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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:54 AM Original message |
There are NO "Fringe Leftists" posting at DU. |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
1. bravo! |
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DocMac (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
78. Why can't we link a post like this to facebook? |
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sce56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #78 |
135. Just copy the URL for it and link it on your facebook page! It's easy I allways do it |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
2. recommend |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
3. Thank you, thank you, thank you for this post. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. Yup. n t |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
5. Outstanding OP. K&R |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
6. I've been here since 2003 and have seen people advocate for the confiscation of personal property |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Yep, there have been a couple of communists here over the years. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
64. I disagree. I can think of five or more |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
181. I think you missed the point. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #181 |
200. Fringe Left? Maybe Pol Pot. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #181 |
243. I find it amusing that you conflate "fringe left" with authoritarianism. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:00 AM Response to Reply #243 |
284. Please go on. Give us some examples. nm |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 03:03 AM Response to Reply #284 |
344. Let's see... |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #181 |
312. Thank you for the clarification |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
147. Let's see ... were Native Americans "communist" or was Columbus a fascist ... ???? |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #147 |
339. What do Native Americans or Columbus have to do with this discussion? |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
63. There is a difference between personal |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
94. ENDING CAPITALISM DOES NOT MEAN CONFISCATING PERSONAL PROPERTY |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Thank you - |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #94 |
108. For you |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #108 |
121. If by others you mean Marxists then you are wrong. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. I'm not talking about communists or marxists |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Then I apologize for misunderstanding you. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #127 |
233. Somehow I missed the Stalinist, too. He would have been fun to kick around. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #233 |
242. Eh, for me, Stalinism is the end result of Trotskyism regardless. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:41 AM Response to Reply #121 |
273. I take the Grateful Dead approach to private property |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #94 |
208. Because people are fed anti-Socialist propaganda their whole lives. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #208 |
240. I agree there's an indoctrination there, but it's self-consistent. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #94 |
237. Capitalists do not distinguish between private property and personal property. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
206. Bullcrap. Even the most extreme Commumists are not for confiscating personal possesions. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
236. I think the term "personal property" was used intentionally to deflect from "private property." |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. Yep. What you said. 100% |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
199. And yet I favor seizing Koch and Murdoch property under RICO. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #199 |
221. I'd go with that -- the oil companies as well -- !! |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 03:38 AM Response to Reply #199 |
280. I'm with you!.......nt |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
8. I favor the nationalization of the oil industry, and that is about as far |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. Strict Government Regulation or Public Ownership of: |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
222. +1 --- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
148. Natural resources are part of the commonwealth -- should not be in private hands -- !! |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #148 |
245. +1,000,000 |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:34 AM Response to Reply #148 |
343. On C-Span: Rep. Session said during the budget hearings.... |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 12:47 AM Response to Reply #8 |
263. I favor confiscatory inheritance taxes and I know that is fairly |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. k&r |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
10. Beautiful post. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
12. Hear hear |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
13. Thanks! I noticed that the latest smear is "emo" - k&r |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
14. Interesting. However, I have heard many call for the end |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Maybe -- But often those are talking about a specific form of deregulated pirate capitalism |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. True. nt |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
150. +1 |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. +1 Agreed. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
285. You agree that if someone says they want to end capitalism, they are fringe left? Where in the |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
34. Thank you - you have a good memory. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
57. No, what you have heard and will continue to hear is an |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
152. +1,000 |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
154. Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime -- thank you! |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
196. Thank you. nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #57 |
211. I don't think Marx was anti-Market per-se, IMO. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:45 AM Response to Reply #211 |
275. Indeed. How else would you allocate discretionary income? |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
220. +1 n/t |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
58. all that requires is the end of corporate personhood... |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #58 |
226. the supremes- and why obama has to win 2012 |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
72. Eliminating usary, or greatly restricting it is considered ending capitalism |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #72 |
155. At one time in America, usary was limited to 6% -- |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #155 |
207. The debate has been pushed so far to the right |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #207 |
212. You're right of course ... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
153. Ending capitalism does NOT mean confiscation of anyone's property .... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #153 |
232. D&P, ending capitalism certainly means the expropriation of capitalist property. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
286. So where do you stand re. capitalism? You support unregulated capitalism? Not very Democratic. nm |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
15. Excellent. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
16. FDR was a long time ago |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
