I know what my values are

[XemaSab]

and I expected Obama to be generally supportive of those values.

To wit, I was hoping for a president who would be pro-environment, pro-labor, pro-civil rights, anti-corporate greed, and anti-torture. In short, pro-America.

So far, Obama's not bringing it for me.

[LaydeeBug]

1. Truth. nt

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[jaxx]

8. What does one get out of calling the Democratic President names?

[Skittles]

9. calling the TRUTH

[jaxx]

10. No, just calling names.

[Skittles]

13. keep your head in the sand

you are outnumbered

[jaxx]

14. Ah, that's where you are wrong.

Supporters of President Obama outnumber those opposed by a large percentage.

Yes We Can!!

[xiamiam]

17. i think it depends where u live..where i live, no, not even close..but we're liberal

and fed up..u can deny this all u want but people are not happy with this administration..number one, we're humiliated and embarrassed that we continue the wars..that wall street trumphed main street even though we were told that would not happen..and then we've been surprised by a number of other things..like potentially cutting social security..nope, you can spin it all u want..but we are not happy with this administration..even members of his own party are having wtf moments..this is far from what we bought with our votes, or what we thought we bought as most of us we're on the same page during the election..he sold us our dreams..he hasn't delivered..we wish he had..we want him to put us back on track..he's steering us more off course..we're done being conned

[ooglymoogly]

61. And where I live.

Most notably and most dangerously, seniors, almost to a person it appears, despise him...they are not stupid, working folks, especially union working folks despise him, here where I live. I suspect that is the case around the country and for the same reasons.

[Raine]

27. Well since those of us who are unsatisfied are so outnumbered

Obama supporters have nothing to worry about shouldn't be so defensive.

[jaxx]

35. I would be defensive about any Democratic President, whatever his name,

being continually bashed on a Democratic website. It's expected to see the undermining on sites where both left and right post, but not here.

[sce56]

51. I have but one thing to say about criticizing a president!

I have but one thing to say about criticizing a president!

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Teddy Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918

[BNJMN]

80. +1

[stillrockin]

65. He ain't no Democrat. That's the problem.

[JDPriestly]

68. Obama needs to act like a Democrat if he wants to have the loyalty

and support of Democrats.

[SwampG8r]

72. now you will get replies

all saying how much respect and regard they all show other democrats
use the google searcher in the corner with their names and the names of prominent democrats
that tells a very different tale as they will savage any democrat to defend their cultmaster
the search defines them in their "support" of democrats and the party in general and the definition is ugly

[OnyxCollie]

28. If our numbers are so small then we don't need to vote,

nor do we need to fear a President Perry or President Bachman, because YOU GOT THIS!

If Perry or Bachman gets elected, IT'S YOUR FAULT.

[jaxx]

34. That's your choice isn't it?

If doing nothing but griping and feeling so put upon is your thing, then do it. Stay home and make that 'it's all about me' stance. You're not threatening me with your problems.

If the right would win in 2012 the blame would go squarely on the mouths of the right wing who can do nothing but bash, make possibilities realities so they can act up, and who want a one-term president. The far left is helping them along with their agenda, nobody can figure out why, but it's simply amazing to see them claim no responsibility for their rhetoric.

This isn't about you, it's about the country. If you don't care, that's your cross to bear.

[Mr Deltoid]

43. If you need liberal votes then you had better stop marginalizing them

Because all it does is sour people on Obama even more.

[BzaDem]

55. Liberals need Obama more than Obama needs liberals. If Perry is inaugurated, it won't be Obama

that suffers. He'll probably make many times what he was making as President.

When Perry appoints justices that rule Medicare unconstitutional, it won't be Obama that suffers. He'll have plenty of money for healthcare. It will be those liberals that essentially voted for it, by voting against Perry's opponent.

[Mr Deltoid]

66. Obama is making his own bed

Ultimately, he will have to sleep in it.

[jaxx]

78. More like they need to stop marginalizing themselves.

This thing about far left superiority leaves people cold.

[stuckinarut]

57. wait...

"This isn't about you, it's about the country. If you don't care, that's your cross to bear."

And it's not about Obama. It's about his policies.

