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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:01 PM
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The Serpent and the Egg
Edited on Wed Jan-12-11 08:06 PM by nadinbrzezinski
If anybody wants to know why under estimating the right and calling them idiots is a mistake... well there is history. A little personal history is in order. As a child of the holocaust I had to ask... started asking it indeed at about eight or nine... why wasn't it stopped? There surely were signs Of course I grew up in a culture where Holocaust Remembrance was done every day. Every year we were formed in school, being a good Jewsih School, for remembrance day. So every year we participated in the most solemn of ceremonies, readying the names of the dead... no, not all six million (let alone all 14 million) but you get the picture.

So at fifteen I went over to the sports center. They had a conference on the Holocaust... and I had to get parental permission since it was for 18 and over. One of the many things shown in that was The Serpent and the Egg...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Serpent's_Egg

The Movie asks that question, and speaks of how the Nazis were under estimated. How everybody inside and outside of Germany thought they were dangerous brutes, but nothing serious. Hitler was just a bother... and there was no way that what he wrote in Mein Kampft he could really mean. I mean, it would be so uncivilized and unseemly. Fast forward a decade or so, when I took a few courses on the Antisemism and the rise of Nazi Germany. One of the books we read was particularly relevant today. It was about how the Nazi party enforced discipline across rural areas in particular The way they were doing it, well... if you wanted any access to civil services you'd better vote the right way. This kind of pressure reminded me of the resignation yesterday of four members of the REPUBLICAN party in AZ... out of fear of the Tea Party.

That sends chills down my back.

Now I have also spoken how things can go down the path of civil war. Again, most civil wars are obvious as day... AFTER they are over. Seeing the signs of them coming is harder. But in my mind we are seeing them. Not only that, we are also seeing the rise of a very radical movement amongst us. We hope that a better economy will put a kibbush to this, but ... remember the echoes of history, and realize that we may very well be collectively under estimating these guys... and then we will be asking... after the nightmare is over... what came first, the Serpent or the Egg... (The last line by memory from that film)
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:05 PM
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1. You link dosen't work. n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:07 PM
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3. corrected
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:06 PM
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2. That's a great, little-known (now) Bergman film, btw...
His only one in English, I believe.

And yes: Rather startling in its historical lessons. Especially as they apply to... now.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:09 PM
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4. Yes, I know
and it should be required watching at this point.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:11 PM
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5. well, I shoulda been clearer: I figured *you* knew.... ;-)
n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 08:12 PM
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6. It took me years to find it
again...

It is a CLASSIC, it was also done in Black and White.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 09:45 PM
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7. Kick, now that the memorial is over
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 11:22 PM
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8. K&R
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:10 AM
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9. I belive this is the correct link:
Edited on Thu Jan-13-11 12:14 AM by LongTomH
The Serpent's Egg (film)

Edited to add: By the way, K&R :kick:

Another edit: Here's the link to the IMDB entry for The Serpent's Egg.
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some guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:12 AM
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10. kick for other reasons
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-13-11 12:59 AM
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11. K&R. (nt)
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