Boots and Saddles! Boots and Saddles! Muster Call! Hartistas, get ready to ride!!!!

[Hart2008]

We The People want HART for President. Though people of Good Will, we will no longer allow ourselves to be led like lambs to our economic slaughter by billionaire bullies without an honest and open debate with our chief shepherd about our long-term $14T debt before he brings us again and again to the foxes table to decide how many of us are to be sacrificed on his next belt-tightening compromise menu.

10 years ago, after inheriting a budget surplus, President Bush began this moral and financial fiasco by ignoring credible pre-9/11Warnings and promoting unnecessary budget-busting torture-wars overseas while giving non-productive tax cut handouts to the super-rich. 3 years ago, after pledging to undo this fiasco, President Obama has squandered our enthusiastic support and Good Will by continuing the wars and the unproductive tax-cut handouts to the super rich billionaire bullies even as lives, livelihoods and liberties are in even greater danger than when he took office a seeming lifetime ago, January, 2009.

Yet, after pledging to accept only small contributions and federal election check-off money, our shepherd-in-chief took the big money – $980,000.00 – from Wall Street’s most greedy corporation, Goldman Sachs. Sadly, like Hart’s pre-9/11 warnings, we should have been shocked but not surprised that the humongous contributions from our bail-out tax dollars and Bush tax-cut extensions shapes our menu of legislation in the ensuing years.

http://rungaryhart.wordpress.com/

We're taking back this party!

More to follow...

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[hifiguy]

1. I find your posts interesting

and admirable. I am anxious to hear more, as an old Hart supporter from the 1980s. Please cut down the smilies, though.

[Hart2008]

2. Well, it is something to celebrate! NT

[sudopod]

13. "Please cut down the smilies, though. "

lolz

[Hart2008]

19. Actually, they are emoticons which show emotion and excitement!

Is there a rule here on DU about such things?

:shrug:

[leeroysphitz]

37. There is no rule but it's just common courtesy. That many animated smilies

can cause long page load times for people with slower connections and older machines.

BTW I rec'd this post and support some sort of presidential bid from Hart.

[Hart2008]

57. I was just trying to add some color, and jazz things up!

Anyhow, next time I have an announcement I'll do something a little different. OK?

Thank you for your rec!

:patriot:

[Bluebear]

33. Lol On smilies

[pinboy3niner]

46. lol! Needs less smilies, more cowbell :)

[grantcart]

87. wrong location

[jaxx]

3. He'll only be 76 in 2012!

Remember Donna Rice and then remember John Edwards.

[Hart2008]

4. And Benjamin Franklin was only 81 at the Constitutional Convention.

At this point, we need the wisdom of an elder statesman.

:patriot:

[Mimosa]

30. Great point! n/t

[jaxx]

38. At this point we need President Obama.

Elder statesmen are a dime a dozen....just look at the 'contributors' on the political shows.

[Rex]

58. Right, take the guy will less experience.

:eyes:

[Hart2008]

75. That assertion needs to be supported before it can be rebutted. NT

[JoePhilly]

41. Hart is no Franklin.

[Hart2008]

83. Mikhail Gorbachev introduced himself to the West, as the Gary Hart of the U.S.S.R.!

Hart's idol is Thomas Jefferson, but in my opinion he has many similarities to Franklin.

First, Jefferson was born into the aristocracy, while Franklin was born into a merchant family, and was a self-made man who went from humble origins to become an international figure. The later is similar to Hart's story of coming from the dust bowl of Kansas, born to a hard working, small merchant family, and the going to Yale, to managing a national campaign, winning election and reelection to the U.S. Senate, and coming from nowhere to leading Reagan in the polls in '84. When Mikhail Gorbachev emerged as the leader of the former U.S.S.R., he introduced himself as the Gary Hart of the U.S.S.R., by which he meant he was a reformer. The two remained friends afterward and worked on projects together. After Hart was shut out of the U.S. media after the '88 election, he had an audience in Europe, like Franklin.

This quote by Franklin best summarizes Hart's problem in '87-88

If by the liberty of the press were understood merely the liberty of discussing the propriety of public measures and political opinions, let us have as much of it as you please: But if it means the liberty of affronting, calumniating and defaming one another, I, for my part, own myself willing to part with my share of it, whenever our legislators shall please so to alter the law and shall cheerfully consent to exchange my liberty of abusing others for the privilege of not being abused myself.

Benjamin Franklin, An Account of the Supremest Court of Judicature in Pennsylvania, viz. The Court of the Press, 1789

The one thing Hart did not have before, which Franklin did, was his own press to publish his ideas to the world. Now with the Internet, he has that forum.

[JoePhilly]

104. Nothing has stopped Hart from publishing his ideas.

But look, I do enjoy this particular version of the "let's primary Obama" fantasy.

