Loughner had graffiti arrest Oct 2008 - street signs said letters meant Christian

[RamboLiberal]

Jared Loughner, the suspect in a mass shooting that left Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords critically wounded, was cited in October 2008 for criminal damage-graffiti after someone saw him using a marker to deface a street sign with symbols, reports from the Marana Police Department and Marana Municipal Court show.

He denied any involvement during an initial interview with a police officer, but in a second interview, he told a police officer the letters he had painted stood for "Christian."

"I asked Loughner the meaning of his moniker. He stated that the 'c' meant Christian and the 'x' also meant Christian," the officer wrote. The officer drew the moniker in a police report, noting next to it in parentheses, "As personally written by Loughner on my field interviewing notebook!"

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Court records show the case was dismissed on Dec. 9, 2008, after he completed some type of diversion program.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/10/20110110gabrielle-giffords-shooting-suspect-loughner-graffiti-brk10-ON.html#ixzz1AgB4sxs3

[GSLevel9]

1. so he saw a sign that had the letters C and X on it...

and defaced them because they're Christian symbols? mmm Hmmm.... or the self styled atheist went around painting Christian symbols?

[arcane1]

3. I think what he is saying..

is that the symbols he wrote on the signs are what stand for "christian"

[RamboLiberal]

4. I read it as he wrote the symbols "c" and "x" on the signs

[robinlynne]

5. self styled atheist? Dont put him in our group. very few extreme rightwing atheists in the world.

[GSLevel9]

8. oh he's an atheist all right. And no right winger.

I just read all 120 of his posts on Above Top Secret and while he has the Treasury/Gold issue, he also calls Bush's invasion a WAR CRIME and clearly states his atheist beliefs including praying to god as to talking to a toilet. And he's a registered INDY and didn't vote for the TeaBagger candidate in November's election.

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. He's a libertarian

[GSLevel9]

13. they guy's too insane to have a political stripe...

if he were a libertarian or involved in the TeaParty why didn't he vote for the TeaBagger candidate in November? Answer: he's a loon, a really sick man.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Yes, he's probably more insane than political

But his writings are more libertarian than republican or democrat.

[GSLevel9]

15. and more anarchist than all 3.

He doesn't quote Jefferson or Madison like the TeaBaggers always do... he talks about a vague government conspiracy to control grammar and a whole buch of whacky stuff that I'm just too tired to type :D

Read all 120 posts here: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/erad3.html

that's his user profile with post list. Have fun with it. I guarantee you're actually going to walk away feeling sorry for the guy.

[KathieG]

35. Has it been confirmed that those are Loughner's posts?

I keep seeing references to the posts at ATS, but I haven't seen any news stories or reports confirming they are his.

[GSLevel9]

42. The admins seem confident

And huffington linked to them today. We'll know for sure when fbi traces ip records amd his hdd. The confidence from ats admins makes me think his forum sign-up form may have contained his full name? Eventually we'll all know.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

16. Then, he's too insane to have a religious position too.

Hence, no atheist.

Hey, it works!

[robinlynne]

51. i dont know who you are, but you certainly dont know who he voted for in

the last election. That would be a crime. He is a white supremacist. Extremely right winger. They don't come much more right wing than that. the Tea Party is trying to spread the false notion that he is not. they have already been caught trying to do so. Are you trying to help in that mission?

[timtom]

19. Why is he a "self-styled" atheist?

Is he out of conformity with an atheistic orthodoxy?

[Liquorice]

2. It seems like Loughner was running all over Tucson acting bizarre, and yet

nobody gave him the help he obviously needed.

[27inCali]

6. Of course he was Christian!

RW Jew-Hating Christian Militant Fundie

[MattBaggins]

7. His writings would indicate an atheist

Might have to claim this one.

[ffootball278]

50. I don't think so.

This guy was all over the map with what he wrote, read, and believed in. Look at what his friends said about him... I watched a video of him burning a flag. Who does that lump him in with. The Communist Manifesto? Where does that put him? Too many people are trying to put him in a particular box to benefit their cause. He was a registered independent and did not even vote in the last election. I hate to see so many people trying for the "gotcha moment" in politics. There enough kooks in this world that they cover all flavors of people and groups. It is what it is. A guy with some severe twisted mental problems.

[ffootball278]

9. Where were his parents in all this?

I wonder why his parents did not get him any help? You would
think they had to know he was mentally ill. 

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. Perhaps they tried

We don't know and I won't judge them.

Until you have lived with mental illness in your family you have no idea how hard it is to get help for them.

[amyrose2712]

47. +1000

[SoCalDem]

49. yup..especially once they pass 18

most parents will not toss them out on the streets and live day to day, praying that something will make them "ok"..or that they will grow out of it.

Psych care costs more than most families can afford, and you cannot force someone who is technically an adult, to stay on meds or keep appointments.

[ScreamingMeemie]

12. Yes. It's his parents' fault. Let's blame them.

[LisaL]

17. Considering he was living at home, did they not notice anything

peculiar about his behavior?

[ScreamingMeemie]

18. I did not notice anything peculiar about my husband's behavior...

...and then he killed himself. It was probably my fault too.

