Who is NOT looking forward to 9/11?

[Texasgal]

I realize this is a big 'anniversary" for America.

I am am not looking forward to rehashing the events of that day, even though I was far away I remember how shitty I felt.

While I understand the angst of people that experienced it and lost their lives, i jut cannot re-live that day on my own.

I'm sorry. I hope that anyone that went through it can be healed with time. :hugs:

I just cannot.

[scheming daemons]

1. Osama bin Laden certainly isn't

[Texasgal]

8. It's not even political for me..

I just cannot go through the sadness and loss of life that day.

It's sad for me and I cannot go through it again.

The people that can I salute them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Turn all media that day, and your computer... if it is that peinful

I am not looking forwards either. But it does not bring that strong of an emotion.

[liberal N proud]

I will not turn on TV, go on line or read a news paper that day.

I will not even turn on the radio.

The lead up to 9/11 will be bad enough.

[hunter]

85. Yep. Turn off the television.

Listen to recorded music.

Skip the 9/11 newspaper noise.

Take a walk in the forest, fly a kite, go surfing, write a poem, say a prayer...

Problem solved.

[HughBeaumont]

3. I refuse to celebrate, or acknowledge the celebration OF, MIC failure.

It's like having a holiday for Ronald Reagan or something.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Victory laps for those who were not victorious...

...Cheney's book tour and interviews have been filled with references to how America was "kept safe" after 9/11.

Maybe if they'd read that "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In The U.S." briefing, "keeping us safe" wouldn't have become a marketing slogan.

[krabigirl]

39. i agree.

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[RKP5637]

6. I found this trailer to be excellent. There are just too many experts with

views differing from the line we're all supposed to believe.

[HughBeaumont]

12. Absolutely.

I, of course, can't say MIHOP out loud without getting tag-team labelled a "woo-woo kook" by the Curmudgeon Crew . . . but COME on. There is NO goddamned way the Kean/Hamilton/Zelikow/NIST whitewash happened as documented.

[Politicalboi]

24. Some refuse to look any further

I've been asking de-bunkers Where are the seats? We never see any video or pictures of seats in any of the debris pictures. There should have been a few in the streets of NY. Not one picture that I ever saw, and I've seen a lot of videos and pictures. It's an easy way to make some think. There had to be some seats that survived if human DNA survived enough to be identified. No seats on the Pentagon lawn or surrounding the site in Shanksville either. Just knee high non burning grass is all. LOL! Amazing that a fire that can take down 110 story buildings cannot burn a field of dead grass.

[leftynyc]

74. That's just plain stupid

By the same logic, where are the computers, chairs, conference tables, restaurant tables, sofas that were surely in the two towers. Do you realize the fire burned FOR MONTHS.

[Rebubula]

87. So...

...your theory is that since you cannot find fabric chairs from planes - someone blew it up?

Even though there is PLENTY of video of the planes hitting the towers? Even though aviation fuel burns hotter than most any other fuel source?


Keep on thinking that...the adults will keep our eye on the big picture.

[rurallib]

5. I hate for many reasons

maybe most because it was a failure by an incompetent administration which used it as a springboard for lots of bad shit.

[7wo7rees]

7. Hopefully some future generation will care to go thru all the debris...

[Arctic Dave]

9. I'm going to play "nationalism bingo" with a nice Pale Ale.

Other then that 9/11 means little to me.

[catabryna]

10. It was a sad time... but, I can't abide the thought of

re-living it year after year.

For me, though. I got a special gift. My most recent niece was born on the anniversary of my husband's death. My son's cousin was born on the anniversary of his dad's death.

And, she's absolutely gorgeous!

O8)

eta: I'll be listening to music.

[digitaln3rd]

11. More 9/11 porn for the media?

Count me out.

[Marie Marie]

18. Exactly. Just a lot of rehashed drama for ratings.

Can we ever commemorate this tragedy with quiet respect and dignity instead of carnival showmanship? I will be tuning out and remembering our loss in my heart. New York - we love you!!

[krabigirl]

40. It's sick really.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

57. ditto

you said it better (and shorter) than what I was trying to formulate.

[prairierose]

34. Thank you for saying this....

I plan to stay home and watch movies or read a book.

[KurtNYC]

61. Slo-mo footage cut to music

like a truck commercial. :puke:

[defendandprotect]

95. +1000% -- thank you --

[blueclown]

13. The right-wing will try their best to rehab Bush's image.

I will have nothing of it.

[shanti]

14. personally, i think the hoopla is disgusting

but i'm a LIHOP-er, so what do i know :shrug:

[TorchTheWitch]

15. who the hell would look forward to it?

