Some interesting info about Jared Loughner's home life

[cali]

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ne former close friend of Loughner's said he went from a stable high school student to a violent, self-medicated "monster" after his girlfriend dumped him during his junior year of high school.

Zachary Osler said that Loughner, who would walk around with his jaw and fist clenched, spent "excessive amounts of money" on drugs.

Osler said Loughner consumed marijuana, cocaine, psilocybin mushrooms and the hallucigenic salvia.

"There was no political motive in this, was just angry at the world," he said.

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Osler also said that Loughner's favorite quote was, "Out of chaos breathes creation."


Osler, who spent a lot of time at the Loughner's home during high school, described the family's home as "cold, dark and unpleasant" and added that he always felt "unwelcomed."

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/jared-loughners-family-remains-imposed-isolation-tucson-shooting/story?id=12587114

[Cid_B]

1. "There was no political motive in this, was just angry at the world," he said.

The local Sheriff and some others here obviously know better than this kid who actually knew the shooter....

He must be a tool of corporate masterminds...

[patrice]

7. "high school"

[tridim]

20. Hell, I was a freaking republican in HS.

But I never voted for one. Thank gawd.

Second year of college I was actively campaigning for Jerry Brown.

[Puregonzo1188]

26. I kind of agree. This guy was seriously mentally ill and was starting to show signs of it, but many

of the facts they bring out about him in high school don't seem that unusual for a high schooler.

[scarletwoman]

9. A "kid" who knew Loughner in HIGH SCHOOL. Loughner is now 22 years old.

It's at least 4 years since the time that this "kid" is talking about. I don't know about you, but my life, attitude, habits, and influences changed considerably between my H.S. graduation and my early 20s.

I'd also point out that those who knew Loughner more recently, from when he was in Community College, said that he had stopped smoking pot and had seemed to mentally detoriate thereafter.

As for what the Sheriff knows, he knows what was in the reports from the previous contacts that the police had with Loughner.

[SaveAmerica]

21. Yes, Scarlet, and it has been mentioned that he broke off contact with friends

This person doesn't know what he was watching now, where his mind is, it sounds like no one knows what was going on behind those eyes.

[wickerwoman]

10. Then why didn't he kill his parents, or his girlfriend, or his community college classmates,

or any of the dozens of people that he was angry at/about? He didn't go off on the Walmart employee who refused to sell him bullets. He didn't stalk the biology teacher who turned him in or attack the military recruiters who rejected him.

He went to a political rally and shot a judge and a congresswoman. How could it not be politically motivated, given all of the other possible targets he bypassed.

[Tsiyu]

41. +1000 n/t

[patrice]

13. Strip all political context out of it and consider it strictly from the perspective of "Shouting

'Fire!' in a crowded & darkened theater". A person such as JL would not even have had to hear the word "Fire" to have been caught up in the dangerous hysterical stampede in the dark.

Inflammatory speech doesn't require a political context to be inflammatory.

[bullwinkle428]

19. So the "DIE BITCH" note they just found, meant he decided

to substitute Gabrielle for the girlfriend that dumped him 5 years ago?

I don't think Plastic-Man is capable of making a stretch like that!

[Joe the Revelator]

2. I think its interesting that Loughner fell off the map to EVERYONE the last two years....noone who..

...is giving incite into his life knew him from 07 on.

[patrice]

17. If there were TP connections do you think those people could threaten others with lawsuits? nt

[Arctic Dave]

3. His junior year of high school?

WTF? Really? Is this what they are saying set him off now, his girlfriend dumped him in high school? Talk about grasping at straws. What next, no pony when he was five?

[Cali_Democrat]

11. No kidding. n/t

[Canuckistanian]

23. Jinx n/t

[Canuckistanian]

22. No kidding

When I graduated HS, I was a totally different person than I was in 10th grade. It's perfectly normal to change radically during that period in life.

[xchrom]

4. Recommend - for the details alone. Nt

[enough]

5. What gave him the idea of targeting and attempting to assasinate a US Representative? (nt)

[Kurovski]

8. Politics, of course.

Hatred of government.

[patrice]

14. Not necessarily, it could simply have been the accessibility of a suggested target, nothing more.nt

[Kurovski]

15. Sure, why not? (nt)

[slackmaster]

18. He had a strange personal beef with her, described in a Mother Jones article

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message?page=1

[emilyg]

29. Thanks for link.

[shanti]

43. schizoaffective disorder or schizophrenia

that what this sounds like :(

[LisaL]

33. He went to meet her in 2007.

Apparently she didn't answer his question to his satisfaction (not that anyone could). I would guess ever since that he held a grudge.

[Kurovski]

6. Schizophrenia appears in early adulthood.

Prior to that, there may be no cues.

