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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 05:46 AM
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Social Security and the Future of the Democratic Party
This is from Social Security Works

1. Public support for Social Security is very high – it is a core value for people so Democrats take it away at their peril.
• Numerous surveys show that 75% to 80% oppose cutting Social Security benefits to reduce the federal deficit. The public understands it has no relationship to the federal deficit because they pay special taxes for it.
• 2010 election eve/day poll showed STRONG opposition to Social Security cuts – 73% Democrats, 72% Independents, 72% Republicans, 61% Tea Party.
• 7 out of 10 voters oppose raising the retirement age. It is especially strong among blue collar voters: non-college men and especially non-college women, which are core labor constituencies in the key battleground states.

2. Democrats have limited credibility on Social Security issue at this point in time.
• Democrats used to crush Republicans when voters were asked: who do you trust to better handle Social Security? Today, they are losing badly to Republicans.
• Election Day 2010 voters favored Republicans on Social Security 31% to 28%. But
• Oct. 2006 poll: 48% Democrats to 20% Republicans
• Oct 2002 poll: 43% Democrats to 20% Republicans
• Oct. 1998 poll: 44% Democrats to 21% Republicans
• Same pattern is true for Presidents:
• Obama on 2010 Election Day: Voters said Republicans could be more trusted than Obama on Social Security by 33% to 26%.
• Bush in 2005: Democrats in Congress were favored over Bush on Social Security by 50% to 37%.
• Clinton in 1995: He was favored over Republicans in handling Social Security by 53% to 34%.

3. A damaged Democratic brand on Social Security will spell electoral disaster in 2012 and beyond.

• Democrats will not win seniors in 2012, but we must hold down our losses to a manageable level – maybe a 10% advantage for Republicans – if we are to hold (or at least minimize losses in the Senate and make up lost ground in the House.
• 2006: Republicans had no advantage among seniors – 49%-49%, when Democrats won big in congressional races.
• 2010: Republicans had a 21% point advantage among seniors – 59% vs. 38%.
• 2008: Republicans had an 8% point advantage among seniors – 53% vs. 45% in a wave election favoring Democrats
• 2004: Republicans had a 5% point advantage among seniors – 52% to 47%
• 2000: Democrats had a 3% point advantage among seniors – 50% to 47%
• 1996: Democrats had a 7% point advantage among seniors – 50% to 43%
• Beyond 2012, Republicans will have an easier time garnering the support of baby boomers if Democratic support for Social Security becomes blurred, an outcome that could impact national politics for many years.

4. Cutting Social Security will demoralize the Democratic base.
• It will be very hard to motivate activists in the party if the President leads the effort to cut Social Security. It will be seen as a betrayal of everything we have worked decades for.
• For unions in particular, the union leader’s credibility with its own members will be at great risk if the President leads the effort to cut Social Security.

5. The President can and should build support for his reelection and congressional Democrats by embracing Social Security as a crucial component of the economic security of American families. He should emphasize that:
• In an economy that is increasingly risky, it is the only program American families can count on to provide effective life insurance for their young children, disability insurance and retirement protection.
• Social Security as a core part of his commitment to protecting the middle class.

6. Protecting Social Security would be a bipartisan bonanza for the President and regain ground lost due to Republicans on Medicare.
• The President wants to be seen as working with Republicans. Why not ask them to join him in pledging to not cut Social Security. He will hit a grand slam with the public, which wants no cuts to the program and would like both parties to work together to protect the program. It will be a surprise move to the Republicans and put them in a box.
• Republicans were very effective in the 2010 campaign skewering Democrats as Medicare cutters. This was probably the single greatest attack Republicans had on Democrats with older voters. This could happen again with Social Security. The way to get this age group back is to go on offense on Social Security.


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affrayer Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 05:53 AM
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I Bet You Don't Remember...
When the senior citizens rose up under Reagan and complained that thanks to his "austerity" programs, they were living on dog food.

That's the charm of the right wingers. They ride to power on a political platform of "government doesn't work" and then they make sure the government doesn't work with a deluge of failed policy. Finally they finish up by blaming the democrats.

Can you name a single political policy of the Bush Jr administration that worked? Now can you name a single republican who accepts responsibility for such poor judgment? Do you think that's going to change with the current crap of flatulent republicans? Hell no...

So don't waste our time telling us Social Security isn't working, instead how about we elect some democrats to fix it...
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 05:53 AM
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1. That is obvious, safety nets for the vunerable in society is necessary.
Edited on Fri Jan-07-11 05:53 AM by RandomThoughts
Especially so people can retire and share experiences.

If they are not raising taxes on people making bonuses, many going overseas, or to multinationals, the argument to cut social security does not make sense.

The problem is a systematic organization, not lack of money. If you look at the economy by production and consumption, there is enough to go around if the right production occurs, and if people are allowed to work in those places, most people want to work.

If there is a shortage of goods, that should be filled, and that includes a shortage of care for people in society. The profit motive does not see that part of the equation.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 06:07 AM
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2. I wonder if the public knows how much more they could have gotten had they socked the funds in the
Financial markets and annualized at retirement.

Maybe if they did, they would realize it's a pretty raw deal.
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affrayer Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 07:19 AM
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4. You missed the train
Under Bush Jr the DOW grew at 0.2% per year.

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 08:23 AM
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7. I was looking at my account the other day and I must have done a lot better than that.
But hey it's better than looking at social security and thinking I'll get none of it back. That would be a 100% loss.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 07:39 AM
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5. Did you miss the part where the stock market crashed?
What if you were retiring then and had no choice but cash out your investments? You would have been lucky to get half the money you put in. What if you bought into Madoff's ponzi scheme? What if you bought into ENRON or WebVan?

Financial markets are much more risky than Social Security.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 08:11 AM
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6. Investments aren't only stocks you know.
The return on bonds are pretty darn good over the last few years.

And anyone who puts all their money in Enron is an idiot. You never put everything in one place.

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affrayer Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 08:46 AM
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9. I would disagree
The return on bonds are pretty darn good over the last few years.


Depends on what you consider "darn good."



As for the rate or return on Social Security it appears to be way to complex to calculate...wink wink!

http://www.brookings.edu/testimony/1999/0511saving_burtless.aspx">As noted above, workers' overall rate of return on their contributions to the retirement system will be an average of the return obtained on their contributions to individual accounts and the return earned on their contributions to whatever remains of the traditional Social Security system. For most current workers, this overall rate of return will be much closer to the current return on Social Security contributions than it is to 8%.
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badtoworse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 09:07 AM
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10. If you're ready for retirement and still have all your money in stocks...
...you're an idiot. Someone in that position needs a balanced portfolio - maybe 50% stocks, 40% bonds and 10% cash
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 06:14 AM
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3. K&R-I think-and hope-the Democrats in Congress understand this. I emailed
my Democratic Senator-Bob Casey- and got a very long and personalized response stating that he is well aware of the need for vital social security and medicare programs and that the Democrats will support both programs against the GOP.

But it is always a good thing to make your representatives aware of your needs and opinions.


mark
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 10:21 PM
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13. Did it include a promise to vote against raising retirement age
--and cutting benefits?
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Still a Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 08:45 AM
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8. Do you have a link to the polls in #2?
Thanks.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 10:34 PM
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14. The info was forwarded to me by Strengthen Social Security
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 09:43 AM
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11. Toast

Both the party and Social Security.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 09:48 AM
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12. I agree but there is nothing rank and file Democrats and activists
can do about it if the Party leadership decides otherwise. We go down with them.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 10:46 PM
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15. K&R....n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 10:51 PM
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16. K & R !!!
:kick:
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