Who do you want for President 2012

[Parche]

Poll question: Who do you want for President 2012

[rosesaylavee]

If we run anyone in opposition to Pres. Obama,

it will surely be a republican pres in 2012. Were you thinking 2016 instead of 2012?

[obxhead]

14. I remember hearing that argument nightly for months on end.

It was when Hillary and Obama were ripping at each other and neither would back down.

Look how valid that turned out.

[rosesaylavee]

20. Well, ok, let's ignore history and just have the DEMs run against each other.

I am sure it will work in our favor 'this' time.

[obxhead]

21. So you're saying that argument was not made throughout the

primaries in 2008 and that Obama did not win with a majority of the votes after them. That or you're saying we should completely ignore that history in favor of some other history you are not pointing out here.

Or you are simply fearmongering.

[rosesaylavee]

26. Nice. Make your argument that I am fearmongering.

Perhaps your memory of the Carter Administration has grown dim, Dems did run a primary that year and the result was Reagan. Tho Carter ran, the thinking was that his energy and monies spent against his DEM challenger (Ted Kennedy) were what lost that race.

I don't care what happened or who said what in the 2008 primary. Getting a DEM president to the 2nd term is what's under discussion here.

[obxhead]

33. Ah, so you your real objective is getting Obama to a second term.

Any other Dem would be a first term.

First off, Obama is not Carter, second Repubs have no Raygun to run against anyone that comes out of a Dem primary.

So your argument does not hold water. You are clearly fearmongering.

[rosesaylavee]

35. Rather than fearmongering, perhaps we just disagree.

I think having a primary in 2012 would be a waste of time and would have negative results. My objective is having a DEM president win in 2012. President Obama has the best chance at that.

And btw, if I really wanted to scare you I could. :smoke:

[BlueDemKev]

24. No Republican could have won in 2008

The country was fed up with Bush, the Republicans put up a horribly-weak candidate who couldn't rally the party's base to support him, and the market crash in September of that year all but sealed the deal.

The Democrats must be united going into next year. The divisions of the past two years hurt us very badly and look at what happened in November as a result. When we're not united, we cannot define ourselves and it allows our opponents to define us instead (i.e.--LIE about what we intend to do).

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[rosesaylavee]

1. ..

dupe delete

[Hell Hath No Fury]

2. I would love Russ to run --

though I would be very OK with Howard Dean.

[Peace Patriot]

3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt. nt

[mmonk]

25. +1

[Arkana]

4. Considering that Barack Obama is the only one of those people

who will be on the ballot, I'd like Barack Obama to be President.

[Laelth]

5. Um ... what's the picture of the Delta jet for? n/t

-Laelth

[monmouth]

29. HA! I was going to say what a lovely photo, and where was it from except

for the damned plane....

[ladjf]

6. I would settle for any smart, honest and emotionally mature person. nt

[Ganja Ninja]

7. Bernie Sanders

[notesdev]

11. add me to that

Bernie Sanders... or Dennis Kucinich works for me too.

[Kalyke]

8. Wes Clark.

He should have gotten the nomination in 2004: intelligent, attractive, Southerner, liberal, populist, understands the MIC and has challenged it and could bring in a lot of independents.

[Renew Deal]

9. He would have been a contender in 2004.

But he wasn't great at politicking.

[notesdev]

13. too dangerous

The guy nearly started WWIII over being butt-sore about the Russians beating him to Pristina airport:

http://gawker.com/5689607/the-time-james-blunt-stopped-world-war-three

[Gaedel]

32. Too easy to Swift Boat

Halberstam in his book "War in a Time of Peace" (about the Clinton foreign policy 1992 to 2000), speaks at length about Wes Clark and his background. Since the book was written before Clark got involved in presidential politics, Halberstam didn't have an axe to grind. Clark was certainly not very popular among his military peers (except within his own clique) and stepped on a lot of fingers while climbing the ladder of military success. I would imagine that GOP oppo research would have had a field day talking to former military officers and getting Wes Clark stories.

[Kalyke]

40. LIke the GOP doesn't take shots at any challenger for any reason.

:eyes:

[Kalyke]

39. Good Lord - that was debunked to death in 2004.

Where were you?

Gen. Mike Jackson, himself, said the media made far too much out of the conversation - which was just heat-of-the-moment shit.

Besides, I would rather hope no one would take Jackson's side of any argument, given his prominent role in the Bloody Sunday attacks that killed 13 civilians in Ireland in 1972.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/jackson-denies-bloody-sunday-shot-list-was-to-get-army-off-hook-583513.html

[Champion Jack]

10. J.R. "Bob" Dobbs

[whatchamacallit]

12. Ham Sandwich

would be fine at this point, as long as it's an authentic liberal.

[jaxx]

15. We have President Obama who will run in 2012.

Vote for him. Why would a Democrat do anything else?