It's not a damn celebration.

[Texasgal]

17. The media seems to be

positively orgasmic over it!

[TorchTheWitch]

41. Are they treating it as a celebration?

I don't watch the MSM so I honestly don't know.

On the other hand, treating it like it didn't happen is far worse. That's how history repeats itself. Frankly, September 11th should be a solemn day of remembrance every year. Though I'm sure the media is going overboard on the coverage (like everything else they cover) it most certainly shouldn't be ignored or pushed to the back page. I know far too many kids that know extraordinarily little about that day ten years ago, and they should.

[Behind the Aegis]

45. +1

[sabrina 1]

46. I'd like a solemn day of rememberance for the nearly half a million

Americans who have died since 9/11 because they could not afford medical care. Imagine the terror of each one of them, knowing they were going to die because they could not afford to live?

I would also like a day of remembrance for the First Responders who are now dead from the results of breathing in the toxic air at Ground Zero with no protective gear as they were assured the air was safe. We called them heroes, but when they got sick and lost their jobs, they lost their medical care and the government refused to help them, and many of them died.

I would like a solemn day of remembrance for the hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians the US has killed since 9/11 and I'd like to know at least some of their names. We have dehumanized them on purpose to make killing them okay.

And then we should have a solemn day of remembrance for the thousands of troops who were sent to fight for a lie.

Several thousand people died tragically that day. But hundreds of thousands have died since. And those who make such a fuss over that day, care nothing for all those who have died, and I doubt they care about the 9/11 victims either, other than for political purposes.

[TorchTheWitch]

78. and that's exactly WHY it should be remembered

Not just because of the attacks themselves but so that people reflect on how we moved forward from there, none of which was good. In a day of remembrance for Pearl Harbor it is also the opportunity to reflect on what came after and why, some of it not good... and the more that day of remembrance fades the more people can no longer remember, were never taught or otherwise have no barking clue of those bad things that came after that the event was the catalyst for.

Future generations desperately need to know about these things, what happened, what happened as a result and what terrible mistakes not to make in the future. And without that day of remembrance that was the catalyst for what came after there IS no remembering or understanding what came after and why.

[sabrina 1]

82. Yes, that would make it worthwhile remembering, but the problem

is so far this country has not admitted that the actions taken in response to 9/11 were so wrong and caused far more damage to this country than could have been imagined at the time. The country needs to acknowledge the horrendous mistake of allowing Bush/Cheney to do what they did before the lesson is learned.

[defendandprotect]

94. Indeed -- and thank you -- !!!

[Raine]

49. I agree. I don't see any promotion of a celebration ... a rememberance. nt

[KurtNYC]

58. Rudy Giuliani. Alex Jones. and the MIC n/t

[TorchTheWitch]

79. so we should all just forget about it then?

JUST to make sure those handful of people don't get an opportunity to celebrate???

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Our TeeVee is off all day long on 9/11. n/t

[newspeak]

68. what's so heroic about little boots standing on the rubble

with a bullhorn when he couldn't react about the august PDB report or numerous warnings from Clinton aides? Ashcroft was much more interested in jailing prostitutes and Chong. And didn't Guiliani have a little tryst nest in one of the buildings? You know the media has gone total soviet pravda when they were shoveling the shite. It was like hiring a PR firm to bamboozle the people to get what you want because of that terrible day. My thoughts will go out to the families and the rescue workers who died and risked their lives, the true heros-and those rescue workers who were exposed to toxic substance and now face numerous illnesses.

And the truly sociopathic thing, was how many times Little Boots after 9/11, publicly told his "constituents" how he hit the trifecta because of 9/11.

Was watching Rachel last night, had a special on 9/11 and showed the type of boxcutters allegedly used by mostly Saudi 9/11 terrorists. And I thought, how many people were on the plane? Let's say there were 50-70 people on each plane and what, maybe six or seven hijackers with boxcutters? It doesn't make sense to me, because I've got friends (female) that have laid men low, unless they didn't have boxcutters but had actual weapons, like a bomb or guns. I've talked to other people who feel the same way-the boxcutters don't make sense.

[SheilaT]

19. I think there is something seriously wrong with

the obsession over "commemorating" 9/11 or whatever the hell it is that they are doing so obsessively. Back on that date, when all these people were repeating the bullshit mantra of "Now everything is different" I kept on saying, WHAT is different? What are you doing differently in your day-to-day life?

For the vast majority of us, those not directly impacted by those events, nothing really changed. Except that the Bush Administration was deliriously happy to get this opportunity to wage the wars they wanted to wage, to totally disregard citizen rights, to plunge us deeply into debt.