If it were really about the country, you would see the importance of ending the wars, not giving tax cuts to the rich, not forcing an individual mandate for Health Insurers (without a public option), the continued/escalated attacks on our civil liberties etc.

This is not rhetoric, this is what the "far left" has always stood for.

[stuckinarut]

59. and for good measure, he did campaign on ending the wars and...

"I will promise you this: that if we haven't gotten our troops out by the time I'm president it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. I will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama, October 27, 2007

"Close down Guantanamo, restore habeas corpus, say no to renditions, no to wireless wiretaps..." - Barack Obama, November 14, 2007

"When I promise that I... we are going to bring this war in Iraq to a close in 2009, I want the American people to understand that I opposed this war in 2002, 2003, 4, 5, 6 and 7 -- so you can have confidence that I will be serious about ending this war." - Barack Obama, 2008

Oh and here's my fav.


"It is absolutely true that NAFTA was a mistake." - Barack Obama, 2008

[OnyxCollie]

62. That's the kind of response

I would expect from a political and intellectual lightweight like yourself, jaxx.



Go back to genuflecting before your Obama inauguration commemorative plate from the Franklin Mint.

[jaxx]

77. You never fail to pass the buck, do you.

No responsibility. When all you can do is bash, you lose.

[SwampG8r]

73. i beleive his statement was not its all about him

rather he has stated clearly
you got this its all about you
now i got peas to eat

[SwampG8r]

75. forgot the one about how

we need to worry about the SCOTUS
even though dem appointees routinely retire during dem admins
same for the gop
hollow arguement but it will be listed soon im sure

[stillrockin]

63. Umm, I don't think so. He's on a sinking ship.

[dionysus]

49. ROFL, what are you gonna do, famously threaten to kick our asses?

:spray:

[BzaDem]

54. Really? When Obama has the highest support of Democrats since JFK, you are claiming that supporters

of the President are outnumbered?

:rofl:

[stillrockin]

64. What are you drinking? I mean besides koolaid?

[Stinky The Clown]

31. What name was he called in the OP?

[JDPriestly]

67. We are hoping to get a real Democratic President, not this phony one.

[Vanje]

74. One gets deleted

deleted by the mods, apparently

[cliffordu]

12. Sigh. I wish I could help.....

but I'm just a whore.....corporations are just the latest to make me aware of this fact.

[SwampG8r]

19. how do you think i feel

i am 3 different corporations and part owner of 2 more
oh and a non profit entity i funnel the cash to too
for cleanin dontchaknow
makin me sound like a bad guy

[enough]

3. Sounds simple when you put it that way. It's not about chess or not getting a pony.

I find it hard to believe the mental contortions some of my friends are going through in trying to avoid the simple truth you have stated.

I have friends who still think he's going to have a massive turnaround if he gets a second term -- at this point anything is justified to get re-elected. The number of delusions in this idea is almost uncountable.

[Shagbark Hickory]

4. Have you tried calling the Obama complaint hotline?

[Bluenorthwest]

39. The calls are inbound. OFA calls and asks for money and help

and time. That is the thing to consider.That's the paradigm that counts.

[patrice]

5. I like the clean way you state this, without a lot of inflammatory speculation. I agree. nt

[Cool Logic]

6. What are you complaining about? Four out of Five ain't bad...

And they are all affected by greed...

[progressoid]

7. What? Sounds like you want a Democrat in the White House or something.

That's just crazy talk :crazy:

[emilyg]

15. .......

[gateley]

11. Why are you telling us? To get more "attaboys" from fellow

Dems who feel the same way?

To Go On Record expressing your disillusionment?

Have you sent e-mails to the WH, or do you just gripe on DU?

Honestly, what the fuck do you expect US to do about it?

These are so tiresome. We GET that you're not happy -- many of us feel the same -- but realize it doesn't accomplish anything to just whine about it.

