/white.

I wouldn't think Howard would need to dye his hair....

I DO BELIEVE he is trying to be supportive of Obama at this point ...but it doesn't mean he isn't trying to build a better Party behind the scenes.

He just needs to get those MSNBC MakeUp/HairStylist Artists off his BACK! He probably didn't even know what they were doing to him in the Pre Op!

[marmar]

23. Yep. For about 3 decades now.

nt

[TheMadMonk]

25. Bad Cop and badder cop is closer to the truth.

And I'm starting to think the odd fellow like Grayson and Kucinich, while they might be honsest in an of themselves, are seen by the other guys as a fucking great way of rubbing OUR noses in the ultimate inefectuality of opposition.

[geek tragedy]

28. Yeah, Russ Feingold, Dennis Kucinich, Sherrod Brown. Barbara Lee

are all just like Michelle Bachmann and Jim Inhofe.

Christ, the stupidity of this place amazes me sometimes.

[WillyT]

39. See Post #30...

"Just quit already then. You have our permission to drop out and do nothing., nt"

Good advice, no???

:hi:

[reggie the dog]

84. they, like ron paul, are outliers

who do not tow the corporate party line

[JoseGaspar]

86. They are identical...

They are trotted out to talk to the various "flanks" when grumbling is heard, while the party powers roll their eyes. Then, when party unity is demanded, they line up like ducks in a row... don't let the perfection pander be the enemy of the press cycle.

They are the Colmes to the political Hannity... the in-house "voices of the people". The fact that they are different "voices" is inconsequential.

And, they earn their pay during elections by scaring out the vote on the other side.

It's a racket... an unconscious, non-conspiratorial racket, but a racket nonetheless.

I might agree on the "stupidity of this place", but would probably come up with different names.

[villager]

35. Yup.

n/t

[Bonobo]

40. The correct answer is "Duh". nt

[KoKo]

42. Even trying to be an "objective observer" (which, I admit, is hard)...I'd say Yes...

it's quite bizarre to try to be objective and passive...and not get one's inner gut in turmoil over the coverage and what the camera showed today. Of course, there could be things we didn't see...but, then there is the print media and what's left of the reality blogosphere that has "eyes" out there that can be more reliable that the other two.

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[WillyT]

46. You Are Quite Welcome !!! - Actually, I'm Trying To Slap Them Out Of Their Stupor... You ???

:shrug:

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[sarcasmo]

45. Another yes. Two more years of do nothings.

[timtom]

47. Not at all!

They're playing Bad Cop and Worse Cop!

[slay]

57. +1

sad but true - good call.

[Howler]

49. Yep!

And the damned American voter is So stupid it keeps voting for the bad cop anyway!!!!
They even mess up the Good cop bad cop system.:puke:

[burrowowl]

54. Yup!

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[slay]

56. I didn't used to think so, but now I'm convinced this is true

the Dems, as a whole, are not on our side. they are part of the problem at this point. and their "good cop" really doesn't even seem that good. :(

[unkachuck]

58. '...Playing "Good Cop/Bad Cop" For The Global Corporatists ???'

....yes, and it's become a little too obvious....they all need to return to acting school and brush-up on their roles....

[TheKentuckian]

59. more like bad cop/psychotic greedhead cop

[pokerfan]

61. It’s a big club and you ain't in it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0

"The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own, and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear."

"...and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fuckin' place. It’s a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in The big club."

[TBF]

73. +1 nt

[johnlucas]

110. No wonder sages like George Carlin had to work as a "comedian"

The brainwashing is so deep in this country that it was the only way he could speak truth to people & have it sink in.
He had to masquerade as a "comedian" to speak about the tragedies of American life.
The funny thing is that quote of Carlin's you used got met with wooos & cheers from the audience he spoke to.
I know that it's probably more responding to George's plainspoken bluntness & insight but his words should rightly cause anger & a change in viewpoint.

"It's a big club...and you ain't in it. You and I are not in The Big Club!"
"WOOOOOOOO! *clap clap clap* YEEEEAAAAHH!! *clap clap clap clap*"

Yep, no wonder he had to be a "comedian".
John Lucas

[tomp]

62. do you really have to ask? nt

[WillyT]

63. It Was Rhetorical...

At least for some...