159. FDR was not long ago enough for the right wing!! They're still fighting the New Deal ..!! |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
17. Eggs Ackley.....You have hit on the crux of it |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
41. The country has changed |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. The more things change...... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Some agreement, some disagreement |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Reply |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #52 |
291. Thanks, you too |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
93. Excellent statement, Armstead |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
216. You are falsely equating Socialism with Centralized Economic Planning |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 03:30 AM Response to Reply #216 |
279. And you see tons of the younger type participating a socialist market economy |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #279 |
309. The Upper Midwest has a very strong co-op tradition. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
165. But do you not see that is simple rw propaganda ... ? The New Dems are part of the RIGHT .. !!! |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
18. Hear hear. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
19. f 'n a -- they know it's dishonest smearing when they do. |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. thank you bvar |
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disillusioned73 (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
20. k&r.. |
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reformist2 (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
22. K&R. It is so inspiring to know that American leaders 60+ years ago had such high aspirations. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
166. Not spoken about often enough -- !! |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
23. Well said! |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
24. And the Democrat party has failed miserably in actually trying to achieve any of these. |
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reformist2 (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Perhaps, but getting people to believe they have a right to these things is half the battle. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
146. Agree -- Koch Bros. DLC infiltrating the party for 20 years certainly wasn't pushing that agenda!! |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
192. What party is the 'Democrat' party? |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
307. I think you mean the Democratic Party. |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
25. K & R |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. The means of production should be expropriated..... |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
28. K&R. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
30. It's pretty funny, watching people who claim to be mainstream Democrats |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Funny is one word for it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Monday is too early in the week for an accurrate description. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
61. That was my reaction as well. nt |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Probably don't even know what's in the platform - for them it seems to be a popularity contest. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
56. Deleted message |
defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
167. While applauding more corporate money into Obama's pockets ... !!! |
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Gin Blossom (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:09 AM Response to Reply #30 |
267. I'll jump on this sub-thread too. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 02:07 AM Response to Reply #267 |
276. Yes, I come to DU to learn stuff. And the handful of people here |
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Gin Blossom (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #276 |
304. That's putting it diplomatically. Yes they don't have much to share |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #304 |
341. I haven't seen one of your posts in a long time. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:11 AM Response to Reply #30 |
287. They dont support the Democratic platform. They are New-Democrats or Old-Repukes. nm |
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Agony (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
32. Nice! I'd be happy with, one person one vote, instead of, one dollar one vote... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
170. Thank you -- Great point -- !!! |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
33. Amen |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
35. divergent standards |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
59. Your "middle" doesn't exist - |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #59 |
81. Great example of what I mean..... nt |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:03 AM Response to Reply #81 |
265. Do you support the interests of the working class, i.e., those who must provide |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:48 AM Response to Reply #265 |
295. I support ending the lie that one can do without the other (nt) |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #295 |
314. I'm sorry, but the working class CAN do without the owner |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
203. Well, "totalitarian" communism was the far right -- not the left -- |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #35 |
310. They don't need a single party system by name when they have one already |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
39. K&R |
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Flubadubya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
42. Hear, hear bvarr22 |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
116. Yup - they act just like conservative assholes. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
209. Actually, I think it's the Dem Party that 20 years of Koch Bros DLC infiltration .... |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
43. Thanks, bvar! |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
46. Apparently you haven't read too many of my messages. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. There are like a handful of us - I could do it by name if forced. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Yep. See my post above....... |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:37 PM Original message |
+1 |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
139. +1 |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:12 AM Response to Reply #68 |
268. It really comes down to whether one supports the interests of the |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #268 |
317. "still served some legitimate and relevant social purpose" |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #317 |
322. I'm with you. The hereditary class of wealth-holders in this country are, imho, |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #68 |
311. And those that want to PUSH Obama to do the right thing are told to just sit back |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
85. If only us |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
99. There are many more of you - |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
114. PRobably. Then again if you name your website "Underground", you're bound to attract some |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
47. HELL FUCKING YES. |
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frustrated_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
48. K&R, well said. |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
49. Hear. Hear. Outstanding. |
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Sportsguy (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
51. K & R. Wish I Had Your Way With Words |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
53. Every time I see someone say that I have to wonder if they get out much. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
