Juan Cole: Qaddafi was a CIA Asset

[marmar]

Qaddafi was a CIA Asset
Posted on 09/03/2011 by Juan


Human Rights Watch found documents in Libya after the fall of Muammar Qaddafi that it passed on to the Wall Street Journal, which is analyzing them. The WSJ reported today that the documents show that Qaddafi developed so warm a relationship with George W. Bush that Bush sent people he had kidnapped (“rendition”) to Libya to be “questioned” by Libya’s goons, and almost certainly to be tortured. The formal paperwork asked Libya to observe human rights, but Bush’s office also sent over a list of specific questions it wanted the Libyan interrogators to ask. Qaddafi also gave permission to the CIA from 2004 to establish a formal presence in the country.

Qaddafi had been on the outs with the West for decades, but was rehabilitated once he gave up his ‘weapons of mass destruction’ programs (Qaddafi had no unconventional weapons, and no obvious ability to develop them, so his turning over to Bush of a few rotting diagrams that had been buried was hardly a big deal.

I have been going blue in the face pointing out that Muammar Qaddafi is not a progressive person, and that in fact his regime was in its last decades a helpmeet to the international status quo powers.

Now it turns out that Qaddafi was hand in glove with Bush regarding “interrogation” of the prisoners sent him from Washington. .............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.juancole.com/2011/09/qaddafi-was-a-cia-asset.html

[Mnemosyne]

1. K&R...

[Fumesucker]

2. Whole buncha crickets on this thread...

I can't imagine why..

[blindpig]

3. Pot meet kettle. n/t

[joshcryer]

18. LOL, Cole refuted Walsh's hit piece in one paragraph.

[Arctic Dave]

4. So the US and the EU don't give rat's ass about the people of Libya.

This should go over well with them.

USA, fucking people over to the right, then fucking them over to the left. We sell MG weapons then we charge the people we "freed" to blow them up.

The MIC loves it when a plan comes together.

[Starry Messenger]

5. And Juan Cole knows this from his own memos with CIA letterhead.

lol

[Dokkie]

13. Exactly

and while we are at it, Juan Cole is a CIA tool. Now you all know the truth. Ofc hes not a CIA tool cos if he had been one, the IMF and world bank would have set up shop in that country long ago. But lets your heart not be worried, the CIA backed 'rebel' group will make than happen very soon.

[EFerrari]

14. Yeppers. What a slime ball.

[inna]

17. yep. intellectual scoundrel. nt

[EFerrari]

24. He gets his liberal cred in some part because Amy Goodman has him on.

This situation has to be pointed out to her.

[joshcryer]

27. He gets liberal cred because he has fought against Islamaphobia which is ripe...

...these days when it comes to Libya.

In fact, I was informed that one of the loudest "anti-interventionists" on YouTube posted a racist Islamaphobic screed that he quickly pulled when he realized it'd make him look bad. The more you read YouTube comments the clearer it becomes. When posters talk about how the revolutionaries are "islamists" one who has a progressive background should take pause.

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[MisterP]

6. guess what else isn't progressive, Juan?

supporting an aggressive proxy war

[DirkGently]

7. The U.S. was kind of oddly silent on this "horrible dictator" for ... 20 years or so.

Wouldn't be the first, or 101st time, we'd propped up a convenient dictator, then knocked him down (or hopped on the bandwagon) when he became less convenient.

[sabrina 1]

8. Yes, our torture program is exemplary! And the hypocrisy of those

who used him and Mubarak, and Ben Ali to do the dirty work of torturing people, I guess we couldn't do all of it at Guantamo or in Iraq, now pretending to be on the 'side of the Libyan people' is stunning.

These documents have verified the claims made by one of the leaders of the Rebellion that he was 'renditioned' by the CIA to Libya in 2004 and held for almost seven years in Libya's secret prison. 7 years, means up to pretty recently. According to the documents his pregnant wife was to be held also.

Sick, sick society. We truly need to stop these policies, to expose them, this time it was not Wikileaks. I'm surprised the CIA didn't get to them before Human Rights Watch.

The same thing happened in Egypt as the protestors stormed the secret police's headquarters, but the military moved in to guard all those documents. Gates travelled to Egypt around that time and people speculated he wanted to make sure their torture secrets were protected.

How many other places do we send detainees for torture? Isn't it way past time for the people to show their outrage, or be judged, as the German people still are, as complicit?

[nashville_brook]

9. surprise surprise

not

[mod mom]

10. The WSJ? Murdoch's rag..really? Why not at least the NYT?

[Fool Count]

11. Isn't it illegal to out CIA agens?

Juan Cole should have been charged for outing himself so shamelessly as he did. Are we to take
seriously this shill now?

[joshcryer]

21. Where did Juan Cole do that? Post the quote. Chomsky's talks are likely attended by CIA...

...does that mean Chomsky is a CIA agent?

