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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 10:37 AM
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CIA rendition flights continue under Obama
Source: TUCSON SENTINEL

New documents in recent days have surfaced several new details about the shadowy practice of snatching terrorism suspects from one country and rendering them into the custody of another. As we noted last week, several documents on rendition emerged as part of an obscure court case in the state of New York. Others were discovered by Human Rights Watch in Libya.

While the Obama administration has tried to distance itself from the some of the harshest counterterrorism techniques, it has also said that at least some forms of renditions will continue.

At least one Obama administration official has maintained that rendition is legal under U.S. law, even if the receiving country might torture the suspect. As the Washington Post's SpyTalk blog noted, CIA assistant general counsel Daniel Pines, writing for a law journal last year, asserted that while U.S. officials could not themselves torture suspects during rendition, "U.S. law does not even preclude the United States from rendering an individual to a foreign location where he or she could be abused or tortured." Pines said he was expressing his own views, and not the official views of the CIA or U.S. government.



Read more: http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nationworld/report/090711_obama_rendition/cia-rendition-flights-continue-under-obama/
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 10:38 AM
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1. Add me to your count of Angry Democrats, Please
This is an abomination.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 11:15 AM
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6. +1 This is an abomination.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 04:34 PM
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15. +2
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 04:48 PM
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17. + 3
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 10:43 AM
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2. And we wonder why O won't investigate torture?
It would open the lid on what his own damned administration is doing. :puke:
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 10:45 AM
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3. If rendition flights continue, so does torture.
K/R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 11:15 AM
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5. Leon Panetta said as his confirmation hearing that rendition is a good tool
that he would continue to use. I doubt Peaches Petraeus is going to change that.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 11:16 AM
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8. Right, nothing changes except the faces at the top
;(
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 02:56 PM
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9. Was there ever any doubt that the the renditions and torture
never stopped? When Obama kept supporting Bush policies, and kept expanding them, and defending them, and refusing to prosecute anything, even the worst war crimes, we knew it was because the crimes were continuing.

As long as the wars were continuing the war crimes were continuing too. There is no such thing as a clean war, especially when our government was/is having the wars run by the CIA and mercenaries. Especially when the wars are all about politics and business interests instead of being about defeating some actual sovereign enemy somewhere for real defense reasons. :(
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 03:01 PM
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13. Yeah but I have seen links all over DU
saying Obama doesn't use torture. If one suggests it some one will straighten them out. Well there were us who knew better. The policies and wars roll on.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 04:30 PM
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14. Oh yes. Obama said that the torture ended.
And Obama never lies, so the torture must have ended. I've been told many times here that the I'm a fool for believing that the torture and rendition continued, just because aid agencies say so. Only a food believes aid agencies, and those who claim they were tortured, when Saint Obama has stated that the torture has ended. :eyes:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 04:42 PM
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16. I thought Eric Holder might have a more forthright approach when he took over the DOJ
I am sadly mistaken.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 10:48 AM
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4. Which gives complete and utter lie
to Obama's fatuously pious statements that torture is no longer conducted under the auspices (be they tacit or explicit) of the US government.

The game is over and, in Frank Zappa's words, they are taking down the scenery. See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x320763
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 11:16 AM
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7. Kickety rec!
:kick:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 02:58 PM
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10. But Obama enjoys high approval ratings from liberals!
Quick, someone trot out The List!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 02:59 PM
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11. Bush the Third.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 03:00 PM
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12. USA! USA! USA!
K&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 05:03 PM
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18. So. Who IS in control?
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