:shrug:

[tomp]

69. sorry. does ONE really have to ask? nt

[WillyT]

71. LOL !!!

:hi:

[GeorgeGist]

64. Where do we go to confess ...

Walmart, or Wallstreet?

[SpartanDem]

65. You think after 8 ears of Bush

there wouldn't be an intelligent person who would believe this anymore. Nader voters bought this no difference crap hook line and sinker and instead of giving Gore a big enough cushion so the election couldn't the stolen. We got the wost president ever. The tax cuts and Iraq certainly would've never happened. Maybe with a competent administration the 9/11 attacks are flushed out and stopped before they happen. The purist crowd would've bashed Gore during his terms like them do Obama, but at the end of the day world would've been a much better place.

[Enthusiast]

78. The PTB didn't want Gore.

That proves something to me. I'm glad I voted for him and I'm glad that at least I was on the right side of history.

[reggie the dog]

85. good cop bad cop means there are differences

the bad cop insults your mother, puts a plastic bag over your head, and beats you, the good cop gives you a glass of water, lights you a smoke and beats you

[Warren Stupidity]

91. yes but at least you got a smoke

and a glass of water!

[reggie the dog]

98. this is true

and is the essential here, i got crumbs from good cop and a foot up the ass.... bad cop takes my crumbs for himself then puts his foot up my ass

[True_Blue]

66. It does appear that way sometimes.

Sometimes it seems like it's all just political theater and the dominoes are already set-up in advance for us.

[TBF]

74. Sometimes? nt

[applegrove]

67. Yup.

[Raine]

68. Absolutely YES

I truly believe they are ALL on the same side and it sure the hell isn't the side of the people. :mad:

[defendandprotect]

72. Yes .. Yes. . . and Yes again!!

And we have to begin to decide whether there is anything worth saving of the

Democratic Party?

Granted, we can continue on with the Dems and the slower ride into corporate fascism ...

but the slide to the right will continue to accelerate.

[Reader Rabbit]

75. I hate the idea, but I think you're right.

That's the only logical explanation I can think of.

[LWolf]

76. Yes. nt

[Enthusiast]

77. K&R It sure looks that way. nt

[FredStembottom]

79. Yes. Began in the 70's IMHO.

Back when Democrats in the Senate worked against Jimmy Carter's agenda.
We have never recovered.

[Arugula Latte]

80. I believe this is so.

[Cherchez la Femme]

81. What, are you against good political theatre?

Now that's entertainment!

How very un-American of you. Love our politicians performances or leave it!

USA! USA!

Um, what's on American Idol this week?



:sarcasm:

[EnviroBat]

82. yes.

[reggie the dog]

83. yes

[immoderate]

87. Yes.

--imm

[Vincardog]

89. Does a bear shit in the woods?

[Warren Stupidity]

90. No they are playing Bad Cop Good Cop

[FiveGoodMen]

93. Yes.

Anyone who still doubts it is crazy, complicit, or just not paying attention.

[GSLevel9]

94. interesting theory...

[Odin2005]

96. Of course they are. Anyone who can't see that needs their heads adjusted.

[katty]

100. this system has been happening for decades-YES

[Catherina]

101. Yes. Rec'd n/t

[JDPriestly]

102. Yes!

[L0oniX]

103. Exactly!

[Devil_Fish]

105. Yes.

[saras]

106. Most but not all

A few Democrats are playing Wikileaks

A few Republicans are playing Grand Theft Auto

And a fair number of Republicans are playing A Nightmare On Elm Street

[grahamhgreen]

107. Yes - but not all of them, we still have a few

principled people in Washington - a very few

[johnlucas]

108. OF COURSE! Yes now you get it!

It has always been this way.
Neither Republicans nor Democrats are your friend.
Neither Republicans nor Democrats are in your corner.

Once this knowledge becomes the rule rather than the exception in people's minds, then things will start to change.
The only party I belong to is the Mario Party. Political parties are just a waste of time.
John Lucas

[thanks_imjustlurking]

109. Yes.

I am so sad to say so, and that I got taken in for a while.

[Kermitt Gribble]

111. Yes. n/t

[Lorien]

112. Of course. That's been evident for some time now. nt

[Swamp Rat]

113. Maybe

:shrug:

[blindpig]

114. kick

[Ganja Ninja]

115. Yup and that's really the only difference between the 2 parties.

In the end they're both still cops.

[Agent William]

116. Yes!