WOW ABC World News leads off with the deaths in Arizona

[malaise]

because of Brewers' removal of funds for organ transplants. Medical peeps are screaming. This is too sad. KO covered this already but finally it's gone mainstream.

Great start RETHUGS

[RamboLiberal]

1. Don't know if they will report but CBS has story posted on website

PHOENIX - A second person denied transplant coverage by Arizona under a state budget cut has died, with this death "most likely" resulting from the coverage reduction, a hospital spokeswoman said Wednesday.

University Medical Center spokeswoman Jo Marie Gellerman said the patient died Dec. 28 at another medical facility after earlier being removed from UMC's list for a liver transplant needed because of hepatitis C.

Gellerman cited medical privacy requirements in declining to release any information about the patient.

Arizona reduced Medicaid coverage for transplants on Oct. 1 under cuts included to help close a shortfall in the state budget enacted last spring.

Officials at the Tucson, Ariz., hospital said the patient's death "most likely" resulted from Arizona's scaling back coverage for transplants, she said.



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/06/health/main7219326.shtml?tag=stack

[Roy Rolling]

49. Death Panels

Sadly, death panels do exist----but they call themselves Arizona Republican health budget committees.

[Lucky Luciano]

50. How such republican death panels never became a democratic talking point is way beyond me. nt

[defendandprotect]

64. One of many talking points never used by Dems ... just as they never used their

supporters -- never called them out for MEDICARE FOR ALL --

or anything else --

On the other hand, GOP has to rent their supporters -- Tbaggers/Kock Bros/oil industry

tools --

Same with everything else they have and paid for --

GOP/Christian Coalition --

GOP/NRA

GOP/"pro-life" fanatics

[oldhippydude]

66. now is our chance!!!

we need to start addressing the phenomenon as JANACIDE..just like last summer folks were talking about Arayanzona, we need to beat their asses in the message war!!!

[savalez]

81. It's because Pub Politicians and Media are awful and disgusting people.

[2Design]

2. katie touched on it too - dem senator said does the cut justify killing people

jan brewer said we don't have the money - cut something else jan - stop killing people

[zbdent]

19. cut jan brewer's pay and benefits to $0.

[howmad1]

65. Jan Brewer: Death Panel Chairperson

[aquart]

70. Governor Death.

[w8liftinglady]

3. I am glad it is getting mainstream coverage

I plan to challenge my neighbors on THIS one.

[malaise]

5. It's going to annoy most of America

and it won't help ReTHUGS with their repeal crap.

[w8liftinglady]

6. I want them to stand and defend allowing children/teens and young adults to die

because they had no access to health care.


I am one of the lucky ones with great insurance.My 20 year-old is now one,too.I will NEVER allow this to go unchallenged.

[malaise]

8. It's going to get very ugly

Watch and see.

[CTyankee]

33. It's about as ugly now as it could get....two deaths due to inhumane policy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. There are other 97 people off the rolls right now

that need to be ON THE ROLLS

[CTyankee]

57. god help those poor people now...

[NashVegas]

56. This Is Beyond Access to Health Care

This is access to extraordinary measures. It's not a right. Sorry.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Actually it is treated as a right

with some exceptions, around first world economies.

Ironically they are the same MEDICAL exceptions that we use in the US... such as a drinker, don't get access to a liver, or age.

But money... that is not a qualifier.

It is called medico-legal ethics... I recommend people get familiar with it, and how these DEATH PANELS break those ethics.

[NashVegas]

77. Money Is Not a Qualifier? Bullfeathers

How long do you think Dick Cheney is going to wait for a heart?


Wake up to the reality: transplants stopped being "the gift of life" ages ago and are now a commodity as much as gas and oil.

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. In the US... not in the rest of the advanced economies

Why we need to have a single payer program and take the fucking profit out of health care

Smell that coffee.

[Mark D.]