54. Well said bvar22. |
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SaveAmerica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
55. Checking in; 1 Mainstream-Center Pro-Working Class FDR/LBJ Democrat advocating FOR traditional Demo |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
62. Darn, what do I have to do to be a fringe leftist? Nothing seems to please you. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
65. K&R |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
66. Three Cheers! |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
67. k&r |
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pam4water (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
69. R&K! |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
70. Kicked and recommended. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
71. Thanks, bvar! nt |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
73. top |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
74. excellent post! |
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Hotler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
75. k&r n/t |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
76. It amazes and disgusts me that some frame the "center" of the party as Reagan or so |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
77. I'm a socialist but I only practice it with personal stipends in our house |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #77 |
269. Your family exemplifies the old Socialist aphorism: "From each |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 02:21 AM Response to Reply #269 |
277. You are wholly correct |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
79. If you live on the Left Coast, you may possibly have actually met fringe leftists |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #79 |
313. And the reason FOR that attitude my dear eri |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #313 |
328. I'd call the 50 years from the start of the New Deal to 1980 a reasonably good run for regulation |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #328 |
331. Compared to?......... |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #331 |
332. And BTW, relating back to the OP, |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 03:26 AM Response to Reply #331 |
345. If we don't regulate it, it will go down, one way or another |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #345 |
349. I use the words that are meaningful to a group |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #349 |
350. Even if you don't blow off electoral politics, far too many on the left did and do |
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blkmusclmachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
80. Professional Left here. |
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liberal4war (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
82. There might not being anyone here advocating the confiscation of private property, but it happens |
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dissidentboomer (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. LBJ made mistakes and Vietnam was one of them - a big one, just like Iraq. |
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dissidentboomer (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. I'll just add that the more they move to the right and confiscate the people's money, |
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liberal4war (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. You say that, but I don't buy it. Just look at the Obama administration |
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dissidentboomer (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Very true. I was only speaking for myself and a few other folks I know |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #91 |
324. Well, I believe when Little Boots was governor of Texas |
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The Green Manalishi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #86 |
100. They only call it 'class war' when we fight back |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #82 |
234. That's perfectly valid expropriation under the 5th amendment. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
83. Proud to be K & R 152. n/t |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
87. Leftists don't advocate for confiscation of personal property. |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Since corporations want to consider themselves people....... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #90 |
140. "what's considered to be the middle has been "adjusted" to the right" |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #87 |
168. "Leftist" may not, |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #168 |
182. Personal property? No. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #182 |
191. Under Pure Single Party Authoritarian Communism, |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #191 |
251. I'm sorry but that's nonsense. Pol Pot did not confiscate personal property. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:50 AM Response to Reply #191 |
296. What nonsense |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #191 |
329. I think you are chasing a mirage. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #329 |
338. And THAT is precisely my point. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #168 |
250. Eh, authoritarians are not leftists, they're right wing. Read the Liberal FAQ by Kangas. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
88. Yes. Most DUers are trying to think of ways to make capitalism work |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
89. so there aren't any real socialists posting here? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. There are several 'fringies,' but traditional Dems are the majority |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
105. Well there is me and a few other Marxists. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:26 AM Response to Reply #105 |
270. I'm a Marxist in principle, although I'm not sure there is a single |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #89 |
119. Socialists aren't "Far Left". |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. For sake of accurcay I should reply to this, |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #119 |
190. X |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #89 |
130. Delete |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
92. Thank you! K&R! |
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The Green Manalishi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
96. To some here, FDR or LBJ would be considered "far left" |
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dissidentboomer (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. That, I think, is a fact and continues to just freak me out. FDR and LBJ would, I think, |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Which is quite a joke - since it was socialist pressure (particularly in the unions |
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dissidentboomer (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #104 |
115. I do think that PART of the reason that FDR pushed the slate |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. It is - |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
98. Erhhm, actually I think I *am* a 'Fringe Leftist'... so there is at least one. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. Excellent post |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #107 |
138. Heh... does that make 2 "fringe leftists"? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #98 |
246. FDR signed into law labor killing laws which ultimately led to labors demise. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 04:21 AM Response to Reply #246 |
281. Well cheers on the raise :) |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #98 |
315. Plus about a million Willy |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
103. Have you seen the Latin America forum? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #103 |
227. No, actually, they don't. What they are talking about and what |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #227 |