It much more fun then the calls for Bernie, Fiengold, Dennis, or Dean to run.

[ladywnch]

105. and this defense didn't work for McCain when his age was brought up

as a negative.

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. So what! I'd much prefer experience over youth. A 48-50 year old hasn't done

such a magnificent job....nothing to write home about. Seventy-six is young today. Donna Rice and Gary Hart have both denied a relationship and it WAS a VERY long time ago.

K&R for Gary!

[Hart2008]

6. His mind is still sharp. Just read his blog, mattersofprinciple.com!

http://www.mattersofprinciple.com

I have this idea that Hart is just made for the Internet age.

He doesn't need to worry about the "media" acting as a filter.

No one try that "Where's the Beef?" stuff when he can post it online for everyone to read it.

[jaxx]

39. LOL just keep believing.

[sudopod]

14. No worries, that's not even going to be retirement age at the rate we're going. nt

[Hart2008]

18. Hart was born November 28, 1936 and is from the Silent Generation!

Silent Generation is a label for the generation born from 1925–1945 notably during the Great Depression (1929–1939) and World War II (1939–1945)...
...The continued use of “Silent Generation” as a label has been justified by the lack of influential political leaders born into this generation. For example, using the Strauss and Howe definition, no US President has come from the Silent Generation;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_generation

Never before in U.S. history has a generation not had its president. So, perhaps they are due!

We certainly need a President with wisdom in these troubled times.

[jaxx]

40. Presidents aren't elected because they are due.

The repubs tried that with McCain. Are you looking for a loss?

[Hart2008]

50. Presidents are have frequently been elected who symbolize generational change.

Normally, it is the younger generation taking charge from the older generation.

The Boomers, however, have been an indulgent lot, and the country has undeniably suffered as a result of our three Boomer presidents. They have left the country worse off than before they came to power. Those are the facts, and it is the first time in American history that has happened. They have deindustrialized us, fought a succession of unnecessary wars of choice, ran up the public debt, and left the country with a lower standard of living. It is undeniable.

Given those facts, the case exits for generational change to an older, wiser president, with a record of integrity and duty.

Lastly, to answer your question, I have read the latest polling which shows Obama behind in the polls to both Romney and Perry:
http://pollingreport.com/wh12gen.htm

So then I must ask you the same question.

Are you looking for a loss?

:popcorn:

[jaxx]

56. No, I'm looking for a win for President Obama.

Perry is the hot potato this week, Mitt is a study in yesterday.

Your comments about boomers is weird. Clinton left us a surplus, bush destroyed it, and Obama is trying to get us back on track. Seems to me you are lost. We do not want some doddering old man to run this country like it was 1950.

[Hart2008]

65. Judging from the polls, unemployment numbers, and Obama's compromises, you must look hard indeed!

Regardless of his achievement balancing the budget, Clinton began the wholesale deindustrialization of the United States with MFN for China, NAFTA and other free trade agreements which we are now seeing the long term results from. Bush continued that trend, and Obama wants to do more of the same. No change there with Obama.

The standard of living in the U.S. has been in decline as a result. That decline is continuing with the increased unemployment resulting from the Obama's embrace of neoliberal economics, including supply side tax cuts, and his retention of people like Geithner from Bush's team. Again no change there, and no reason to expect anything more than pretty speeches in the future.

Hart is hardly a doddering old man. You might try reading his blog. Always an innovator, he was the first national political figure to blog!

Political analysts agree that it's the first true weblog to be put up by a politician.

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2003/05/58469

[tblue]

23. W is faithful to Laura, and a lot of good that did us.

Irrelevant.

[Hart2008]

34. Well we don't really know about that yet. We didn't find out about Poppy's mistress until later.

And they all knew about her too!

Nancy Reagan was dishing the dirt on them.

Jennifer Fitzgerald:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Fitzgerald

[Bluebear]

24. Struck a nerve eh?

[jaxx]

42. Hello Bluebear.

No nerve here. Just wondering why some would want an old has-been with a lot of baggage. A really old has-been.

[pinboy3niner]

59. 'A really old has-been'? C'mon--he's even got horse cavalry, apparently

:rofl:

[Hart2008]

60. He is a Western Dem and we will make this a horserace!

:woohoo:

[dionysus]

71. if you are sincere about this, i'll give you credit for enthusiasm, at least.

[Hart2008]

74. Hart has the contacts with the generals to get the helicopters, but it would violate human rights.

So, we must use the horses!

:patriot:

Hart serves as Chairman of the Board of The American Security Project:
http://americansecurityproject.org/about/board-of-directors/

Hart has always been keen on America's real defense needs, and not want defense contractors wanted to sell.

[dionysus]

70. did for me. the funny bone actually.... pure comedy gold...

:rofl:

[TBF]

36. Old news, Jaxx.

Your guy's in trouble if Gary Hart thinks he has a chance.