61. Sorry

You are wrong NashVegas. Transplants save a lives, it is health care. We can blow up hundreds of thousands of innocents in far away nations for oil at the tune of trillions, we can easily afford giving a hundred or so life-saving surgery for many thousands of times less. We are supposed to have the right to life. Poverty not allowing such a procedure interferes with that right. They should be covered.

[Doremus]

74. When you need a transplant you can tell us if it's a right or a privilege.

We know you won't be needing a heart transplant anytime soon as yours seems to be made of indestructible cold, hard granite.

Welcome to the United States of Give Me Mine and Everybody Else Go to Hell. May you stay healthy --and wealthy-- long enough to enjoy it!

[w8liftinglady]

83. I have counseled patients pre- and post-op for transplants

Their standard of living advances astronomically after transplant.
Heart and kidney transplant patients specifically do extraordinarily well.
pre-op..$200K/year...
post-op,they can work again and support their families.You do the math.

[Denninmi]

4. Yup, it's official. Being sick and poor is now a capital crime in Arizona.

Coming soon to a state near you. Goes well with the "leave your handicapped children at the shelter" advice that Indiana officials put out just before Thanksgiving.

What a sick, sick society. Talk about screwed up priorities. But the 1% got their tax cuts.

[WCGreen]

14. And coming from the party cloaked in Jesus....

This is so egregious and yet the people who support these ass holes will still claim moral superiority.

Healthier Dem's than I should carry placards with pictures of these unfortunates to every republican event and chant you are the death panel, you are the death panel...

[bhikkhu]

38. ...points out a large flaw in repug view of poverty

the "US is the only country where all the poor people are fat" thing. True or not, there is far more to life than food, and far more to poverty than lack of food.

I live below the poverty line myself, and eat well and wisely, but I don't qualify for and can't afford any insurance programs, nor does my family. Its not a daily worry, but any medical issues were to arise we'd be on the chopping block too, so to speak. There is at present no expectation of social mobility toward greater access, and no "downward flow" of services, so poverty is a little like being shoved aside permanently, and still trying to appear as if it were not so.

[Vogon_Glory]

7. Librul Bias! Librul Bias! Librul Bias!

Librul bias! Librul bias! Librul bias! :sarcasm:

And tomorrow morning, we'll hear the right-wing talking pin-heads screaming about 'librul bias' because they're attacking Jan Brewer's fiscal prudence. they'll also claim that their claims that President Obama's still-unfolding health care reforms lead to "death panels" and that what is happening in Arizona under Rethugly state government is positive "proof." :sarcasm:

:argh:


The most upsetting part is just how much of the presently-active electorate is going to buy into that right-wing talking-point.

I am increasingly convinced that the only successful cure for America's continuing love affair with so-called "conservatism" is enough pain so widespread over the rest of the population that Americans will be whispering about what happened under Gingrich, Boosh, Boehnor, etc. decades from now.

:dem:

:patriot:

[w8liftinglady]

9. My dad turned his back on the Republican party for that very reason

"How can I look at myself in the mirror when we allow our own citizens to die,starve,and fight an unneccesary war for the almighty dollar?"

I hope that those who consider themselves true Christians will get the wake-up call.

[Vogon_Glory]

13. I Don't Think We're Getting Good Reception on the Banks of the Red Denial

I don't think that progressives are getting good reception on the banks of Red- and Red-State Denial. Me, I'm not really a proper liberal, but I've met a fair scattering of people who used to be moderate and moderate-conservative Republicans who finally just couldn't stomach what today's Republican Party has changed into.

I thought there were enough of those people, as well as enough wishy-washy people like myself, along with enough genuine progressives to stop this TEA Party (expletive deleted) dead in its tracks in November. I'm still half-dazed and wondering WTF happened.

Here's hoping some more thinking people find themselves wrestling with their consciences as they try to fall asleep. And here's hoping that their consciences have been diligently working out and practicing their judo skills.

