Charles Manson never actually killed any of those people himself

[kpete]

Charles Manson never actually killed any of those people, he just told his followers who the enemies were and where they lived...



i am going to plaster this everywhere....kpete

[flvegan]

1. I've always made note to say that very thing in times like these.

[Faygo Kid]

2. Well stated.

[robinlynne]

3. quite a point.

[Electric Monk]

4. Sarah Palin deserves a fair trial, too.

So does Osama Bin Laden.

She should be easier to find.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

13. +1

Brilliant

[walldude]

5. Kpete...

the criminal charge would be Depraved Indifference Homicide, I posted about it here. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x141034
The charge fits. But I can already see that there are too many even on DU who think that he's just some nut. If we can't get a consensus from supposed liberals that this has gone too far we'll never get one from politicians or the courts.

[kpete]

6. walldude

watching fox right now and feel like puking

How could this happen? - they have the nerve to ask!

[walldude]

10. Ahh the innocence ploy...

Moi? Incite Violence? No no we were just targeting seats not people. :eyes:


I give up.

[mrcheerful]

7. Actually Charlie wasn't at the Tate murders, the La Blanca murders

he was placed inside the house as well as family members testimony stated he went in to show the family how he wanted it done and they said he pulled the trigger on at least 1 of the victims.

[alcibiades_mystery]

48. Neither of the Labianca victims was shot

Manson did enter the Labianca house and tie them up, then sent in the others to kill them.

Manson was almost certainly directly involved in other murders committed by his followers - primarily that of Shorty Shea, who Manson himself probably shot to death.

[mrcheerful]

51. Yeah sorry I just remembered it wrong and had been doing some research on the subject

I just remembered something I read about the Family turning on Manson during trial. After some reading I discovered I was wrong.

[customerserviceguy]

8. To compare Manson to anyone who merely used political rhetoric

is absurd, and any attempts to push this line of 'thinking' will bring ridicule upon those pushing it.

[kpete]

11. but it is ok

to say this idiot was not influenced?

I WILL NOT BUY IT!

Political rhetoric killed today

READ THIS:
Gary Hart
Posted: January 8, 2011 04:52 PM
Words Have Consequences
So long as we all tolerate this kind of irresponsible and dangerous rhetoric or, in the case of some commentators, treat it with delight, reward it, and consider it cute, so long will we place all those in public life, whom the provocateurs dislike, in the crosshairs of danger.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gary-hart/words-have-consequences_b_806250.html

[customerserviceguy]

12. Did anyone on the political right

tell anyone to shoot this Congresswoman? If not, then it's absurd. Hopefully, the President will not stumble into the 'logic' used on this thread, he will find it a lot harder to get out of than merely holding a beer summit.

[kpete]

14. answer

[customerserviceguy]

16. Yeah, the general public

will certainly equate "targeting" a political opponent for defeat at the ballot box with orders to shoot and kill.

If I were a Repuke, I'd pray to my invisible imaginary sky-father that Democratic leaders would make this comparison. It's like trying to say that Arthur Bremer was acting on behalf of the civil rights movement when he shot George Wallace.

[walldude]

20. That list was posted after she told her people to RELOAD.

How about you answer a question since you have so many yourself.

How can you sit there and deny this?

[customerserviceguy]

26. I just expect the vast majority of the American public

to make a distinction between political rhetoric, and the actual command to go out and shoot someone. I realize that some here are having trouble making that distinction, I expect the President and his staff to have cooler heads when discussing this incident.

[Politicalboi]

40. "We" understand that

"They" don't.

[Jamastiene]

54. "Why would they try to make people hate us?

I guess Michelle Obama and the Secret Service can't make that distinction either. So, we are not alone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x150728

[MH1]

28. then there's this

http://yfrog.com/h5p7wp

Edit to add: that's a png image so I guess it won't show up here. But it is a picture of an ad for a campaign event for her opponent, which says something like: "Fun campaign event: "Help remove Gabrille Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly"

[walldude]

18. Of course they didn't.

They just said "RELOAD DON"T RETREAT" And then posted a hit list with names locations and crosshairs. And then when they were done with that they said "I want you armed and dangerous against tax increases"...

Sounds like some innocent political fun to me.

[customerserviceguy]

24. The word 'reload' used in a political context

does not mean "shoot somebody". If you have a complete and utter abhorrence of weaponry, then you might be horrified by that language, but the vast majority of the American public doesn't feel that way.

Yes, it's a very tough day, and while it's safe to scream that the sky is falling on this site, I expect the President and those around him to have cooler heads when this is being discussed.

