Calls for the assassination of elected leaders do not equal calls for justice for war crimes.

[howard112211]

The point is being made now that because "the left" called Bush a war criminal, called for "his hanging" etc. they are the same as people who want to assassinate Democrats. Here is why this is bullshit: The Bush administration were actual criminals who stole an election and started wars of aggression.

The difference between the left and right is that the right is making shit up and living in a delusional world. Their attacks are not based on facts. If the Democrats were the tyrants who the right claims they are, then yes, an armed uprising against them would be justified. The point is that they are not. They are rightfully elected, in accordance with the requirements of the constitution. They are not "taking away your freedom by force". If the Democrats were actually "deporting people into camps" and "creating death panels" then, hell yes, an armed uprising would be justified. The point is that all of these things are completely fabricated bullshit.

If there ever was a time in US history where we were close to having constitutionally justified grounds for an armed revolution, this was in 2001. Back when all of these self proclaimed revolutionaries were dead silent. Even then it was questionable, because of the role of the Supreme court. Now? Hell no. We are under a legally elected government, and any attempt to "overthrow it by force" is nothing short of a fascist coupt.

I stand by the following statement: George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice, and several others, should be put trial in Nuremberg. They should be convicted for crimes against humanity. Then they should be hanged until dead.

I refuse the notion that this is the same as what the right is doing. One is a legally sound call for justice. The other isn't.

[Mojeoux]

1. This is an important point.. The rw terrorises, the lw Is devoted to non-violence.

a truth is truth, like gravity.

[howard112211]

4. No one who is not a complete pacifist can argue that polticial violence is never justified.

In fact, Obama used his nobel prize speech to make the case for justified-violence.

The point is not that conditions cannot exist that would justify violence, the point is that the Tea parties are liars when they claim that those conditions are fulfilled today by the Democrats.

The conditions are: 1) Tyranny. 2)Aggressive Warfare.

These are the same standards which were used by the Nuremberg trials to produce sentences.

The fundamental problem of the Tea party is not their calls to violence, it is their utterly false claim that we are living under tyranny, which is a complete lie.

What constitutes tyranny is not a matter of opinion. There are objective criteria that determine whether tyranny is present, and they are not fullfilled today and certainly not by the Democrats.

The people of Nazi Germany were in fact justified to attempt to assassinate their leader. As well as the people of places like, say, Iran. But not in the US, and certainly not under the present conditions.

[90-percent]

2. I'm with you, man

"George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice, and several others, should be put trial in Nuremberg. They should be convicted for crimes against humanity. Then they should be hanged until dead."

I would prefer life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. And 20,000 hours of community service.

-90% Jimmy

[seabeyond]

3. and i never heard the hang until dead, since most on du are against capital punishment.

people certainly did and do call for them being charged with their crimes. and most of us are just fine with jail.

again, talking our judicial system dealing iwth it and not assassination

[howard112211]

5. you know, I would settle for abolishment of the death penalty

and life in prison for the above quoted. I just wanted to formulate my point in a more drastic way. If I had a choice between getting Bush executed and abolishment of the death penalty, I would choose the later. But I do not think that Bush etc. should be spared from a punishment that other people can have inflicted upon them.

[RainDog]

6. anyone who claims the desire to see justice in a court of law is the same as assassination

is an idiot.