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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:33 AM Original message |
Said Before, I'll say again. We CAN'T legalize, till we can test. |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. Rumsfeld is probably going to make out like bandit on that one |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
2. Fuck that - just legalize it... |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Will you employ them all? Or force work comp ins cos. to stop insisting on ZERO TOLERANCE? |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Seriously? - That's your argument?... |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Is that what you heard? I decry those imprisoned, and work to end it permanently. |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. after reading it again... |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. So then, those imprisoned because they killed someone driving, and tested |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. they are convicted of a completely different crime... |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Could you please explain what DUI stands for? |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Driving Under the Influence... |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Yes, and the OP decries the absence of a test for, PRESENT LEVEL OF SAME. |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
118. The OP is not about driving... |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #118 |
154. It's about a satisfactory test for PRESENT LEVELS, and emoplyment, and driving, and other |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. "legal pot without a practical test for present levels ..." |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
159. manslaughter would likely be the charge |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-09-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #159 |
174. Great point, but don't get sucked into the faulty logic |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #11 |
100. Yeah, a good reason to keep them in prison, because a mistake was made. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Had someone the forethought that I have, they likely wouldnt be there now. |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #105 |
172. For seventeen years pot was completely legal in Alaska and none of what you suggest |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
26. +1 |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
132. Imagine legal pot with no intoxication test |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-09-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #132 |
175. That makes NO friggin sense! |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. Note Vermont's laws... |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
4. "There is no satisfactory test for present level of Cannabis intoxication." |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Different strains of pot |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I'm sold, but you cannot hold employment. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Of course you can. I've been doing it |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Lighten up, Francis. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #12 |
30. No thanks. |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
83. I don't care how stoned I am, I ain't eating anything with an expiration date of May 16, 7110 |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
133. Doesn't work, sorry |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
6. Evaluate people on their performance, not on what they choose to put in their bodies. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. In dangerous jobs? Or transportation? Working in a donut shop? |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
22. Performance tells all. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. No thanks. I don't want to find out my bus driver or pilot is impaired by crashing. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
67. And in most cases they already ARE tested. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #67 |
77. I do not argue that they are tested. I support legalization |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #77 |
90. Suppose such a test is actually impossible. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. That is a fatalistic assumption that would still see us in the trees. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Why would such a test be developed, then, |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. DAMMIT, there is already a call for a test, by ME. If I was to hit a pedestrian that |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #90 |
136. Much like sobriety tests being impossible. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #90 |
139. Actually, such a test is possible |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
146. These people spend all day drinking before work now, right? |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
9. The old boy system is too deeply imbedded in this country |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Phony puritanism is losing when polled. Rhetorically, legalization wins. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #14 |
33. distort time/space???? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
35. Even though there is ZERO evidence that marijuana impairs driving ability? |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:11 AM Original message |
So, your newly legalized pot message would be, have at it hoss? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
41. Do you have anything meaningful to add to the discussion? |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. But you said, pot doesnt have ANY effect on driving. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:25 AM Original message |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-07-11 03:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
147. And it doesn't have any negative effect on driving. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
153. He said there was no evidence that it does. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
73. That's not a bad message, no. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
16. How about a sobriety test? Heel to toe walking, stand on one foot, etc.? (nt |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. And if you had a stroke? Or ear infection? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
36. And if you had that while having any other FST? |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. When you fail a sobriety test, YOU ARE TESTED. WITH more reliable methods. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. So why would an FST for marijuana intoxication be any different? NT |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Do you want to be at the mercy of the cop's interpretation of your words and actions? |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Don't diabetics face EXACTLY THAT SAME SITUATION? |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I do not believe that. Have ANY evidence? |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Oh, Jesus. LOTS and LOTS of evidence. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. You've convinced me, we need an OP for a new DUI test as well. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Which, by your logic on this thread, means alcohol should be illegal as well. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. No, a revised test, and expanded appeals, to cover possible mistakes. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. And until then? |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. I would say, print a diabetese code on drivers licenses. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #81 |
89. Okay, fine. Here's a (common) scenario for you. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Oh, come on, Wingding, don't give up. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #89 |
97. SO, determine the next step AFTER seeing the diabetes code. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
122. But that's NOT what actually happens, is it? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Game, set match. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #50 |
61. We're already at the mercy of the cop's interpretation of your words and actions. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #50 |
113. you mean how it is now? |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Legalization, would exacerbate inequities, and falsely imprison. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. how? |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #119 |
138. As I said, creating an unemployeable underclass. Subject to blackballing by Work Comp Ins. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. but all those mechanisms are in place now |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
173. And that's the big problem |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
18. I "tested" it all during the 1970s... |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. When you declare it is time, that doesnt help. It is time to go about it as adults. |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I trust you were thorough - so I'm here to back you |
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Ship of Fools (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. hear hear! from another kansas dem |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. If we are going to argue from authority, I am a crackerjack grower. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
31. This is the standard, accepted method of ensuring public sobriety. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Just a minute. If the ONLY way we can know if someone is CURRENTLY under the influence |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. You bet your ass it does. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Try selling that to the voting public. Stoner activism must grow up. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. No, puritan prohibitionists such as yourself need to engage some basic logic. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #49 |
