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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 03:42 PM Original message |
Paul Krugman warned early on that Obama's "stimulus" was too small and would be seen as a failure. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. But you live in Imagination Land where Congress is compliant |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. So when Democrats have the majority in the House and Senate, Republicans control Congress. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Well, the point of that was a large enough minority has veto power in the Senate |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. Remind me again: How many votes does it take to change the rules of the Senate... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. 50, which is more than Reid had who would do that |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Among the 59 caucusing votes, he couldn't get 50 votes? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. No, he couldn't, or he would have |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 07:29 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Well if that's the case, then we deserve what we got. |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
2. Duhhh! of course $787 billion was too small - it was signed on Feb 17, 2009 |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. He could have obtained a much bigger stimulus but let three Republican Senators write the bill. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Err.. how was he going to pass a stimulus without a Republican defection in the Senate? |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. ...and Blue Dog/DLCer noncompliance as well!! It was the Blue Dogs |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. thank you Liberal Stalwart. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. It doesn't take 60 votes to pass a bill. It only takes 51. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 07:43 AM Response to Reply #35 |
44. True, but it takes 60 to bring it up for a vote |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. No it doesn't. You can force an actual filibuster and make them talk the whole |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Nope |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 04:54 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Filibuster doesn't actually force a vote. Reid calls the bill to the floor and opens debate, once |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 07:32 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Nope. He already opened debate on the bill |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Fist, I'm not "technically right" - I am right. There's two ways to end debate. You can have a |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. How does it "evenetually have to come to a vote"? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Easy, they have to talk and no one person can talk forever. He can keep the Senate open for |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-04-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. No, they don't |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. Oddly enough, so did Obama |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
32. Really? How is that odd? He seems to agree with everyone, especially those who disagree with him |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #32 |
45. Except he was explicit that he wanted it bigger |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Nouriel Roubini, Joseph Stiglitz, |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. You know Obama himself said it was too small, right? |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Right--- |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. It's best not to push unpopular legislation that can't pass |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Right---and how did it become unpopular? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I don't think stimulus spending has ever been popular |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Again---it's not popular because it is not framed right. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 05:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
41. It's not. If you simply call it "deficit spending," you will be annihilated. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 04:56 AM Response to Reply #11 |
39. Wrong. Stimulus spending is extremely popular among people |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
46. No, every recession it polls in the mid 30s |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
17. He could have and should have pushed for something much bigger and better designed. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Thank you. nt |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 08:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
48. There would have been no stimulus, and parts of DU would be complaining about that. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
19. What does Krugman think President Obama should do now? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Obama has two options. He can present a plan to put America back to work or |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Is that what Krugman said? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Krugman's idea is that Obama should give more press conferences |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. No. That's what I wrote. If you want to read Krugman's current views you can read his articles. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 05:50 AM Response to Reply #22 |
42. You've got to be joking. An advisor to Obama named Krystal Ball? Serious? nt |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
23. K&R nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
27. Krugman and 299 other economists. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Ya. What the hell do they know anyway? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Those 300 leading economists never really loved him! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. And the little one said, roll over! |
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BlueCheese (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
29. A catastrophic failure... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. It could have worked, had it been better planned out. He stimulated Wall Street and forgot about |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 07:52 AM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Really? What portion of the stimulus went to wall street? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. $282 Billion of the stimulus was compromised of tax cuts for the top earners. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. So, slightly more than a quarter went to top earners |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 04:44 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. It was more than a third, 282 billion out of slightly over 700 billion. And yes, they are |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-01-11 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
31. Only Obama is smrt. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 05:30 AM Response to Original message |
40. While I agree the stimulus wasn't enough, in the back of my mind... |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. We can provide useful and important work for everyone who needs a job, with government support. |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
54. Yes he did |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-02-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Absolutely |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
58. The money thrown at the financial sector should have gone to.... |
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livetohike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
61. So??? The point is what? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-03-11 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
62. Kick for historical value n/t |
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evilDonkey (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-06-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
66. Krugman is wrong |
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