where are the "right-to-lifers" on health care?

[w8liftinglady]

you would think they would be front and center on universal health care...I have heard nary a word from them.Did I miss something?

[gratuitous]

1. When they say they're "right to life"

They're talking exclusively about blasto-Americans. Out of the womb, you're on your own.

[malaise]

4. Check the time of our responses

Great minds and all that :hi:

[Mister Ed]

28. But suppose a fetus needs medical intervention to prevent it from being lost...

...and the woman carrying it has been denied health care. Aren't those who've opposed efforts to provide that woman with health care then guilty of murder, by pro-life standards?

[malaise]

2. They only support the right to be born

They are finished with you after that moment. :evilgrin:

[patrice]

9. Except as another prospect for cheap labor or other service. nt

[OneGrassRoot]

3. Great point, especially in light of the AZ organ fiasco. n/t

[Johonny]

5. I believe they already believe we have the greatest health care in the world

thus any change in the system would cause more unneeded deaths. The issue always comes down to if you believe the lies about death panels, the dreaded Canadian health care system, etc...

If you believe the lie then there is no contradiction. People generally believe the lie until they get real sick and really need the system. Then they get a first hand account at how great the system really is.

[patrice]

6. Same place there were on opposition to these WAR$$$$$$$$$$$$. nt

[onehandle]

7. The Catholic Church is in favor of it. But in America, right to lifers are purely...

Anti-anything Democratic. Especially if it involves a Black President.

[hedgehog]

15. I think the bishops were against the bill, but the Catholic Hospital

Association and several orders of sisters came out with strong support. I think the bishops claimed to be all for people getting health care, they just didn't like this bill. My mother was quite upset at the letter from her bishop printed in the parish bulletin.

[onehandle]

17. Well, the question was about Universal Health Care. And The Pope clearly called for it.

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and other church leaders said it was the moral responsibility of nations to guarantee access to health care for all of their citizens, regardless of social and economic status or their ability to pay.

Access to adequate medical attention, the pope said in a written message Nov. 18, was one of the "inalienable rights" of man.

The pope's message was read by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Vatican secretary of state, to participants at the 25th International Conference of the Pontifical Council for Health Care Ministry at the Vatican Nov. 18-19.

The theme of this year's meeting was "Caritas in Veritate - toward an equitable and human health care."

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1004736.htm

[hedgehog]

23. The Vatican tends to be politically liberal (that European Socialism)

but the American bishops are increasingly politically to the right. The cover is that abortion trumps everything else when the election guides are issued. It's a hoot, because right wing Catholics accuse the left wing Catholics of being "cafeteria Catholics".

[mrcheerful]

8. Didn't get the memo again?

Right to life is only concerned with those in the womb, once they are out they are left to fend for themselves or die, none of their concern once birth happens.

[w8liftinglady]

12. crap!I need to pay more attention to things before I wipe with them!

...no pun intended ...

[mrcheerful]

14. Sorry I just happened to have had the mis-fortune of hanging around with a family of early RTL

believers back in the late 60's until the mid 90's here in Michigan and remember one of the early reasons they feared abortion rights was because the second coming might be aborted stopping the rapture. When I asked about how they planned to deal with all the abandoned children or children born to parents that didn't want them, it was no concern of theirs unless they wanted welfare which then it was up to them, the RTL, to make sure welfare was abolished.

[w8liftinglady]

18. I live amongst the Right Wing right to lifers

They could give a shit about a baby once it's born.
The mom's a whore.
they deserve what they get.
"It's God's will"...if you can believe that.

I grew up in a strong Catholic extended family-but NEVER would you have seen a poor family do without healthcare.As much as I dislike catholics,they DO tend to the sick and poor without judgement(or at least they did 30 years ago).

[Arkana]

10. Don't you get it?

It's only "right-to-life" if you're still in the womb. Already born? Then fuck you.

[blm]

11. Busy supporting Republican Governors and REAL Death Panels that deny lifesaving medical treatment

to those who can't afford it.

[Vogon_Glory]

13. As Some Cynical Pro-Choicers Say

As some cynical pro-choicers say, many right-wing anti-abortion activists are "pro-life" from conception to childbirth, although you wouldn't know it from many of their pet politicians' dismal records concerning funding maternal and pre-natal health and nutrition programs.

I don't doubt that there are a very, very few right-wing anti-abortion activists who actually practice a more pro-choice, pro-baby stance, but they're vastly outnumbered by the more typical sort of right-wing anti-abortion politician and they're likely to be targets for would be TEA bagger politicos looking to take out RINOs for spending money on welfare cases.

[DCKit]

19. We're not cynical, just realistic.

No, they don't care about prenatal care either: they'd jail poor women who didn't "eat right" and had bad outcomes in their pregnancies if they had their druthers, too. If you're poor, everything is your fault.

Also, note that it's those who would call themselves pro-life who choose to prosecute disadvantaged children as adults for felony and capital crimes. There is no recognition of cause and effect.

[Chisox08]

16. They love the Fetus but HATE the Child

[HockeyMom]

20. Keep Granny alive, by any means possible,

for as long as possible, regardless of what Granny WANTS. They ASSUME all old people want to live as live as possible, even if as vegetables. "End of Life Death Panels". They are also against Living Wills.

Read the Freepers and you will see.

[IronHorse]

21. They're in the hospital, having babies

And then being unable to afford the stay.

[muntrv]

22. They're pro-Christian-American-fetus only.

[zbdent]

24. When you find them, ask them if fetuses are full-fledged human beings ...

and when they answer in the affirmative, ask them why fertility clinics which don't perform "abortions" are allowed to murder "full-fledged human beings" ...

[TheKentuckian]

25. The "right to life" ends at birth with many of those folks

[spanone]

26. i thought about that today....npr had a story on people not able to get transplants

it's so hypocritical........the fetus trumps all life

[GeorgeGist]

27. They're probably to busy finding Jesus ...

in fetuses.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

29. Why would you think that? I wouldn't. I do think you missed something...

...you misunderstood their messaging completely. They're not what you think they are.