64. Your assertion is currently unmarketable. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
128. I disagree, newer communications models are already changing perceptions and marketability, combined |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #128 |
140. Do you think there is potential to convince people that MJ's buzz is unique and |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. I believe it's easier to convince most people that legalization should be adopted based on |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
53. We haven't pandered to the Drug Warriors' debilitating stupidity for long enough? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #44 |
65. Yeah, how dare he use logic and reason. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #39 |
58. I'm sorry I did not further clarify that this is a PR and marketing issue. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
37. so because MJ doesnt cause enough impairment.. we have to continue destroying people over it. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
54. So, you would place the level of impairment at INFINITY? And that is your sales pitch to |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
38. It's the individual user's metabolism and chemical reaction that counts... |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. So the standard needs to be relatively stringent. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #51 |
121. Not when it comes to The Weed... |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. When that is an accepted medical fact, I will accept it. Not before. nt |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. LOL |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Typical response. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. No, it's just a benign little weed that keeps getting knocked around... |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #129 |
134. It will need FDA approval. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. Oh, but the studies that show just that will... |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
56. Another point about which people |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #56 |
120. I can't remember the comedian who said it... |
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ChoppinBroccoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
46. That's An Easy Fix |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. So, what is the halflife of THC in blood? and that is a call for a new test. |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. See the post I made below. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Is there a paypal? |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #46 |
102. I believe you would be broadening the possibility of false positives. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
47. Unlike a lot of people here, I agree completely |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #47 |
92. This doesnt even get into feeding children pot brownies etc. All Good? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
48. OP is completely illogical; there is already a roadside sobriety test. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #48 |
60. Have you EVER heard of someone CONVICTED, for field sobriety, and not given followup testing to corr |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Yes. Moreover, reckless driving is a crime irrespective of intoxication. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I'm not sure anyone would buy reckless driving as field sobriety. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #72 |
85. "field sobriety" is a TEST administered by the police. "Reckless driving" is an infraction. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Yes, and reckless driving is a posthumous way to deal with the issue. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #86 |
103. "Posthumous" means "after death". I can't even guess what you *meant* to say there. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #103 |
108. Posthumous means after the fact, not necessarily after death. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #108 |
112. No. It does not. Jeesus. "Ex post facto" is what you mean. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #112 |
130. You are correct, and it works that way just as well. |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
55. The Colorado legislature was actually working on a Marijuana DUI law, based on an actual blood test. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
66. We don't base our laws on the "level" of alcohol intoxication |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. What is needed is a non-invasive field test. Breath, skin, cheek swab, something like that. n/t |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. Level of intoxification is a composite averaging agreement. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #75 |
80. And legally, it's an arbitrarily set standard. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Thank you for agreeing. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. The fact that the government chooses not to set that standard |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. The call for immediate legalization, with no caveats, is foolhardy. |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #66 |
91. There are tests for the amount of THC in the blood? |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. There are. See post 55. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #94 |
99. I am heartened to find that we can stand on others shoulders instead of reinventing the wheel. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
101. What is the test for sleep deprivation? |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. More than seeing a guy yawn in his hummer. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #101 |
107. Sit through all three Lord Of The Rings extended editions in one sitting. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
106. those issues are issues already, so why should it prevent legalization? |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #106 |
110. If there is a vote to be involved, THAT is how legalization will be prevented. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. perhaps, perhaps not |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
109. The sad thing is the people who will benefit off such testing shouldn't. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. necessary evil. Nothing is ever clean. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
114. BTW, the "some people will say" line of argument is disingenuous. Own your own argument. nt |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
115. What about testing for Oxycontin? Hydrocodone? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
123. Or... legalize and let people face the consequences of their own decisions? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
127. Deleted message |
The Green Manalishi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
131. It should be illegal to test |
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winston65 (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
135. marijuana prohibition is an big industy in this country- |
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Never Stop Dancin (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
143. Pot 2.0 is just too strong - do not legalize |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. tHERE IS NO POT 2.0. jUST FEARMONGERING ABOUT POTENCY. |
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Never Stop Dancin (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. says someone screaming in all caps and a run-on sentence |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #145 |
150. Sorry about the crash and caps. But, losing my keyboard. |
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Never Stop Dancin (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-07-11 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
148. there's simply no way |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-07-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #148 |
149. Lulz. We should continue to lock up people for a harmless herb--because driver competency is so low |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #149 |
151. Here's logic. Says the DUI guy. Why doesn't he go to jail for driving high? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #151 |
156. Oh yes. The all important drunk driving constituency drives most legislation! |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #148 |
169. Oops. Your pizza is here. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
152. with all due respect, that is total bullshit |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #152 |
155. Yes, they are ramping up scrutiny of prescribed high drivers. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #155 |
157. eh? so ramp up scrutiny of high inhalers. |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. You think I intend cops with hypos on every corner? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #160 |
166. No you claimed that prescription drug users are not the same problem, |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
161. And the raping of the white women, we need to get a handle on that |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
162. what we really need is a test for impairment, not intoxication |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. While that is a fine example of logic, that wont reassure the squares. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
164. So the ancient Egyptians had breathalyzers? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
165. Zero tolerance is part of the war on drugs |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
167. Very poor logic behinde this argument |
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WingDinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. See, it aint up to you. It is up to all us voters. You think we can be as insular as teabaggers. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. the teabag loonislature in my state |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-08-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #168 |
171. Huh? |
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