[defendandprotect]

96. Only thing the corruption of 9/11 brought was more lies and corruption -- war of lies ...

[rbnyc]

20. Kind of a strange question...

...it's not a holiday.

That said, my not-for-profit is having an event that will benefit a not-for-profit that provides trauma resilience training for first responders among other things. We're showing a film that includes the largest time-lapse photography project in history = shots of ground zero every day for the last ten years.

http://projectrebirth.org/film/

crappy video of trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM61JznfOAQ

I'm glad to be a part of this special screening event.

[DFW]

21. I have to work that day, anyway.

I'll be distracted.

[virgogal]

22. I'm neither looking forward to it nor dreading it. It's just

another day.

[GoneOffShore]

23. It's a big anniversary for the fearful and the security industry.

It's the tenth anniversary of the beginning of the end of the US as we knew it.

[Ohio Joe]

26. It is also an anniversary for those of us that lost friends that day.

I will remember them.

[rbnyc]

29. +1 (nt)

[GoneOffShore]

30. I'm sorry you lost friends - and I'm sure you'll remember them

without getting involved in a lot of media hype and questions like "How do you feel now, ten years later?"

[Ohio Joe]

31. Honestly... I would like for some people I know to tell their stories

Myself, I was in Ohio on 9/11. My brother was one of the first responders, a paramedic. My mother, a teacher at the time, watched from shortly on after the first plane hit from a roof top on the Jersey side of the Hudson. I know several other people that were in The City at the time and every one of them I think would like to have their story told. Not for media hype but because I think it would help them to have their stories out there.

[rbnyc]

33. + 1 again. nt

[pipi_k]

53. Mine isn't as dramatic...

and it doesn't involve an actual loss, but it does give me chills sometimes to think of how closely the family came to losing someone that day.

My oldest stepdaughter was working for a particular investment firm at that time and she was supposed to be in one of those towers for a women's conference. She was very sick that day and stayed home. Had she gone, she would have been up on one of the top floors.

One little virus made all the difference...

[KurtNYC]

65. My father was flying to NYC that morning

they re-routed to Pittsburg and landed safely but I didn't hear from him until about 3pm.

I got hit by a piece of ceiling in the 1993 attack (on the WTC). Both of those were nothing compared to what neighbors and friends went through.

2004 was really hard. The GOP came to NYC to cash in on 911 -- mega disgusting.

[Taitertots]

77. Remember their lives

Millions of people have lost friends since then. Their memory is better served focusing on the time you shared with them.

[sfpcjock]

25. I remember when the pundits said at the time that if the new memorial site

is not rebuilt quickly it will mean there is something wrong with America. I think I know what that means now.

See this DU thread:
Day of Destruction - Decade of War, Part 1 - MSNBC, Rachel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1860743&mesg_id=1860743

[cherokeeprogressive]

27. All this fucking hand-wringing is what I don't understand.

Tell me honestly, will the fact that some people are going to mark what they consider to be a very dark day in their lives impact you one way or another in the slightest sense? I'm betting not.

Don't re-live it. Problem solved. But don't think you're right in bemoaning the fact that someone else will remember what to them might just have been their darkest day.

One needn't have lost a family member or lived in New York to feel like they were in the crosshairs on 9/11/2001. Let those who will remember what happened do so. Turn your TV and radio off it it bothers you so much.

[rbnyc]

28. More...

...this was a huge shared trauma across our nation. Whether you watched the towers burn and fall while standing on your own street, so grateful that your husband didn't go to work that day, or whether your husband went to work that day - whether you walked home across the bridge or were at home across the country - that day means something to each of us individually and to all of us collectively. We should remember, we should commemorate, we should reflect, individually and collectively.

I understand turning off your TV, not appreciating the kind of exploitation that is bound to be perpetrated by the MSM. I understand wanting to make sure we include the way these events were used politically in the ongoing dialohue...but I don't really understand treating it like any other day, and calling it a "big anniversary" just doesn't feel right to me.

We have to continue to process this as a people.

Texasgirl, I really hope you don't feel like I'm attacking you. I do understand if you're not personally looking forward to rehashing the events of the day, and I know you have sympathy for those who were more directly affected. But some of your language and some of the comments that have been posted here are troubling to me.

The 10th anniversary of the events of September 11th is actually a really big deal. We should remember, and we should be engaged in a national conversation. (I'd hate to see all the people who may share much of my perspective on the day back off from that.)

[TorchTheWitch]

42. +1

Well said.

[Kennah]

44. I agree there should be a national conversation ...

... like WTF are we doing in Iraq and Afghanistan?