[xiamiam]

16. bs..and rude..nt

[EFerrari]

29. And yet your greater wisdom doesn't extend to not clicking on the thread.

[muffin1]

32. This post is out of character for you.

DU is a message board, remember? Sometimes it's nice to just vent. :shrug:

[gateley]

40. You're right -- I was actually thinking about this last night! Feeling

kind of bad because it IS a place to let go, but I've found myself not saying what I REALLY feel more and more lately just so I don't have to deal with the responses like I gave! :crazy:

Last night was a tough one for me, and I took it out on the OP. Gonna apologize. Thanks. :pals:

[muffin1]

42. I'm sorry you had such a bad night.

And you're usually such a 'sweetie' (willing to see all sides) - I thought something must be up! I WISH I had your attitude - been meaning to tell you that for awhile!

I hope you are feeling better today. :hug:

[gateley]

44. Feeling MUCH better in large part because of your posts!

Thank you so much for the heartwarming words! :hug:

And I've never know YOU to go off on a tear, so I wouldn't worry about my attitude if I were you! :hi:

[XemaSab]

46. No worries

:)

[RetroLounge]

38. Yet you whine in reply

:rofl:

RL

[_ed_]

45. You must surely see the irony in your post, right?

Why are YOU telling us???

[JDPriestly]

69. E-mails to the White House are ignored.

Obama is hoping to go on the speech-making tour of Wall Street when he leaves office. He is just biding his time until he gets the kind of pay-off that the Clintons got.

I remember back when there was a lot of talk about how the Clintons were nearly bankrupt.

That was before. This is now. They are far from bankrupt, and they owe their good fortune to either what they did while they were in office or what they have done since. Now which do you think it is?

[FrenchieCat]

18. He is, but you have willfully let yourself be misinformed......

So I hope when you get your new cabinet along with your new president,
I won't have to hear whining...instead, I'll probably hear screaming and
uncontrollable tears going on forever like a waterfall.

------------------------------

What I’d like folks to envision in the meantime is what would happen if progressives woke up the morning of November 7th, and reality hit that the President-elect is not Barack Obama?

Sure, some on the Left would feel vindicated to witness Barack Obama defeated, believing that they had won the battle of “principles” they’d waged for four years to show President Obama their disappointment in him. They would inevitably blame him for their choice not to donate, not to work, and/or simply not to have voted.
<>

How will you feel when the new President nominates partisan cabinet members like Phil Gramm for Treasury, Jeb Bush for the Justice Department, John Kasich for the Office of Management and Budget, Scott Walker for Labor Secretary, Paul Ryan for Health and Human Services, Rudy Giuliani as Secretary of State, John McCain as Secretary of Defense, and Newt Gingrich as UN Ambassador? Sure, it may not be those particular ideologues in those exact positions; in fact, it could be worse still. Keep that in mind.

How will you feel when the new President gets a chance to replace Justice Kennedy, or worse yet, Justices Breyer and Ginsberg? What about all of the other judicial nominees that the new President will get to choose?

How will you feel when the new President decides to nominate folks over at the FCC who would vote against Net Neutrality? How mad would you be if the Internet became less of a factor for free speech, and more of a factor for message manipulation and propaganda?
<>
As importantly, how will you feel that you didn’t do everything possible to assist in the 2012 re-election campaign because you rationalized that there was nothing good you could say about President Barack Obama, or you conveniently convinced yourself that someone else would handle your share (or so you assumed)? How will you justify protest then, or even be angry knowing that you always had a choice and yet you chose to do less than you could do?
more...http://www.democratsforprogress.com/2011/09/03/we-all-have-a-choice-in-the-2012-election/

[xiamiam]

23. my vision is greater..i believe in us..and i have hope ..still

I dont believe in the incumbant candidate..but i do believe in us..and i believe that we are decent people who deserve better...we wont get it if we settle..i dream of no wars and economic equality and prosperity...no lobbyists..and criminals being held accountable..to start with..

[FrenchieCat]

24. LIke said.......

We all have a choice in the 2012 election!
yes, we do!

I just don't want to hear the 4 year long moaning
and screaming if you get your way.

You can't believe in "us",
if you are willing to push us off a cliff,
so that you can dream about things that will
not be part of "our" reality.

