My, my. He sure is eager to put Medicare on the chopping block, isn't he? n/t

[markpkessinger]

[Rincewind]

1. No he's not.

[markpkessinger]

2. Well, he has. ...

... And so far as I know, nobody was holding a gun to his head forcing him to do it.

[madokie]

36. If you'd been paying attention you would know that the reason that he put it on the block

to begin with was to prove a point and that point is that if he proposes it they are against it. This was happening during the time that the pukes were trying their damnedest to gut both ss, medicare and the new healthcare bill.
Either you're not paying attention or you don't, well you fill in the rest

[markpkessinger]

49. Oh, so we're back to 11-dimensional chess. I see. n/t

[madokie]

53. and what kind of a reply is that

11 dimensional chest :puke:
Did you read what I posted or are you not paying attention again?

[markpkessinger]

54. I read what you wrote . . .

Comments like "He did (egregious act x, y or z) in order to (prove a point/box the republicans in/etc.)" partake of the argument that everything he does, no matter how contrary to Democratic values, are really part of some grand strategy (i.e., 11-dimensional Chess strategy) to force the GOP's hand. Given the way such "strategy" has worked to date, I'm not buying it.

[democracy1st]

61. yep and he appointed this lame azz corp economic team for what reason ?

[trueblue2007]

9. no he is not putting anything on the chopping block. don't jump to conclusions!!!!

[Occulus]

17. which will become "wait until it passes"

which will become "you should have spoken up sooner"

We've all heard that particular song and dance before. NO SALE.

[Bluebear]

23. Amen

[durablend]

24. Which will become "Best we could do, folks so move along!"

Yup, I've seen this movie before and it sucked the first time.

[Bluebear]

57. We can change it later!!!

:cry:

Just like health care.

[Bluebear]

60. .

[markpkessinger]

50. You got that right! n/t

[woo me with science]

33. Of course he is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1905111

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1660734&mesg_id=1661130

[yurbud]

51. the GOP doesn't seem to have to twist his arm to get him to mention it.

[eleny]

3. One of these days the Republicans are going to take him up on his bluff

That's if it is a bluff.

[SwampG8r]

4. too late

we have allowed SS to be tied to the deficit for the very first time in its history
now when it is said that SS contributes to the deficit it will be true
once it is untethered from its independence and attached to the deficit (as has already been allowed)it becomes just one more govt program that "doesnt pay for itself" even though it always had
SS is over

[leftstreet]

6. +1

exactly

[eleny]

8. .

:banghead:

[BOG PERSON]

43. RIP social security

[Name removed]

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[madamesilverspurs]

7. Nope.

[Webster Green]

10. I sure didn't like hearing "reforms". I think I have an idea what that will mean.

[Bluebear]

21. +

[ClarkUSA]

11. Quote? I can see you offer nothing but empty rhetoric. HuffPo is now right-wing AOL-owned, y'know.

[Dragonfli]

16. Yes I know, every site that doesn't end in .gov is part of a conspiracy that uses the truth to tell

lies!

That's the ticket!! I am sure we should ignore what Obama says, he hasn't said it if it isn't a gift to all of us.
Just our damn lying ears again.

We should stop listening to that Obama guy, he keeps lying about Obama putting stuff on the table!!

[ClarkUSA]

18. So you have no quote? I didn't think so. Negative rhetoric is all you've got. Predictable.

[Dragonfli]

As a Beaver! /nt

[McCamy Taylor]

12. No, he isn't. This is the GOP Big Lie of the election. Sad to see it repeated at DU.

[Bluebear]

13. Ok what are these "reforms" to Medicare he speaks of?

[Dragonfli]

15. We know the CURRENT recipients won't get the "reform" only everyone else, It must be free candy!

Or an increase in benefits for FUTURE recipients! Yay!!!!

[Raine]

19. Probably up the age so people have to dig ditches and do roofing until their 70 years old

when they can finally get SS/Medicare. Work people till drop dead from those kind of jobs, yeah that's the ticket. :eyes:

[emulatorloo]

30. The only thing I have seen floated was cost cuts on provider side. Republicans want to give you a

Coupon.