[starroute]

25. My cousin became schizophrenic when his fiancee dumped him

He was in college at the time, and my aunt told my mother at first that he'd had a nervous breakdown from the strain. Even when we visited him at the mental hospital, we had no clue it was anything more than that. It was a long time before his family came clean about it.

And no, I don't think that being jilted can "make" somebody schizophrenic -- but it can certainly serve as the triggering event.

[slackmaster]

28. Is it possible that early signs of your cousin's schizophrenia contributed to the breakup?

I'm sorry about what happened to him regardless.

[starroute]

31. I doubt it

I hadn't seen him for a number of years, but what I was told was that he'd gone to meet his fiancee's parents for the first time and they objected to him and made her break off the relationship. At least as I got the story from my mother, it had nothing to do with anything he'd actually done or said but was purely a matter of their not wanting her to marry someone who was not from their own social background.

I don't really know much about the subject -- but a little googling suggests that it's generally accepted that stress can trigger mental illness in those who have the underlying genetic potential for it.

[LisaL]

32. I believe that is a controversial idea (regarding stress

triggering schizophrenia.)

[Tsiyu]

42. It is controversial but in my cousin's case

she really exhibited no signs until her early 40's. Meth addiction helped, we believe, but she only started talking about "them" (the people out to get her) when her father suddenly died.

It was almost an overnight change.

I wish we had more help for all with mental illness.

[LisaL]

27. The average age of onset for men is 18.

Of course we don't know what if anything he got.
Doesn't sound like he was actually ever diagnosed with anything.

[abelenkpe]

34. My brother's best friend in HS

was a normal kid until around age 18. In his second year in college he started getting really weird. He'd leave messages all over my apartment door and on my answering machine and stalk me. Then he started fixating on my best friend. My friend and brother started to really worry about him and decided to call his parents. His parents took him out of school for a while and he went to a mental ward for a semester. His doctors started him on some medication and he seemed to be back to normal and returned to college. One night he disappeared and they found him the next morning hanging from a tree in the park.

He was schizophrenic. I swear though he was as normal as anyone until the last two years of his life. Sweetest kid you could ever meet. His parents were devastated and wonder to this day what they could have done differently. Really, everyone who knew him thinks that.

Schizophrenia is a disease. It requires constant mental health care. Living in a country filled with violent rhetoric, that doesn't provide affordable health care and has no gun control laws to at least attempt to keep weapons out of the hands of the unstable is a recipe for tragedy.

[LisaL]

35. It's not surprising that your brother's friend was as normal as anyone until the onset.

There would be no symptoms until the onset. 18 is the average age of onset for men.

[Kurovski]

36. That is a not unusual story, unfortunately.

There are some laws, the databases need to be stronger, I think.

My dad couldn't get a gun by hook or crook, and his paranoia demanded he get one for self-protection. So strange. It was in Illinois he was denied a permit. He had been hospitalized.

I'm not sure that if, at the time, the application asked if you had ever been treated for mental disease. He would have most likely answered it honestly. :) At any rate, he didn't get it and the family was happy about that.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

37. If this guy is diagnosed as a schizophrenic it may

explain why his parents have become increasingly reclusive
over the last few years. In their misguided way, they may have
thought they could handle this by keeping their son on a short
leash.

Whatever their reasoning I wish the media would leave these people
alone. They will pay a horrific price for the rest of their lives for any
mistakes they may have made. Besides, we still know very little about
the evidence the authorities have removed from the home or
the contents of this guys hard drive. It will all come out during the trials.

[LisaL]

38. We don't have any information Lougner was ever diagnosed

with any mental disorder.
"Despite mounting concerns about his bizarre and disturbing behavior, local mental health authorities in Pima County, Ariz. said Monday that no one reported any concerns to them about Tucson mass shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/jared-loughners-behavior-never.html

[EmeraldCityGrl]

40. Yes, that's why I said "if" this guy

is diagnosed. Amazing Pima Community College wouldn't be
required to report to the mental health authorities after he
was kicked out of school for his strange behavior and required
to get an evaluation before being allowed to return.

[Shagbark Hickory]

12. Moral of the story: Never Dump Your Boyfriend!!!

Where did you read this, Teen Beat?

[left coaster]

16. Yeah, total RW spin.. twas an evil wimmins fault, it was! nt

[slackmaster]

24. I think it's very strange that you could read the OP and come away with that impression

:crazy:

It was Jared Loughner who spent lots of money on and consumed drugs. It was Jared Loughner who was angry all the time, who broke off contact with friends, who chose poor ways of coping with his insecurities and personal problems.

[emilyg]

30. Is that all?

[Maru Kitteh]

39. Apparently dad was just as strange or worse?

I think the coming days will reveal a truly terrible home, and I hate to say it, quite possibly a murder/suicide.

[gatorboy]

44. If this wasn't political why do Republicans in Congress suddenly want armed security?