[Vickers]

35. You're so pretty. n/t

[madinmaryland]

37. Wow, just wow! I can't believe anyone would say that.

:wow:

[Ikonoklast]

41. "Second Amendment remedies..."

Sharon Angle said that.


What say you?

Let me see you spin that one.

[progressoid]

43. President and those around him?

I'll bet what's left in my 401k that they and most of DC are now ramping up security because of this. For them, the sky has fallen.

[lapfog_1]

49. You watch this speaker at a Tea Party rally

and try to spin this one for me too. "If ballots don't work, bullets will" (Gabrielle had the audacity to defeat a Tea Bagger!... i.e. ballots didn't work!).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJP9xB5Eoa0

Spin away.

[eridani]

31. Yes, as a matter of fact

“They're afraid they'll have to fight for their liberty in more Second Amendment kinds of ways? That's why I look at this as almost an imperative. If we don't win at the ballot box, what will be the next step?” – Sharon Angle; Tea Party Poster Child; from 2010 US Senate campaign.

[Divine Discontent]

17. the absolute fact is that this assailant targeted an elected official, one who Palin called out as

a Democrat who they portrayed as being targeted in her SarahPac crosshairs graphic.

what more do those who doubt the connection of brainwashing and violence need?

:mad:

[customerserviceguy]

27. Way more than some silly political graphic

and you're going to be quite disappointed to find that out, as this story unfolds.

[Ikonoklast]

42. Then why is Palin scrubbing her 'silly political graphic' from her website?

Whay are all the he-man gun-toting Teabagger wannabe politicians busy scrubbing any pics of them holding guns or references to political violence from their websites?


You have always beeen an apologist for the right, on this website.

Always.

[customerserviceguy]

52. It's true, they are trying to scrub those images

probably out of sensitivity for the victims. But there was no intention by anyone (with the possible exception of Sharron Angle) who actually called for anyone to be shot.

As for my views, I've lived in big cities and small towns, and I know that not everyone in America thinks the way that most people at this website do. They're simply not going to connect the dots between this poster and this shooting. It's much more likely that they're going to connect this shooting with the everyday political violence that goes on in Mexico, which has spilled across the Arizona border.

[Union Scribe]

34. Some of her followers rise to the level of cultish

And she knows that. Yet she chooses to throw out that violent imagery and rhetoric. The analogy isn't that far off.

[B Calm]

9. Sarah Palin and Charles Manson have an awful lot in common. . .

[bluesmail]

15. It's always bothered me also. What a f up POS this planet has become.

:tinfoilhat:

[JoePhilly]

19. Shake the crazy tree and hope that a few nuts fall out.

That is what Palin, Beck, and Limbaugh are doing.

Why get caught up in an assassination conspiracy when you can get an insane person to do it for you without ever meeting them.

[Drale]

21. manson was trying to start a race war

Something else the repulse seem to be trying to do

[glinda]

22. Excellent point.

[Lint Head]

23. You have been reading my mind. Do we know each other?

[stranger81]

36. kpete is also reading my hubby's mind.

He said the same thing about Palin = Manson to me this afternoon.

What I wouldn't give to see the day when the name "Palin" is just as vilified as "Manson."

[whatchamacallit]

25. Point! Hate speech should be treated like falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded theater. nt

[aikoaiko]

29. While I think Palin needs to be held accountable by the public for her rhetoric.

I'm can't see charging her with murder or even conspiracy as Charles Manson was.

[Kurovski]

30. K&R. (nt)

[B Calm]

32. K&R

[Faryn Balyncd]

33. K and R.......Thanks.

[Gemini Cat]

38. Excellent point.

k and r

[rocktivity]

39. And he was going to blame it on black people, too.

After all, no sane white people would conspire to do such a thing!

:headbang:
rocktivity

[lonestarnot]

44. FWB call to action!

[TK421]

45. Palin has a crazier, scarier look in her eyes...Manson is at least behind bars

[FarLeftFist]

46. WOW I just posted a similar post without even seeing this one first!

Great minds think alike!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

47. "Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?"

This kind of stuff goes back quite a way.

[B Calm]

50. She might not have a swastika tattoo on her forehead, but who knows about

what's tattooed on her ass!

[onenote]

53. from a legal standpoint, not a particularly apt comparison

Manson personally planned and directed the Tate killings. He didn't just publish an ad with a bullseye on some houses saying the people in those houses should be targeted to lose their jobs.

Palin's ad was inappropriate political discourse and should have been condemned by those on her side. But not everything that is inappropriate is illegal under the Constitution.