[xiamiam]

25. because why, frenchie..because things are going so well now?

because we dont spent more money on the miliary industrial complex and homeland security than ever before in our history while people are starving in the streets? because bankers are not held accountable for crimes and make multi million dollar bonuses from stimulus money? no questions asked? because the hamp program is 1 percent effective? and all of us know someone who has lost a home and is demoralized and on the verge of emotional collapse because they cant take care of their family? i could go on, but.. this is not working..there are a multitude of great ideas which this administration has not embraced, has ridiculed, and ignored..you know it, and i know it..there is no upside in throwing my vote away..i want to vote for someone i believe in, even if i get fooled again. There is too much about this administrations policies which are contrary to my fundamental belief system to convince me otherwise. You try so hard. I know you believe it. I think I know why you believe it. I don't.

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[EFerrari]

30. Psychodrama and not even legible psychodrama at that.

What a trip.

[QC]

82. I liked the beatnik poetry a lot better than the stream-of-consciousness

we've been getting lately.

I guess I'm just old-fashioned that way, daddy-o.

[tabasco]

52. They don't fucking care.

Same type of people who gave us Richard Fucking Nixon.

[JDPriestly]

70. Could they do worse than Geithner? I doubt it.

[johnaries]

20. He has been supportive of all those, if you have been paying

attention.

Don't be misled.

[XemaSab]

22. Right.

Sure.

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[TwilightGardener]

33. OK. I think he's all of the things you listed, to varying degrees.

[NorthCarolina]

36. He's not bringing it for me either, and for the same reasons.

Good post. :thumbsup:

[joshcryer]

37. Obama has been exactly as I expected.

And then some.

Next time we'll learn to not vote for the post-partisan candidate.

[gateley]

41. I apologize for my snarky response earlier. I'd had a bad night

and took it out on you. :(

I'm really sorry.

Often DU is the only place where people even KNOW what we're talking about, and I understand with the way our country is now, we need the support of like-minded people.

Again, I apologize.

[XemaSab]

47. It's quite alright

:)

[Dystopian]

48. KandR

We share the same values.
I've already given up on him...
Too many chances to right the many wrongs...yet he opted to follow the path set before him.
Never-ending wars ... all that was wrong remains the same.
He has blood on his hands.

peace~

[1StrongBlackMan]

50. Knowing One's values ...

And translating them into governance in a democratic system are two entirely different things.

[JoePhilly]

53. I'm getting a kick out the left wing version of "values" candidate selection.

The GOP has been using "values" as a way to claim they are superior.

Now parts of the left are grabbing that frame.

Any idiot from the GOP can claim to support and defend "family values" ... even as they %$#$% a staff member.

It is esy to prove that some one does not share the "correct values". Take the recent environmental protesters at the white House ... did the ride bikes to get there? Did they ride "gasp" buses???

The use of abstract "values" to complain is an easy way to ignore actions you want to ignore, and scream about actions you want to scream about.

And this is true whether the right or the left goes there.

[Warren DeMontague]

58. In terms of, say, the Environment, or benefits for the poor/disabled, "vales" have real world

implications.

"Values" in terms of "I don't like going to the park because there might be a kid with 2 mommies there" or "we need to stop consenting adults from looking at picutres of boobs on the internet" or somehow "maybe if we don't teach kids biology in high school, they'll stop fucking before marriage", those are bullshit "values".

Protecting the poor, the weak, the environment, helping people who are in trouble... those are VALUES, and I don't think they need to be apologized for.

[EFerrari]

81. OMG, Americans speak English. That's deep.

[Warren DeMontague]

56. I've been disappointed by this administration, too.

I'm still voting for the guy next year, but I agree with you.

To commandeer an old expression, he hasn't missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

[Raine]

60. I know the feeling because I feel the same. nt

[Dystopian]

71. Kick for truth and justice.

peace~

[QC]

76. You just want a dictator with a magic wand!

[BNJMN]

79. But, you voted for him...because you didn't want The Other Guys to win.

Right?

I sure as hell did.
Now I'm wondering how to not just support the Democratic politicians, but support the most Democratic politicians. Seems to me, the selection process starts before the primary.

Either we find some way to get really Democratic pols involved and elected as prez.
Or we take page from ol' watsisname and elect a bunch to congress and get 'em to sign a pledge. Otherwise, we get more watered down Republican bs handed to use every 4 years. You know, to keep The Other Guys out of office.

But, what do I know?