229. Actually, |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
106. Wise person, that bvar22..... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
109. Only Emo Leftists. |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #109 |
123. Every time I hear that term, "Emo Leftists"... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #123 |
174. originally it was Emo progressives or emogressives |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #109 |
126. Emo? Are we in high school again? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #126 |
171. it's a joke. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #171 |
178. My bad. In my defenese you never know what new smears conservatives will make up, |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #178 |
180. Not your bad, I should have left this thread alone. |
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gordianot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
110. A truly excellent description of a Centrist Democrat of the FDR tradition. |
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mochajava666 (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
111. K & R |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
112. Net recommendation: +179 votes (Your vote: +1) |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
113. Remember, the League of Women Voters and the UAW are "fringe leftists" to the right. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
117. Great post! nt |
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canoeist52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
118. Old-Timey Classic Democrat checking in here! A fine post, bvar22. |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
124. Fantastic post. |
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Cyrano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
128. This is one of the best and truest posts I've ever read on DU. Thank you bvar22. |
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raouldukelives (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
129. Big K&R |
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tnlurker (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
131. I agree |
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Steepler0t (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
132. Proud Lefty here |
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Eyerish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
133. K&R! |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
134. A lot of the trolls that try and start wars between liberals and moderates |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
136. Thank you bvar22!. .This is not saild often enough... |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
137. K&R for FDR/LBJ Dems everywhere! |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
141. "Whatch you talking about Willis!?" |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
142. Wanting to primary Obama is pretty fringe in my book. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. DU is not fringe. Sometimes, because it pays close attention, |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #142 |
151. You have to understand that no one thinks that THEY are the fringe. |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #151 |
156. You are on the fringe |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #156 |
169. Bwahahaha ... yea ... I hate the values of the new deal and great society!!! |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #169 |
175. if you share these values |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #175 |
179. I did not marginalize anyone. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:18 AM Response to Reply #151 |
290. What are "fringe" issues that you dont agree with? nm |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #142 |
160. So is Bernie Sanders fringe to you now? |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #160 |
193. No, unless he runs in a Democratic primary against Obama, as some DUers seem to want (nt) |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #193 |
214. So it really is all about the brand and not about the issues for you. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:17 AM Response to Reply #193 |
289. LOL. So your definition of "fringe" depends on whether he runs or not, not his |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #142 |
201. Thank god you aren't the arbiter of all that's true and good in the world |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:15 AM Response to Reply #142 |
288. You are making the OP's point. You equate everyone to the left of Pres Obama |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
144. Almost everyone on DU agrees that neither of these statements are not facts: |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #144 |
157. Deleted message |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #157 |
162. OK, but |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. Deleted message |
Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #162 |
321. Classy. nt |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #144 |
173. Oops, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #144 |
176. Deleted message |
Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #144 |
218. Red Herring. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:23 AM Response to Reply #144 |
292. Your double negitive threw me off. But I will say your statements are absurd. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #144 |
319. Finally something we almost agree on - |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
145. Thank you -- wonderful reminder -- !! |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
149. You saying we never had any LaRouchies posting here? |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:35 AM Response to Reply #149 |
272. OT, but are LaRouchies 'leftists' of any kind whatsoever? The ones |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
158. This post deserves long life. nt |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
161. Fantastic Post...Bravo! Bookmarking this for future reference. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
163. K & R |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
172. I must be fringe then. I advocate for complete public ownership of all modes of production. nt |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
177. the fringe I'm worried about |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
183. This may be the single best post I've ever seen on DU |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
184. from what I have seen this place runs the gamut |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
185. Deleted message |
Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
186. K&R. Brilliant. |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
187. There is a fringe in this country |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
188. Deleted message |
chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
189. Bravo bvar22 |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
194. Excellent! Thank you! Rec'd. (nt) |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
195. K&R -- Definitely agree. When foks talk about Far Left |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
197. You're right about the fringe leftists |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #197 |
210. If you are referring to this: |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
198. The RW MSM labels the "fringe left" as people who want corporations to follow the law & pay taxes. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #198 |
301. Apparently so do the New-Democrats. nm |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #301 |
334. There's nothing new about "New Democrats" |
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larwdem (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
202. Agree 100% |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
204. Hear!! Hear!!! A HUGE REC for a great post. nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
205. K&R for a fellow Minnesotan Progressive! |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