[Fool Count]

28. No, it does not. Just like your reading and responding to

my post doesn't make me a CIA agent. You, on the other hand, I am pretty sure about. No intelligent person would keep
posting such drivel so tirelessly for so long without being compensated for it. That's what you and Juan Cole have in common.
So it is a safe bet you two are some sort of comrades-in-arms.

[joshcryer]

30. So being steadfast in ones views and not backing down when mobbed, makes one CIA.

Thanks for the clarification.

And as usual you don't provide the requested quote (because it doesn't exist, it's made up dishonesty).

[Fool Count]

35. No, doing paid work for the agency does.

What requested quote? Am I supposed to provide your and Juan Cole's CIA pay stubs? Sorry, I don't have them, that's why they call it "secret"
agency. But I read enough of your and Cole's sycophant drivel to have a pretty good idea of what you both represent.

[KoKo]

12. I thought Professor Cole was urging us to invade Libya and happy we did?

So, now he's telling us he was CIA Asset and so we Owned him and could "Take him Out" as justification?

Disgusting!

[EFerrari]

15. The more I read Cole, the more I wonder why he has a job.

His conclusion that John Walsh supports rendition because he opposed the Libyan aggression is unbelievably stupid. Guess what, Professor Cole, every single NATO participant also participated in a world wide torture program so by your own sophomoric logic so do you.

Pathetic.

[bvar22]

16. So was Saddam.

The plan for Libya is the same plan they had for Iraq,
and it is working AGAIN.
Only this time, the NeoLiberal WarMongers had better control over the US media than George Bush had.

That was some "No Fly Zone" that rained down on the Libyans.
The NeoLiberal vultures are descending as we speak.
Libya WILL be turned into another NeoLiberal Free Trade HELL
with the Global Oil Corporations, The Global Banks, and the IMF owning EVERYTHING.

The only surprise is that so many here completely bought the WAR Propaganda so soon after Iraq.


Saddam Gaddafi is an evil dictator!!!
If you're not FOR the New WAR in Libya,
you're WITH The Communists AlQaeda The Terrorists Saddam Qaddafi!!!

[sabrina 1]

20. Yes, sad that people did buy it but look how many bought Iraq and

Afghanistan also?

As someone said recently, 'Libya was a war for oil between Libya and France. It is also a war to keep Russia and China out. Those two countries oil policies have been to get contracts with oil producing countries. Each time they do that, and Qadaffi was threatening the West with giving them more if the West didn't cater to his demands, the West invades the oil producing country or starts a war of words with it.

Next will be Syria on the PNAC list. I see the Russians are protesting NATO countries' sanctions on oil in Syria. I guess they are learning that if you want oil, you better invade before the US and its allies do, because they will not just buy it, they take it.

[joshcryer]

22. Saddam was never considered an anti-imperialist, though. His ties with CIA were well known...

...and disseminated. Gaddafi, however, was portrayed by Gaddafi PR firms as an anti-imperialist, but as more and more comes out (not just the oil contracts, arms deals, military base expansion deals), it's clear that Gaddafi's association with imperialism goes all the way to the top, tying right in with the CIA.

[bvar22]

36. Gaddafi was doing a pretty good job...

...of keeping the IMF and the predatory Western "lenders" out of Africa.
You can put whatever label you wish on him,
but thats a fact,
and it was one of the many facts that was left out of the US Media's Rush to WAR.

” For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html

How long do you think it will be before the Western "Peacekeepers" descend on Libya
to keep "The Rebels" from slaughtering more Libyans,
and make sure that "Their Guy" is installed to POWER?

You know the PLAN is to turn Libya into a Global Free Market HELL don't you?
After All, Freedom Bombs are NOT "Free"....
Just Like Iraq.


How soon some choose to forget.

[quaker bill]

23. I think that is the traditional role of "client dictators".

I expect Saddam was a CIA asset as well at some point. Manuel Noriega certainly was, as well as Marcos.... Nice to see that we are getting out of that business.

[joshcryer]

25. Obama still supports rendition unfortunately.

[EFerrari]

26. Yes, CIA made Saddam, basically.

Juan Cole says it like it's some kind of marvelous revelation instead of S.O.P.

And how do you figure we're getting out of that business? We're in it as much as ever. Taking out one client doesn't mean the job disappears.

[jakeXT]

29. Meet Professor Juan Cole, Consultant to the CIA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x625059

[Duende azul]

31. The latest spin to make "progressives" comfortable with another neocolonial war.

This guy is getting more disgusting with every piece he writes...

Now let`s go bombing Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Jordan, Syria, Afghanistan and some Eastern European countries ...they all tortured on behalf of America.

Way to get rid of the CIA assets...

Why not go for the real culprits? They could be brought to justice in the US - without involving any bombs.

[joshcryer]

32. Juan Cole is a beacon of truth against Islamaphobia.

The trumped up "Islamist" lies about Libya by people like Max Forte and other supposed "progressives" really was a low point.

[hobbit709]

33. Most dictators were on our payroll.

We only got rid of them if they no longer served our purposes or got too greedy. Like Noriega or Saddam

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