Democrats need to recognize that the 2010 elections MOSTLY got rid of the YellowDogDemocrats,

[supraTruth]

something the LAMEstreamCorporateMedia&FIXEDnewsCORP NEVER mention.

[aquart]

1. I REALLY hope you mean BLUE Dog.

And you haven't a clue what a yellow dog Democrat is.

[Skittles]

2. THANK YOU

[supraTruth]

4. Yeah, I did. Sorry about that.

[TheWraith]

3. Because the Blue Dogs were the ones in the competitive districts.

Something never mentioned by the people who want to spin a massive Democratic defeat as a huge victory for liberalism. :eyes:

[doc03]

5. deleted

[hobbit709]

6. We'll never know.

If a REAL democrat could win by standing up for what the Democratic Party has traditionally stood for instead of running as a Republican Lite.
AFAIC Harry Truman was right.

[TheWraith]

8. Yes, we do. Alan Grayson got thrown out of office too.

Swing districts are called that because they swing. There are not a secret, silent majority of millions waiting to elect someone more liberal in even the most Republican of areas. That's simply a fact of life and politics, one we need to deal with. And some people need to get used to the fact that that means electing moderate Dems in moderate disticts.

Unlike most people here, I have actual personal experience--multiple times--with what happens when you run someone who is too liberal for the district. The last time, that person lost with 30% of the vote. The premise that going farther left is ALWAYS the answer is just as wrong as the people who think any election the Republicans lose, the answer is to go farther right. Agree with it or not, most people in the US prefer moderation.

[loyalsister]

10. Thank you

If people think a more liberal candidate would have won in Ike Skelton's district despite the fact that voters approved the RW proposition to essentially invalidate HCR they are just not counting.

http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills101/biltxt/truly/HB1764T.HTM

[hobbit709]

11. That had more to do with corporate money-which is another problem.

and Grayson originally won that seat by not running as a R-Lite

[Creideiki]

23. Corporate money and the DLC--excuse me DCCC--refusing him any funding

per his interviews with Nicole Sandler.

[MessiahRp]

12. Probably would have helped had Obama's DNC not thrown him under the bus

and abandoned him.

Grayson ran against the most RNC money in the 2010 campaigns. The DNC did squat to help him, which seemed to be quite on purpose.

Rp

[TheWraith]

14. Grayson outspent his opponent three to one.

But there will always be an excuse why someone lost.

[girl gone mad]

18. It's really simple.

I have lots of family in his district. "Obamacare" was extremely unpopular and Grayson voted for it.

[MessiahRp]

19. Thank god for progressive/liberal groups picking up the slack...

The national Democratic party didn't give two fucks about Grayson. They wanted him to lose.

[socialshockwave]

20. Simple. The "Taliban Dan" ad that his campaign ran.

Was way over the top and from what I read, it cost him a lot of support.

[Richardo]

13. Thank you

:patriot:

[Unvanguard]

16. Well, we know that, holding the competitiveness of the district constant

Democrats who voted more reliably with other Democrats were more likely to lose their seats.

[ecstatic]

17. I don't get the logic

You think people voted RABID teabagging right wingers into office because the democrats weren't liberal enough? :shrug:

[doc03]

7. That's what some think, if we had gone

even further left we wouldn't have lost. We lost control of the House because those in charge overestimated the mandate for change in 2008, just as the Republicans have done this year. The voters in the middle are what decides elections. It's a big game of division, whoever does the more effective job of diving the independents wins. The Republicans just do a much more effective job of dividing. It's just easier for them, they play on peoples prejudices and they control most of the media today.

[loyalsister]

9. Ike Skelton from MO

In fact lots of Democrats were pounded as being too supportive of any kind of HCR. The ad that ran over and over... "and I would have had the votes to get it done sooner if Robin Carnahan would have been in the Senate."
Even state General Assembly leaders were classified as being too liberal just because they were in the same party as Obama and support health care measures. Democrats lost BIG in the state leg.
The socialist, communist, take away your guns, death panel ads ran constantly.
Ike Skelton was the very definition of a blue dog, and simply was not conservative enough for his district.
We now have
106 republicans and 57 Democrats in the House. And there are 23 republicans and 11 Democrats in the Senate.

Something worth remembering is that missouri has been a true swing state.
Since 1904, Missourians have gotten it wrong just twice – preferring Adlai Stevenson over Dwight Eisenhower in 1956, and John McCain over Barack Obama in 2008."

It was wrong in 2000, as well as it went for Bush.

The state General Assembly has fallen off the right side of the scale. The voters have increased the numbers. If MO is any indication it is the voters in this country who are RW. Sadly, the political leaders reflect the majority. Gov. Jay Nixon reads those on the ground numbers and behaves accordingly. Well to the right of me, but not so most of my neighbors. And I live in a progressive college town.

Is it possible that Pres. Obama reads the same numbers coming in from MO and other swing states that have been swinging further right over the past 10+ years? It has gotten more difficult for Democrats to win in many of those states (notice the republican governors) and if state politics is any indication, it is not because voters want someone more liberal.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

21. Voter are more liberal than they think

When they are asked individual questions concerning social programs and economic policies, time and again they fall toward the left....but the right wing has simply made the label/brand name more important.

[loyalsister]

22. People who oppose:

HCR, abortion rights, too many people get food stamps, unemployment..... in the name of I've got mine, I would raise that baby, the Dr. down the street doesn't need a big expensive office- health care shouldn't be so expensive.
Attack the US we will hit back immediately, I will teach my kids at home,
Not liberal. I know who I am talking about- personally.

[kctim]

24. That's not the whole story though

Because when they are asked individual questions on how to pay for such programs and who the economic policies should affect most, time and again they fall toward the right. HCR is a good example of that: 70+% said government run healthcare sounded like an ok thing, but less than half of that 70% were willing to pay for it.

[Unvanguard]

15. And the liberals in competitive districts lost at higher rates. n/t