[malaise]

16. Not this time

This one will backfire big time. Then there will be the organ donor backlash. The rich even want the organs for themselves. If Cheney opts for a heart transplant, the noise will get louder.
Health care can still break the RETHUGS

[Vogon_Glory]

18. It Would Take A Lot Of Good People Voting

It would take a lot of good people voting to make this evil backfire not only for Arizona republicans, but also for GOPsters and other reactionaries across the country. I just hope that the good guys turn out to vote in much higher numbers than they did in 2010.

[area51]

21. I'd be surprised if this will backfire.

People, including nazi party members, have known for years that 100,000 people are dying per year due to lack of health care, and don't give a toss. I don't think the attitude of one of my former co-workers of "too bad if people can't afford health care" is all that unusual. There's a lot of stupidity in this country to get worked up about a fetus being destroyed, but not care about when an adult is allowed to die due to not being rich enough to afford health care.

[malaise]

25. I think people are way more angry than we believe

We shall see

[quakerboy]

35. Could be

My thought was they would skip straight to blaming it on "Obamacare" and claiming its a part of the bill that was passed.

Im starting to agree with the rest of what you have said. Only I'm not sure that even that is going to be enough. They learned a lot of lessons from the fall of other totalitarian governments, I think. Particularly with the disconnected technological nature of our society, I could see them waiting till it hurts, then taking over by force. Then you are kinda stuck without a chance to have any change to allow us to think of bush and boner as the bad ol days.

[Contrary1]

10. How incredibly ignorant this governor is:

"Brewer earlier Wednesday renewed her defense of the transplant coverage reduction but expressed a willingness to have it reviewed.

"It's something that probably needs to be discussed," Brewer said. "Everybody is concerned about it, as I am. The bottom line is ... that was one of those areas that we could cut and we moved forward on that."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/06/health/main7219326.shtml?tag=stack

"Everybody is concerned about it, as I am. It's something that probably needs to be discussed." :wtf:

Like Brewer hadn't factored into her idiotic decision that white people might die too?

[mudplanet]

12. There's something wrong with her, in the head. I suspect it's dementia

coupled with narcissism.

[felinetta]

22. I wonder if she is on any medications. Heart meds can change a

person's personality. I know someone who became quite mean at
times, which wasn't like him before he took heart meds..

[Enthusiast]

26. What is wrong with her

is that she is a typical right wing freakoid.

[AsahinaKimi]

11. And Sarah Palin

was worried about Death Panels .. sheesh. Leave it to a Republican Governor. This just proves Republicans have NO HEART.

[WillyT]

15. K & R !!!

:kick:

:hi:

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

17. Republican death panels kill

[madmax]

20. Brewer - Death Panel. nt

[Enthusiast]

23. I find it truly amazing

that ABC did that story. AMAZING.

[malaise]

24. I was really surprised - here's the link

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/News/arizona-transplant-deaths/story?id=12559369

:hi:

[Enthusiast]

27. Thank you.

:hi:

[mmonk]

28. Tea Party death panels.

[bluethruandthru]

29. Tthe people who elected all these repugs are always big into cutting government and spending...

it's about time they see what all their cutting is going to get them. Too bad the rest of us have to suffer and die because of their incredible stupidity!

[malaise]

30. They support cuts for everyone except themselves

They earned their 'entitlements' but cut those of others.

[SoCalDem]

31. It won't really matter much.

Brewer was elected by "the people", so apparently "the people" are fine with this sort of thing.

Many people only care about this sort of thing when it hits close to home.. THEIR home.

[blondeatlast]

43. Edit: my mistake; the knuckle dragers beat those of us who eat with forks. nt

[SoCalDem]

44. I thought she ran on her own in '10.. I know she ascended when Napolitano left

There is still hope if you can vote her out:) I thought she ran on her own this time

[blondeatlast]

46. Sorry--realized my stupidity after posting. My big bad.

:hi:

[SoCalDem]

47. no biggie.. I saw her in that "debate" where the gears locked up

I thought she was running:)

[howmad1]

71. The "people" here in Arizona:

are the stupidist electorate in the country. They make the citizens in Mississippi look smart.