[rbnyc]

51. +1 (nt)

[defendandprotect]

97. +1000% ---

[Texasgal]

81. You are not attacking me at all.

I appreciate your comments.

I have no problem in engaging in a national debate about it.

my issue is I just cannot watch, relive the constant loop of the planes flying into the buildings, the helpless people jumping... the sadness and the grief the buildings collapsing. I'll turn off the TV, stop the paper etc.. as some here have suggested. I have no issue how anyone chooses to mark the occasion. In fact, I feel very much compassion for anyone who had to deal with it personally.

I'm sorry that I have troubled you, it was not my intent at all. :hugs:

[rbnyc]

91. I think we have mostly common ground on this issue...

...I just felt the need to make my point. Thanks so much.

[Initech]

32. Yankees are visitng Angel Stadium and it's American flag giveaway day.

:puke:

[Golden Raisin]

35. Life-long New Yorker (Manhattanite) here.

Lived through it. Definitely not looking forward to the Anniversary. Don't like to view footage of that day --- repeating loops of the planes crashing into the Towers, victims jumping/falling, etc. In the NYC TV market they are already showing various documentaries & specials which I'm sure will only increase as the date approaches. Personally, I can't change the channel fast enough when I see what's on. Extremely unhappy & angry that Bush was invited and is coming.

[ProfessorGAC]

89. The Victims Jumping

That's the part i can't watch. While all of it is pretty horrific, there is something so directly personal about seeing someone decide "burn or jump" and then choose jump. That's really hard for me to see again.
GAC

[LeftyMom]

36. I'm totally looking forward to the Giants Dodgers game. nt

[Zoigal]

37. I often wonder how the Japanese/German people feel on the anniversary of

of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (roughly 200,000 instant casualties) and
Hamburg and Dresden (at least 25,000). Yes, we were at war, but
were these bombings absolutely necessary? Don't get me wrong. I
don't support terrorism. Feel terrible about the folks who were
victims of 9/11. But we aren't the only country that has suffered
these horrible incidents. Peace is the only answer......z

[Odin2005]

38. I am dreading both the jingoistic chest-thumping and the conspiracy nuts comming out of their holes.

On the plus side, we can brag to the Wing-Nuts that "Obama got Osama", LOL!

[digitaln3rd]

50. Did we even have a 10th anniversary for Oklahoma?

Or is this just a big deal so the media can gin up more hatred against "those people"?

[newspeak]

76. Oklahoma was one of our own

apparently it doesn't gain the impact of those "others." It also reminds us of the "great war on terror." Of course, after the OKC bombing they really did attempt to tie it to those "others."

I think that FEAR is the name of the game. It's a way to focus hatred, to control and basically get away with any draconian policies you plan for the plebes. It worked so well after 9/11-look what Little Boot's and darth cheney accomplished, and their friends have made billions off of that FEAR.

[Odin2005]

88. No, we didn't, sadly.

[JoeyT]

93. +1

It won't just be a day. It'll end up being about 3 or 4 days of non-stop "Amurica! Fuck Yeeeaah!". It'll be like being trapped at a NASCAR event.

[sabrina 1]

43. An awful lot of people have died since then.

Hundreds of thousands more than died that day. And many more have died for lack of medical care. 44,000 a year since then, which adds up to nearly half a million Americans. All deaths are tragic, especially when they could be prevented.

It's been ten years, today someone died because they could not afford to go to the hospital. Their loved ones will mourn alone, without the celebrations, the speeches etc.

And then there are the troops who have died. In a wrong war that had nothing to do with 9/11.

And the First Responders who died because their ungrateful government would not provide them with medical care after exposing them to the toxic air at Ground Zero without protection after telling them it was safe to work there.

Too many deaths. I wish we would at least acknowledge some of the others. To me this yearly reminder of 9/11 is political, not because anyone really cares about the victims. I bet not one of our Representatives could even name two of the victims.

[steve2470]

47. I'm not.

It was a horrible and gut-wrenching day for me, and I didn't have any relatives or friends injured or killed in the attacks.

However, I hope the day has some therapeutic value for the families of the deceased.

[lynne]

48. I don't think that anyone is "looking forward" to 9/11 -

- certainly not like you look forward to Christmas or your birthday. It has bad memories for all of us. But its a time to reflect and to remember those lost. As unpleasant as it may be, I can do at least that much. Its far less than many had to do.

[MADem]

52. ME!

No television. No radio. I have no plans to "celebrate" or "re-live" or any of that crap.

It was sufficiently traumatic the first time around. I've moved on. I will not look back.

[pipi_k]

54. Not a celebration....a catalyst...

In the ten years since 9/11, I've had a lot of losses. There are still a lot of unshed tears...a lot of pain just below the surface.