You sometimes seem have a real problem with distinguishing between streamlining a program and destroying it. They aren't the same thing. You seem to focus on a single word, and are unable to get beyond the word to the content.

[SugarShack]

55. Then why bring up MediScare in a Jobs speech meant to inject more "hopium" into desparate people???

[Bluebear]

56. Hopium!!

Perfect.

[Bluebear]

63. !

[Dragonfli]

14. He has been talking about it for quite some time now, sorry if you don't listen to HIM /nt

[Bluebear]

20. It's so sad to see his own words at DU!

:cry:

[Dragonfli]

22. His own words: "just "negative rhetoric" spread by ME apparently, I must be a ventriloquist and he

a dummy or something.

I am very powerful it would seem, I make up shit and somehow it comes out of his mouth.
How DO I do it?

[Bluebear]

52. Feel the power!

[emulatorloo]

31. Twisted through the DU noise machine

[EFerrari]

44. It's being reported all over. nt

[Bluebear]

39. NO answer?

[durablend]

25. But can't we admit

Obama looked SO DREAMY as he was throwing Granny (along with the grandkids) down the river?

[Bluebear]

62. !!

[lunatica]

26. No. He said Americans have a right to Medicare

And that future Medicare recipients should get it too.

[JoePhilly]

27. For wanting to destroy medicare so much, Obama sure SUCKS at it.

[dionysus]

28. yes, he wants to destroy all good programs, put his cig out in a puppy's eye, and cancel christmas.

just for you.

[GoCubsGo]

29. As long as it's that abominable Part D....

The faster he puts that pile of shit on the chopping block, the better.

[Inuca]

32. My, my, are your ears and mind clogged, aren't they? n/t

[spanone]

34. let a republican win the white house and see what happens

[woo me with science]

35. That is exactly what he is doing.

This is a Republican plan that offers tax breaks on the backs of the poor, elderly, and disabled. It is the Chamber of Commerce plan, with minor adjustments.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1905093&mesg_id=1905093

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1905111

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1660734&mesg_id=1661130

[hifiguy]

37. +1

Same Regressive Shit, Different Day.

[Bluebear]

38. +

+

[joeybee12]

40. Denial is still strong at DU...lots of unrecs...they can't see the obvious...

REC from me.

[Bluebear]

Yup

[Bluebear]

48. Yup

[treestar]

41. No, I doubt that

And making changes here and there is not always the "chopping block." It's just as unreasonable to say no part of it can be made more efficient or cut as it is to want to end it altogether.

[Recursion]

42. Part D needs to go on the chopping block yesterday; so does Advantage

It's sticking our heads in the sand to pretend we don't need to change the program.

[Zorra]

45. Yes, it does seem that way. nt

[JoseGaspar]

46. Well, here's a question...

Who brought up Social Security in the first place? Social Security is not "debt". Social Security is not "deficit". Where did this Social Security "debate" come from? Whose "new idea" was it? Dumb-ass Ryan brought up Medicare vouchers but who brought up Social Security cuts?

Here's a related question... who is the "Grand Compromise" with? The "good" half is Obama, who is "focused like a laser" on it. Who is the evil half? The Republican establishment ran for the hills when Perry brought it up at the last debate... Who is pushing like mad to "reform" Social Security, to "defer" payroll taxes, and so forth? Which Republicans would that be?

The emperor has no clothes - he is as naked as a jaybird... but with an "aggressive" new style.... really.

I can see it. Can't you?

[blindpig]

47. Don't believe your lying eyes....

Ya better plug your ears too, so ya can't hear the anguish when the 'Super' lowers the boom.

Only Nixon could go to China.....

[Bluebear]

58. You know it

[defendandprotect]

59. Obama's already done it -- in interrupting FICA funding -- and stopping COLA's. ... !!!

Believe what you see !!!