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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:20 PM
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Scary Math: Privatizing Medicare Will Save Us No Money and Make Health Insurers a Bundle
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 11:32 PM by McCamy Taylor
Intro. Ever wonder why the health insurance industry and their paid for (by Super Pacs) House GOP Tea Parties are so anxious to tear apart Medicare? It isn’t because they are ideologically opposed to the so called welfare state. Big business loves its corporate welfare. They don’t hate old folks. As long as the elderly have money to spend, they are welcome to give it all to a Fortune 500 company. They aren’t really concerned about balancing the budget. If they were, they would increase taxes on the rich.

No, privatizing Medicare will make some of the GOP’s bests donors a whole lot of money—which means more money for folks like Rep. Paul Ryan---who got a lots of money from the insurance industry (that we know about) in 2010 and who stands to get even more from the new Super Pacs with their unlimited anonymous funding.

How does it all work? Here’s what will happen if Medicare is dropped and seniors are told “Buy private insurance.” Briefly, the healthiest seniors will buy private. The sickest will all get transferred to Medicaid. (For all those who hate math, just skip to summary):

In 2011, the sickest, most expensive 25% of Medicare patients will cost the government $425 billion. That is 85% of the total $550 billion that the program will spend. The healthiest 75%, in contrast, will only accumulate medical bills of $125 billion.

There are about 47 million folks on Medicare now. If the 75% of Medicare enrollees who are in good health are forced to buy private insurance, their monthly payments will go from $250/month to something closer to $1000. (I base this estimate in the fact that a typical private health insurance policy back in 2007 for someone aged 50 or less was about $500/month, and we all know that health care premiums are rising. This last number has to be a guess, because how many folks over the age of 60 even qualify for a private insurance plan?) That means private insurers would be able to collect $423 billion from folks that only spend about $125 billion. Hell, even if they only collect $500/month, they will still make a fortune.

Now, we all know that cherry picking will be illegal under the new health care guidelines. However, health insurers are masters of stealth cherry picking. One way to weed out folks who use a lot of health care services is to have high deductible and high co-payments---say 20-30% must be paid out of pocket and that only after someone has spent $2000-$5000. The high front end deductible chases away the poor---who are also more likely to be sick, especially among the elderly, since illness is the number one cause of adult poverty in this country. The co-payment is a burden on people who have a lot of necessary medical expenses, like dialysis or heart surgery or chemotherapy. Old folks on a fixed income with significant diseases will soon become broke if they have to pay $1000 a month plus $2000 plus 20%. At this point they will begin dying on the street, and Congress will restore Medicare. Right?

Wrong.

The sickest 25%, the ones who cost Medicare $425 billion a year will be enrolled in (wait for it)---- Medicaid!. That’s right. The program that takes care of poor pregnant women and their children also covers elderly folks whose medical expenses are way too high for their fixed incomes. At the moment, with all elderly being on Medicare, that isn’t a whole lot of people. And Medicaid pays the Medicare premiums for those who are somewhat poor and pays the premiums and the out of pocket for those who are very poor. Under the new laws of health care reform, it will be even easier to enroll retired folks on Medicaid, since their SSI will not count as income.

So, what is the net result of scrapping Medicare and telling seniors “Here is a voucher. Go buy some insurance” as the House Republicans recommended under the so called Paul Ryan plan? The nation’s health insurance industry will pull in an extra $423 billion a year in premiums, while paying out around $125 billion in claims. That leaves $300 billion extra for corporate jets and CEO bonuses. The states (which administer Medicaid with help from the federal government) will find themselves on the line for an additional $425 billion a year---much of that concentrated in states with a high percentage of retirees like Arizona and Florida.

The best part for the private insurance industry--- no mandate will be needed. Seniors aren’t like 20 year olds. They feel death knocking on their door. They will seek out health insurance. They will scrimp and save and do whatever it takes to keep themselves insured.

The Summary Wow! What is not to like about the House GOP’s “solution” to rising Medicare costs. Insurance companies make an extra $300 billion/ year while most of the medical bills get sent to the states. The federal government will save only $100 billion a year through this change---not even enough for a bank bailout----while seniors will see their out of pocket rise, their choices dwindle and their satisfaction plummet.

Wait! Did I say the feds would save $100 billion a year? Silly me. The Paul Ryan plans includes corporate welfare. Seniors will be given vouchers to help pay their private premium costs. Say the government decides to give out $500/month---half the tab. That means the feds would spend close to---what's $6000 a year times 37,000,000 old folks on Medicare? Ouch. My brain is starting to hurt. But I know one thing, it is more that $100 billion.

Net saving: zilch.