[elleng]

32. Excellent that ABC leads with it!

[Action]

34. AZ Deaths

Never forget that it's all about greed, fear, and lies with these folks.

They claim to be Christians, but they are not.

They are repub Christians.

They do not follow the Prince of Peace.

They do not follow the Sermon on the Mount.

They are immoral, disgusting, and will rot in you know where if that is what you believe exists.

[Kyad02]

36. "Brewercare"

CNN just did a story on this and a new Dem state rep exposed Repuke lies about it. he called it "Brewercare". This needs to go viral.

[malaise]

39. Brewercare - love it

Go Dems! Link this to the attempted repeal

[niyad]

40. brewercare--all we need is one of swamp rat's wonderful images to go with it!! calling swamp rat!!

[Chipper Chat]

58. "Brewercare" - found this on G00gle:

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2010/12/15/brewercare-death-by-budget-cut/

[malaise]

75. Thanks for the link

Deserves its own thread.

[oldhippydude]

67. actually

JANOCIDE is a better name, and folks will remember it

[malaise]

76. Get the Teeshirts and bumper stickers going

That's excellent. I love both. :applause:

[valerief]

37. Bootstraps. Freedom. Liberty. Constitution. Pro-life. Blah blah blah. nt

[niyad]

41. repuke health care plan "don't get sick, but if you do, die quickly" (alan grayson)

[niyad]

42. amazing that abc would carry something that makes the repukians look like the sick monsters they are

[SoCalDem]

45. It's safe for them to do it NOW... in the immediate aftermath of the election

but as the next election looms closely, they will go back to "fair & balanced" (against anything democrat & pro anything republican)

[lapislzi]

60. Sick/dead/broke people don't visit Disney World

Or spend their dollars on the overpriced licensed (foreign-made) merchandise being peddled in their gift shops.

[niceypoo]

48. Republicans will overreach everywhere

They are absolute sociopaths and will collapse under the weight of their own extremism.

[fascisthunter]

51. She's a Homicidal Sociopath

extreme? Yes my accusation should be extreme... her policy decision is costing lives. It's tuime the people charged politicians this way everytime they sign legislation. You cause death, you pay.

[go west young man]

53. Best health care in the world my ass. We suck.

[EC]

54. I hope they pointed out that the first that died

even had the organ donated already by a relative...instead a stranger with insurance got the organ, because the money for the transplant had been withdrawn.

[malaise]

55. When people realize that the organs of the working class

will be given to the rich while their own folks die, the Brewers of this planet will have to run and hide.

[SoapBox]

62. Saw it...and was very surprised.

Considering the state of limp news reporting, we
were very surprised that they showed something that
looked badly for Arizona.

...I'll lay odds that tonight, they will soft soap it...

[louis-t]

63. Somebody please post a picture of Brewer next to

one of the Wicked Witch of the West. I keep seeing one video and her expression matches perfectly.

[Betty]

68. from the party that couldn't spend enough on Terry Schaivo

health care only for the rich, and the people who can't actually benefit from it

[alp227]

69. I watched PBS NewsHour yesterday, didn't hear anything about that there

but first learned of the Arizona health care scandal on Thom Hartmann today.

[malaise]

78. KO carried this first on Tuesday or Wednesday

That's why I was surprised at ABC leading with this

[alp227]

79. I haven't watched network news regularly for months now.

Only PBS, MSNBC, NPR, and the Internet. Still, I am satisfied that the networks (I haven't watched the ABC report yet) can still come up with great hard-hitting pieces every once in a while in the sea of overhyped infotainment Lindsay Lohan goes to jail/Mel Gibson leaves threatening voice mails stories.

[sabrina 1]

72. Who needs terrorists when our own elected officials are killing

Americans?

HEALTH CARE IS A RIGHT! These people are un-American, people who would deny the right to life to someone because of money!

Shameful! But sadly, that is just one of the over 44,000 killed by our health care system every year.

[RedCloud]

73. Wait til the thugs move silently behind the curtains.

[bigwillq]

80. I saw the ABC report.

Brewer really is a piece of scum.