[whatchamacallit]

16. Lol nt

[jaxx]

18. What's funny?

Aren't you going to vote for the Democratic President who is in office?

[whatchamacallit]

55. Depends

In the unlikely event Obama is challenged by a viable democrat or progressive independent, he will not get my vote. What I found lol-worthy is your question "why would a democrat do anything else?"

[SidDithers]

48. You really want his ass...

don't you whatchamacallit.

Sid

[whatchamacallit]

56. Not at all

unlike people calling for prosecutions of Assange and Manning, I want no such thing for the president. I just want him to do his job on a higher level than suck.

[Horse with no Name]

17. A REAL progressive? I LOVE Lloyd Doggett!

:loveya:

http://doggett.house.gov/

[ceile]

38. Shoot. I wish he'd run for gov first...n/t

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[Turborama]

37. Is this the level DU has sunk to?

Really?

[Erose999]

42. I will re-direct the question to you. What does it mean to be a "Democrat" anymore? Now that our

elected "Democrats" are:

1.) Not only supporting, but also expanding unnecessary, unjust wars
2.) Endorsing cuts to SS, Medicare, and the rest of the social safety net
3.) Supporting union busting, supporting trade agreements that send jobs overseas
4.) Forcing a mandate on us to participate in the same private insurance ponzi scheme that ruined healthcare

etc etc etc.

If "winning elections" is all that matters, and principles are "negotiable", then I'm out.

[Turborama]

49. Redirecting what from where?

Your Faux news like insults towards President Obama were offensive.

That is all.

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[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. An anti-war progressive. Which eliminates Obama and several others on the list.

[Vinca]

27. My first choice would be Bernie Sanders, but of course he will not run,

so whoever isn't a Republican.

[totodeinhere]

28. This poll is not exactly a ringing endorsement for Obama.

So far he has 39 votes and others have 37 votes. BTW, I voted for dean. But if Obama is the nominee, and he probably will be, of course I will vote for him.

[lumberjack_jeff]

30. A Democrat. What's up with the airplane photos? n/t

[mmonk]

31. A hard core progressive is needed.

A trust buster should be a quality desired. I'm not sure how deeply these candidates are to one.

[Iggo]

34. The Democratic candidate in the General Election. (n/t)

[Fla_Democrat]

36. Is "GORN" an acronym for..

Good Ol' Ralph Nader? :evilgrin:




:hide:

[hfojvt]

46. that was pretty funny

video of the Gorn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p4xMQevkpI

[mvd]

41. I'd like a challenger from the left to voice the disappointment..

I and others have felt. But since there probably won't be a viable challenger, Obama will be who we have. And he is definitely better than the Repukes.

[BlueIris]

43. I will take Anyone/Anyone, thanks.

For all the difference it's going to make.

[marmar]

44. You want a Delta 727 for president?

:P

[Capn Sunshine]

45. Oh Yeah, Russ Feingold

Guy couldn't even keep his Senate seat. Thanks for the support DUers.

[Morning Dew]

47. You forgot Jimmy McMillan. n/t

[fadedrose]

50. I honestly don't think it matters

A Dem would be much better than a Rep, but between the candidates I don't think there would be much of a difference.

I guess it depends on which corporations you'd like to see helped.

[lpbk2713]

51. I don't think Grayson is ready to run for Prez ... but

I'd give serious consideration to anyone who ran for Prez with Grayson in the Veep slot.

It would give Grayson some seasoning and prepare him for a future run for Prez.

[ooglymoogly]

52. Aint it quaint how you left off someone who might actually win

Alan Grayson, while putting names who have absolutely no chance whatsoever.

My choice; Alan Grayson with Sheldon Whitehouse, Berni Sanders, Anthony Weiner, Al Franken et al; any of in second.

[raouldukelives]

54. The only person they would allow to primary against Obama

Is another conservative.

[SidDithers]

62. Who is "they"?...nt

Sid

[MilesColtrane]

57. Other: Candidate Obama, circa 2007

[superduperfarleft]

58. It doesn't matter what I want.

Obama will coast to re-election in 2012, barring a plague of locusts or something.

[MzNov]

59. A big scarey Union leader

who takes no crap and runs a big scarey woman union leader as VP. Someone who we might not know about yet, but who is shouting liberal progressive values from the rooftops. Someone who knows how to spin and market and frame the issues based on the reality that the working middle class is being slaughtered. And someone who hasn't already caved to the current president's agenda.

Then I will delight in watching the end of these rat bastard repukelicans and democrats who "work with" them.

[B Calm]

60. What a bullshit list! NO Bernie Sanders?

[walldude]

61. I'll go the Mark Twain route

I want the person who wants the job the least to get it.

[11 Bravo]

63. Other: ME! I'm the only one who will govern exactly as I wish, and at DU nothing else matters.

[SidDithers]

64. +1...nt

Sid

[Lasher]

65. Hmm, 77 votes for Obama.

And the exact same number of votes for the other selections combined.