Right now, the US spends about $7000/person/year for crappy health care that gives us low life expectancy and high infant mortality. We spend over twice as much per person as any other country on earth, including Canada and France. And, our public contribution to that health care bill easily matches what so called socialized medicine countries spend, meaning that our health care system is just as much of a tax burden as that of our neighbor to the north, only we get less for our money and we have to throw in a matching amount of private funds from our own pocket.

You do not need to be a math whiz to see that this adds up to Grand Theft by the health insurance industry and their GOP Congressional lackeys.But they are not satisfied. They want more, more, more.

Are we gonna give it to them?

Links: http://healthinsuranceinfo.net/getinsured/texas/financial-assistance/medicaid/

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/63xx/doc6332/05-03-MediSpending.pdf

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/63xx/doc6332/05-03-MediSpending.pdfhttp://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/63xx/doc6332/05-03-MediSpending.pdfhttp://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/63xx/doc6332/05-03-MediSpending.pdfhttp://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/63xx/doc6332/05-03-MediSpending.pdfhttp://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/63xx/doc6332/05-03-MediSpending.pdfhttp://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/63xx/doc6332/05-03-MediSpending.pdf

http://ahlalerts.com/2010/12/30/medicare-enrollment-to-increase-in-2011-as-baby-boomers-join/

http://assets.aarp.org/rgcenter/health/i24_hcr.pdf

http://www.slate.com/id/2290509/

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00004357

PS: Almost forgot. The other reason I think the privates will demand $10,000/year per senior is that is the average spending of Medicare per senior. However, the privates do not intend to enroll the average Medicare recipient. They will enroll the healthiest ones.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:23 PM
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1. Uh, duh, but thanks for the post. nt
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:30 PM
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2. Boehner will be satisfied with his customary 98% slice lol nt
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 08:01 AM
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8. If the prez negotiates with him, he could get 99%.
:argh:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:01 PM
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11. LOL!
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:34 PM
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3. The private insurance companies are just after that pot of gold.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:40 PM
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4. Yep. 79 million boomer$ $tart turning 65 thi$ year
between 162 - 172 million people in the next 2 decades will shift away from for profit healthcare toward nonprofit gvt programs. That's a serious cash cow!
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:44 PM
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5. And they want to milk it as much as possible.
No surprise at all they want the entire system turned over to them.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:48 PM
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6. i`m all signed up just waiting for december!
social security and medicare has the best customer service in the world
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 12:17 AM
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7. K&R. nt
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 10:55 AM
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9. Isn't that what happens to ANYTHING that's privatized?
I can't think of one single thing that was privatized, that didn't result in higher prices for consumers/customers and higher profits for the profit-takers.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:40 AM
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15. And worse quality.
As I point out, we fought WWII as a volunteer army. Volunteers cooked meals, cleaned latrines, the whole works.

In the late '50s when my husband was in the service, he had to pull KP even though that was not his regular assignment.

In Viet Nam we began our slow descent into a military that was assisted by "professional" (read mercenary) private soldiers and support crews.

We haven't outright won a war since.

Shows you how ineffective privatization is. It is a money hole, a funnel that pours taxpayer money into the hands of lazy rich guys. That is all it is.

We would be better off with single payer -- a system in which the patient and doctor have a direct relationship with little interference from the insurer.

That's the way my health care insurance worked when I lived in Europe. The providers in town were all on my plan, and I could pick my doctor. The doctors had very few insurance providers to deal with. It was great. Efficient and there for everyone.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 10:11 AM
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16. "Efficient and there for everyone.".... except the profit-takers.
We'd be fools to allow further privatization of anything, especially health care.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:01 PM
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10. K&R
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 02:02 PM
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12. well why not?
it's what the rest of us got with "reform"...
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-11 08:33 PM
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13. Cherry picking methods that we see around here are:
1. Holding information meetings at night. Those who can't drive at night can't attend.

2. Holding information meetings at locations that are not conveniently located. People without cars can't attend.



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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 01:35 AM
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14. Privatizing Social Security won't save anyone any mone.
The average Social Security benefit is under $1200 per month.

Now, how are the millions of people who mostly rely on their Social Security checks for their livelihood each month going to pay $500 for Medicare each month, much less $1000.

It is ridiculous. Ryan is an idiot to even propose this idea.

Guess who will pick up the tab for all the people who can't pay for private insurance?

The government, that is who.

So, the privatization plan is unworkable and a waste of breath.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:10 PM
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17. You there are people who didn't know this?
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 04:20 PM
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18. The craziest thing about the Ryan Plan
is that essentially embraces President Obama's ACA for seniors while they continue their vicious attack on ACA (for everybody else NOT currently covered by Medicare). Ryan's plan also seems to forget about the whole reason that Medicare was needed in the first place (hint: the market wasn't working for seniors. It's not working much better for many other people IMHO but it would REALLY suck for seniors).
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