I figure that by watching at least some of the coverage, I'll be able to get some of it out by feeling pain for someone else's loss.

[gristy]

55. Looking forward to it?

I imagine no one is, if by "looking forward" to it means with "eager anticipation"

[AngryAmish]

56. It's the Bears opener so I'm looking forward to it.

18 in the morning, football in the afternoon. Heaven.

[InvisibleTouch]

59. It was already being hyped 2 weeks in advance on Yahoo news.

I'm fine with a commemorative anniversary. It *should* be a commemorated date. I'm not fine with hyping it up 2 weeks early and rising more and more into a fever pitch of hysteria as the date approaches. That's in no way respectful of the lives lost and the tragic repercussions.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

60. But, the endless coverage of the gala will sell lots of flags and Doritos.

[Bragi]

62. I expect unending pointless maudlin moaning

I don't imagine there will be a full minute of coverage anywhere that wouldn't irritate me.

Accordingly, I intend to spend the day away from all TV and attending the NHL rookie tournament in Oshawa.

It will be interesting to see the ratings. I predict they won't be high, other than for the mandatory militaristic patriotic events jammed around the NFL games.

[Iggo]

63. I'll try to ignore the flagsturbators. (n/t)

[ThatsMyBarack]

64. I'm actually SKATING in a competition that day....

At 8:35 a.m. CST! :wow:

[Blue_Tires]

66. it's my birthday...

but ironically it's one i've been dreading (35)

[HappyMe]

67. I'm not looking forward to that day at all.

It changed all of our lives forever.

It's still cutting people's lives short.

When my son came to see us over Thanksgiving, he & I took the bus for a day of fun in the City. We went to Ground Zero. There were a lot of people there. Most were silent, and the few that were talking were speaking in a very low tone. We are fortunate enough not to have lost anyone that day. We both still felt a deep sadness. The firehouse had been restored and firefighter's memorial was up. Looking at the pictures and names and the flowers that had been left...we just lost it. We were hugging one another and sobbing.



In the end, my son & I did have a great time. Thanks, New Yorkers - for your kindness, humor, and good directions!

[hifiguy]

69. First Sunday of the NFL season, so

to the extent I can, when the teevee is on, I will be watching the Vikings and whatever other games are on, and maybe "The Great Food Truck Race." Nothing else.

[Chorophyll]

70. "Looking forward?" No.

But I live in New York and I know a number of people who were directly affected by it, so I'll find a quiet way to mark the day.

The media is obviously going to milk the 10th anniversary for all it's worth in horrible ways. I'll avoid THAT for sure.

[robdogbucky]

71. Just remember

9/11 was the best thing that happened for the Rethuglicons since the Russians got the bomb.


On 9/11 Gringolandia becomes Jingolandia.

[6000eliot]

72. They had nothing but tributes and memorials almost every hour, on the hour

for about two years after it happened. I don't think I can take any more.

[Taitertots]

73. I'm over 9/11, it is just too much hype now

It is just time to get over it.

[EstimatedProphet]

75. Me

You know what I did on the original 9/11? I avoided the TV. I avoided the TV for several months, even though I lived about 5 miles from the Pentagon. Because I avoided the TV, I didn't get the constant images of the towers falling down that the media used for brainwashing us into believing that we have to kill everyone who is Muslim.

[defendandprotect]

80. Should be a day to further break the myth of "hijackers" ---

and for Americans to wake up and see the complicity of Bush/Cheney in 9/11

and of course the MSM --

[WinkyDink]

84. ITA, but it'll never happen in our lifetime. The myths are being cemented.....

[WinkyDink]

83. Moi. More "Bi-partisanship" baloney, NM the ILLEGAL invasions and TORTURE post-9/11.

[Rhythm]

86. I look forward to the future time when we look at 9/11 the way we do Pearl Harbor

We remember the loss of life, salute the heroes of the day, and then move on... instead of it being a week-long circus of who can out-patriot whom in the M$M.

[Cestode]

90. Dec. 26th 2004 hits me a lot harder

230,000+ Dead.....!!!
Don't get me wrong, I think 9/11 was horrible, but it was small in comparison to some of the natural disasters and wars/genocide that have happened the last decade.

n/t

[lunatica]

92. I'll pass again this year

It's still painful on so many levels. There's the real pain of the loss of people that day and there's the ugly pain of watching it be politicized to more loss of innocent lives. I hate what the Bush administration did with it. They used it to kill more people and to destroy this country and other countries.

And the man who was playing war games that day is today selling his memoir book and loving it. Dick Cheney.