213. Thank you for being a voice of reason. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
215. Hi bvar 22 -- saved this OP -- and think that we can now file away .... |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #215 |
224. +1 n/t |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 12:18 AM Response to Reply #215 |
259. How about 'Emo Progressives' ? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
217. Deleted message |
joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
219. I'm fringe left, I do not believe in private property, and I support Obama. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #219 |
223. Deleted message |
joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #223 |
231. Yes, there are many people to the right of me who don't support Obama. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #219 |
225. Just curious as to why you support him, |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #225 |
230. It's because he's slowing the collapse of the country faster than any realistic alternatives. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #219 |
247. no such thing as pro-war, pro-imperialist left, sorry to burst your bubble |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #247 |
249. I'm not pro-war or pro-imperialism, sorry to dispute this dishonesty. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
228. I am an FDR leftist and always have been. |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
235. Thanks for providing context and clarity! |
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Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
238. K&R |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
239. Well, I'm a Leftist, and I like Fringe |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
241. I was so naive when i came to DU. It's folks like bvar who have opned my eyes. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 12:54 AM Response to Reply #241 |
264. Bvar ever leaves DU I'm leaving! |
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StevesRedLens (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
244. Calling them "Fringe" only plays into the Repub dialogue |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
248. woo-hoo! happy to be net rec +350! |
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LeftPole (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
252. and on the other side, it didn't say nothin... |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
253. A million times this. |
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padruig (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
254. appreciate the sentiment ... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 12:13 AM Response to Reply #254 |
258. How would Ayn Rand's followers be considered even imitation leftists? |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #258 |
340. What I got from that post was someone trying to discredit progressive radio shows. n/t |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
255. I would prefer collectives or co-ops to corporations: one person one vote beats one dollar |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #255 |
257. Same here, if they don't come with The Party. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
256. Beautius! K & R! |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
260. DU has gone rightward over the past 2 years. |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
261. Thanks man K&R n/t |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
262. Yeah.all that fringe-y stuff |
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RoccoRyg (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
266. I've been saying this forever. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
271. Not even one? |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
274. Awesome post for the debate and conversation it has stimulated. K n R - n/t |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 03:29 AM Response to Original message |
278. K&R! |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
282. Let us give them a fifth of November that shall not be forgot. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
283. I disagree. Supporters of Grayson, Kucinich and Feingold, e.g., are way out of the mainstream. |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #283 |
297. What someone is and how someone is characterized are two different things. |
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donf (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #297 |
303. I agree . . . |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #303 |
325. Indeed. nt |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 02:16 AM Response to Reply #297 |
342. Exactly! I've told this story before and I'll do it again |
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Agony (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 05:52 AM Response to Reply #342 |
346. The Century of Self documentary describes that pretty well... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #283 |
300. Nobody "representing the heart of the Democratic Party" would EVER |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #300 |
305. Thank you, bvar22! Well said! |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #283 |
302. The New-Democrats and Republicans agree with you. But I challenge you to tell |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #283 |
308. wrong, DUers overwhelmingly supported John Edwards in those primaries |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #308 |
330. No, Sir. |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #330 |
333. dueling polls |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #333 |
335. You are correct there. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #283 |
323. If Obama represents the heart of the Democratic Party |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #283 |
336. Deleted message |
bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
293. K & R (n/t) |
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greiner3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
294. The only thing I would add is; |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #294 |
298. + 1 (nt) |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
299. And I keep saying that the political middle in regards to the population |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #299 |
327. ...and you would be correct. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #299 |
351. Yes. Against these useless wars. for same sex marriage, |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
306. I challenge you New-Democrats to tell us what issues you think are "fringe". nm |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #306 |
316. +1000000000 I long ago discovered that |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #316 |
326. They refuse to reveal that their goals match those of the Republicans. nm |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
318. One should generally eschew always, never, all, or none |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #318 |
337. I agree with you, |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:54 AM Response to Reply #337 |
352. +10 for making me laugh |
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Riverman (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
320. Rec. I fully associate myself with these comments |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 07:31 AM Response to Original message |
347. You would have had another recommendation |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:15 AM Response to Reply #347 |
353. kr |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-27-11 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
348. Yep, the fringe left or far left is Communist, contrary to what the RW pretends. |
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steve2470 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
354. k & r nt |
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Agony (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
355. I propose the immediate confiscation of ALL your personal vegetables |
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