Sometimes loved ones, yes even the loved ones of those who struggling with severe mental issues, don't see it. It doesn't make any of it something that should be answered by, or blamed on, them. I deal with my husband's family blaming me 24/7... after all, "I should have seen something." I can't stand it when someone posts a what about the parents/spouse/friends. In a perfect world, they would notice. But then, so would I have. I would have never let him leave the house that day. And...I have to live with that.

[Liquorice]

20. That's not the same. Loughner is clearly psychotic. EVERYONE who was around him noticed. nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

23. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't.

My children tend to be perfect in my eyes. And it is very hard for me to find fault in them. Right now we have a handful of people who say they noticed this about him, and it could very well be true. Is that EVERYONE to you?

Do you really think blaming the parents is fair? Thanks for caring. It's appreciated.

[Liquorice]

36. Psychotic people do not fly under the radar. Their behavior is unimistakably insane. If someone

you loved went pyschotic, you would know it. Oh and I'm not blaming the parents. I didn't even mentioned his parents, but they did know he was pyschotic. What they did about it, I don't know.

By the way, my sister in law committed suicide, and the signs were only there in retrospect. It was nobody's fault that we didn't catch it. It's not your fault that your husband killed himself either.

Also, I have no idea why you are thanking me for caring, and I find it a little weird...

[ScreamingMeemie]

40. Google BTK killer.

Have a nice night. I'm a little weird in that I'm polite in my conversation. Sorry to offend. I'll try to be ruder next time. Cheers!

[RamboLiberal]

27. Heck even the first Walmart he tried to buy ammo at Saturday

Noticed it and refused him. Too bad 2nd Walmart didn't.

[ScreamingMeemie]

32. Too bad they couldn't log it on their system.

[Recovered Repug]

38. Sometimes the hardest thing to see,

is what you see everyday. Maybe they didn't want to admit a problem. Maybe they thought it was a "phase". Who knows?

[LisaL]

21. The college he was attending noticed his behavior was peculiar

and suspended him until he got an evaluation from a mental health official.

[ScreamingMeemie]

25. So again, let's blame the parents.

Did his parents go to school with him. This is a 20-something year old man. I have a daughter in my house that same age. She's here right now and I have no idea what she's up to, as an adult. That's probably my fault too.

[LisaL]

28. And so you are arguing no one could have done anything at all?

[ScreamingMeemie]

30. That's not what I'm arguing. I'm responding to the original "Where were the parents?"

when this is not a child or teen we are talking about, but a grown man. There is enough blame to go around. I think I'll take a wait and see attitude on his parents.

[LisaL]

33. A grown man who still lived at home, and as far as I know

had no job. And who got suspended from college until he got an evaluation from a mental health official. I certainly wouldn't describe someone like that as an independently functioning adult.

[ScreamingMeemie]

37. Yes. Even then.

I responded to all of your questions and you have just reposted them. Were they notified by the college? I haven't seen evidence of that, unless what Ramboliberal is saying is true. Interesting reading on loved ones can be found by google searching the BTK killings. I tend to believe his wife when she said she had no idea. The man was crazy, yet led a stable family life for decades. So, yes, even then.

[LisaL]

41. The college sent letter to the parents home.

"The college administration immediately suspended Loughner and delivered a letter of suspension to Loughner's parents' home. According to the Pima, police officers spoke with both Loughner and his parents."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/10/national/main7231560.shtml

[ScreamingMeemie]

46. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=170452&mesg_id=170452

[cali]

22. but his behavior was strange- he was kicked out of college for it after multiple

incidents.

[LisaL]

24. And the college demanded he got an evaulation from a

mental health official in order to be let back in.

[RamboLiberal]

29. And I read 2 police officer delivered letter from college to their door

[ScreamingMeemie]

31. Link? I hadn't seen that.

[LisaL]

43. Right here.

"The college administration immediately suspended Loughner and delivered a letter of suspension to Loughner's parents' home. According to the Pima, police officers spoke with both Loughner and his parents."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/10/national/main7231560.shtml

[ScreamingMeemie]

26. I flunked out of my second semester of college.

My parents were not notified. Should they, in the case of Loughner, been notified? Probably. Were they? I haven't seen evidence of that yet.

[Celebration]

45. they were notified n/t

[MattBaggins]

34. I have two kids

If they grow up jerks it will be my fault.

[ScreamingMeemie]

39. You will blame yourself but, if they are mentally ill, it will not be your

fault. But, you will blame yourself.

[ffootball278]

48. I was not blaming the parents...

I just asked "Where were the parents?" What did they know about his condition? Had they tried to address his condition? I have not seen anyone else asking these question? If I want to access blame then it is on squarely on the gunman. He is a nut. He is the one that planned this act and carried it out.

Sooo many people made comments, wrote letters, knew he was screwed up in the head. I wonder how many complaints the Police or Sheriff had and what they did? There is some hefty liability for "failure to protect" that stemmed out of a family violence case that came out of a northern State over 15 or so years ago. What previous knowledge did they have about this guy? There are different types of mental illness and some are harder to recognize than others but it appears this guys illness manifested itself in a very obvious way. Just wondering...

[fascisthunter]

44. Wow...is this Thread Being Actively Unrecced?

I figured more folks would be hitting this.

[formercia]

52. Considering all the reich-wing trolls here today

They're competing with each other to see who can post the most apologist response.