NH House goes over the edge.

[Tesha]

Completely....

This proposed bill is just one of over 800 - and there are nuttier one's

2012-H-2504-R requiring the courts to give every woman who gets a restraining order a gun and box of
ammunition and provide her with instruction in shooting.


http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/ols/nhlegislativelsrlisting.pdf

[MannyGoldstein]

1. That's pretty impressive

Wow.

[aikoaiko]

2. At least that's in the interest of protecting victims of violence.

revolver or pistol? I wonder.

[Sanity Claws]

3. maybe a musket

[Warren Stupidity]

18. no it is just full on stupid

[aikoaiko]

20. You may think its misguided, but it is in the interest of victims to be able to protect themselves.

To be honest I've helped a person like this. A young adult gay male was in a crazy situation where a homophobe was making threats. Yes the police were involved and a protective order served, but he had good reason to still fear for his life. We went to the range, practiced a bit, and he went home with a revolver and a box of ammo from me as a loaner.


Stupid? Perhaps to you.

[Warren Stupidity]

26. There is nothing to prevent a woman in NH from purchasing a gun.

What is massively stupid is for the loonislature, a loonislature that is allergic to all things socialistic, to impose gun socialism on people.

[xfundy]

4. What's not to love?

The gun and ammo makers profit at the get-go, then the woman goes and shoots someone, maybe several people, with the newfound sense of power a gun gives, so she gets sent to a privately owned jail, so the jailco profits, as do its partner corporations in providing cheap, nearly inedible food (packed full of chemicals and bio-shit--big profit in that!), supplies ranging from medical to linens, and of course new jails must be built, hopefully with low-skilled, minimum wage workers, making those partner corpo-rats even more money—why, it's just PERFECT for the inside corporate donors of repigs in a Christopublican world!

As for everyone else, if they didn't commit a crime, let them try to buy their freedom via corporate law firms' expensive lawyers. If they can't afford it, well, they must be a sinner or worse for God to have cursed them to lack of education and/or lack of knowing the right people. Riff raff! If Jesus hates them, who are we to question God's decisions?

[krispos42]

12. Would I be correct in assuming you've never held a gun? n/t

[Scuba]

14. Why would you assume that?

[krispos42]

21. Because I would.

Because it sounds like a point of view of a person who's primary contact with guns is seeing criminals wield them, and who does not own or use one themselves, nor do they know anybody else that does.

[Scuba]

23. For what it's worth, I thought xfundy's comments were right on the mark....

... and I am a lifelong gun owner, hunt and shoot trap regularly. Oh yeah, I love shooting my Colt Gov't Model.

What I don't like is the gun business running over the rest of us. The NH deal is ludicrous.


I see no reason why we can't have reasonable gun laws. Some, like this fellow, seem to feel that any prohibition on weapons is un-Constitutional.

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[krispos42]

25. Then maybe I'm just weird, then, because I don't get those feelings

Of course, I have historically shot either by myself, or as a mentor to a much younger person, so there wasn't a lot of Rambo machismo oozing whenever I went to the range, either.

I mean, I can see that when people are discussing the topic of self-defense and general ass-kicking while shooting at the range it's pretty easy to slip off into "Die Hard" fantasies for a while. And a little escapism never hurt anyone.

But the "I've got a gun so I'm your God, motherfucker" attitude is foreign to me. I assumed it was also largely foreign to the gunnies on DU, which I like to believe are intelligent and empathic people, as well. And that attributing those attitudes as normal and typical probably wouldn't be done by a person that understood, studies, and enjoyed guns on a regular basis.



And an F-15 itself is not a weapon, so having one, while very very cool, isn't a 2nd Amendment issue.

[Tesha]

24. I'm not xfundy, but I can assure you you'd be wrong if you made that assumption about me.

When I was young, my dad taught me to shoot.

And I know Mr. Tesha, in his youth, was a fair
shot with a rifle.

So my opinion isn't completely uninformed here.
What this law ignores is the fact that for a gun
to provide any additional safety for the woman,
she *MUST* be willing to shoot to kill. Any less
and her government-issue gun will simply be taken
from her and used against her and, quite possibly,
her loved ones.

And meanwhile, our Republican Legg will have to
cut other programs to pay for this useless one.

Tesha

[Scuba]

13. Bingo.

[aquart]

5. Does it provide for medals to be issued if she gets a kill?

[Renew Deal]

6. Guys will be sending their wives in to get restraining orders

:wtf:

[SolutionisSolidarity]

7. Old West style socialism.

Maybe we can let the homeless people fetch some vittles from ye Olde People's Saloon while we're at it, eh comrade?

[inna]

9. apparently, you don't have a clue what socialism is

struggling to make sense of your post, but looks like there's none;

i have got to give you credit for your screen name, though.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

10. I'm just surprised conservatives are talking about the public provision of goods to the people.

Why is it ok to Republicans for the state to distribute guns to domestic violence victims, but not ok for the state to provide housing to homeless people or healthcare to the sick? The only answer I can think is that the former plays to the primitive violent fantasies of their electorate, while the latter does not.

[mahina]

8. Depends on what problem you're trying to solve I guess...

I can't say anything about the NH Lege but I do know that a restraining order is worthless when the man wants to kill you.

"Slain Mother and Daughter were Inseparable"
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20100821_Slain_mother_and_daughter_were_inseparable.html


One of so many...

[madinmaryland]

11. I am sure the gun apologists are salivating over this law. nt

[Azathoth]

15. That's actually rather clever

Oppose the bill and be labeled a supporter of violence against women. Some whackball must be pretty pleased with himself for coming up with that one.

Personally, I'd vote the bill down, and then say I did it because it discriminated against men. Two can play at the wedge issue game.

[Danmel]

16. Wow

What if she accidentally hits someone else while aiming at hubby? Dies she face charges? Is she civilly at risk? Crazy!

[Warren Stupidity]

17. That's my Loonislature!

Ya gotta love em just for the comedic farce effect.

[Vinca]

19. Oh, jeez. I live in NH and I hadn't heard of that one.

Our state government has turned into an asylum for lunatics.

[dsc]

22. unless they can instill a willingness to shot the man into the woman

this is worse than worthless. Nothing is more dangerous than having the victim have a gun with no willingness to shoot.

[HopeHoops]

27. I lived in NH for ten years - what's "over the edge" about that for NH?

:shrug: