"No! I won't trust in God!"

[Zebedeo]

Loughner


From the same video:

"I didn't write a belief on the Army application and the recruiter wrote on the application: None."

[toddaa]

1. That's a relief

Now we can all go back to blaming atheists for everything.

[Zebedeo]

4. Not saying that other atheists are to blame

for this one atheist's actions.

[toddaa]

5. Of course you're not

Only atheists use broad brushes.

[Zebedeo]

6. Atheism was apparently one of his motivations

but that doesn't mean that you or any other atheists are homicidal maniacs. I am sure that you are not.

[toddaa]

13. Atheism is very motivating

I know I wake up every morning fighting back genocidal urges, due to fundamentalist, militant atheism.

[readmoreoften]

19. Atheism was not "one of his motivations." Being irritated at a government established religion may

have been.

[ChoralScholar]

8. What's the label for people who use broad brushes on atheists?

Just wonderin'

[toddaa]

14. Painters

I use a power roller myself.

[ChoralScholar]

16. Cool. That Wagner thingie might be more efficient.

[sarge43]

7. Why you assuming he is an atheist?

Not trusting a possible supernatural entity and not believing such an entity exists is not the same thing. Further, posting None for religious affiliation on military paperwork doesn't automatically mean the individual is an atheist. It just means the individual claims none. That's how all of mine read and I'm not an atheist.

edit for missing word

[toddaa]

15. Must I include a sarcasm tag on everything?

I'm not the one doing the assuming.

[sarge43]

23. Didn't say you did.

I believe my post is linked to the OP's.

Sorry, my bad. It is linked to yours.

[toddaa]

25. nevermind

the little line thingies don't always point to what you think they do.

;)

[sarge43]

26. So I found out.

Thanks for understanding. Things are a bit heated right now. :P

[gateley]

10. No, I think it just speaks of someone who is so isolated and alone

that he can't even find hope in a God. I'm not excusing him for any reason, just making an observation.

[Taverner]

2. Dog only knows Patty Pat will cite this the reason

MILITANT ATHEISTS! OH MY!

[Lost-in-FL]

3. Took a long time for something like this to appear. nt

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[briteleaf]

11. Big brother, Uncle Sam

What business does the military have in asking members what their beliefs are? If the military ever had reason to inquire couldn't they just do an anonymous, voluntary poll? What don't we understand about the separation of church and state?

[Zebedeo]

18. I assume it has something to do with

arrangements in the event of the death of a servicemember.

[The Midway Rebel]

20. "What business does the military have in asking members what their beliefs are?"

They don't want to stick a cross on the grave of a Jew or Muslim?



:shrug:

[sarge43]

21. Because many people want a chaplain handy if they're near to being

shipped home in a body bag -- for one. That why there's room for religious affiliation on dog tags. That's why None is stamped on mine.

Yes, we have separation of church and state which is why the military can not, does not, deny its members access to their religion.

[Statistical]

22. It gets put on your dogtags. Last rites, and how to properly handle the body.

[W_HAMILTON]

12. ???

I assumed he said that because of his issues with our money, not because of his religious beliefs.

That makes his second statement make more sense, too.

I don't see either of these statements pointing to him being an atheist.

[frogmarch]

17. The recruiter wrote "None."

Loughner didn't. He seems to have found it remarkable that the recruiter assumed he was an atheist because Laoughner didn't name a religion. How does someone not naming a religion on an application indicate the applicant is an atheist?

But if he's an atheist, so what. Maybe he doesn't believe in unicorns either.

[Statistical]

24. The recruiter wasn't assuming anything.

Most military forms need to be filled out completely to avoid someone changing it after the fact. A blank space is not definitive. It could indicate someone didn't answer the question, understand the question, or notice the question.

Thus form is filled out completely and then recruit signs it. If he felt "none" was wrong he could have asked for a new form with different response.

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