[jaxx]

43. My guy? The Democratic POTUS is just my guy?

I like it when posters out themselves with things like that. What brings them to a Democratic forum?

[TBF]

49. I'm leftist - I don't have a horse in this race.

And again avoidance of the question. If Gary Hart actually thinks he has a chance against POTUS, that is pretty dismal indeed.

[dionysus]

72. uh, to sour as many as possible on the dem candidate?

:shrug:

[Hart2008]

45. Hart has caught lightening in a bottle in '72 and '84. Once as campaign manager,once as a candidate.

He is not a perennial candidate like Eugene McCarthy. He wanted to run in 2004, but realized he couldn't raise the money needed to mount an effective campaign. So, he quickly endorsed his friend John Kerry. Kerry is a very good man, but I thought Kerry made a bad candidate. He was too stiff, and didn't relate well to working class people.

If he announces, and I believe he will, it will be because he feels he has a chance to win this. He is the perfect candidate for the Internet age. All of his ideas can be expressed on his website without going through the M$M filters. We, his supporters, can deconstruct the lies Bush sent Murdoch, and his tool, Tom Fiedler at the Miami Herald, to tell. The truth still needs to come out about that, and the Internet is a powerful medium.

Lastly, the truth is that Obama is governing to the right of the party base, and the country as a whole is moving left on economic issues and government intervention in the economy and regulation. Obama is still governing as a Clintonian triangulator. There needs to be a debate about this in the party. Thus, the primary challenge.

[TBF]

51. With ya.

As I commented, as a leftist I really don't have a horse in this race. But Gary Hart is more progressive, and might throw some crumbs towards workers. That's more than we got right now and that would motivate me to pull the lever by his name.

[Hart2008]

67. Gary Hart does not like to talk about himself, but he came from humble origins of the dust bowl.

He was born during the depression.

His family moved 11 times during his youth. They would buy a property. Improve it, and then sell it.

As a young man he worked on the railroads in Kansas with African Americans, and immigrants.

He knows what it is like to work for a living, and how hard life can be.

He frequently writes about looking after the less fortunate among us, and completely rejects the politics of "the devil take the hindmost".

He prefers to talk about issues, and has a problem talking about himself.

He never wanted any of his campaigns to become a cult of personality to himself.

He is a truly American success story.

[jaxx]

55. Do you know how long ago '84 was?

Your observations about Obama are nothing but your opinion. I disagree.

[Hart2008]

93. Yes. Do you? NT

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA????? Are you freakin'kidding me? HELL YES!

He gets my vote on that issue alone. :hippie::smoke:

I like what I've read on the site so far. :)

[Hart2008]

9. Just remember that these are statements from supporters, not the man himself.

However, as the older generation which wasn't exposed to marijuana in its youth dies off, I think legalization becomes more popular. The jails are full of nonviolent people, and the prison population needs to be reduced.

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. I understand. I do hope he supports Decriminalization though.

:) It's long overdo.

[Hart2008]

12. You can ask him yourself on his blog, mattersofprinciple.com

The odds are better of getting a response if you include support regarding the number of people incarcerated, the loss of civil liberties, etc. in a reasoned argument.

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. I just might do that!

:hi:

[Le Taz Hot]

26. Wait a minute.

As a supporter, you need to be REAL careful about ageist statements like that and wishing older people would just hurry up and die off for expediency sake. :thumbsdown: And just for the record, the vast majority of Boomers are just fine with legalizing marijuana. WE are the ones who introduced it into mainstream society, remember? :eyes:

[Hart2008]

28. Sorry you misunderstood. I wasn't referring to the Boomers there.

I was referring to the older generations who never experimented with it, nor had friends who did. They are the ones who criminalized it in the first place, and there are still enough of them around to affect the issue.

I never said that anyone should "just hurry up and die off". The old do die and make way for the young in the natural circle of life. That is a fact. It is the way of things in life.

I was not advocating that it should happen any faster than what comes naturally. Thank you very much.

:hi:

[Le Taz Hot]

31. No, I didn't misunderstand.

"However, as the older generation which wasn't exposed to marijuana in its youth dies off, I think legalization becomes more popular." You're saying that as soon as the "older generation" dies off, "legalization becomes more popular." IOW, it expedites the goal of legalization. My point was to warn you against using offensive language in your very enthusiastic support of your chosen candidate.

Further, criminalization was achieved via wealthy industrialists (see DuPont and Hearst) with a healthy dose of racism in the mix (the label "marijuana" was introduced to Americans via Hearst's many publications and for the sole reason it sounded, you know, "Mexican") as both had considerable investments in lumber and paper. (Cheaper, green) Hemp was their biggest competition.

The Schedule I status was ordered by Richard Nixon whose own commission deemed it pretty much harmless. He quashed the study and ordered Cannabis be classified as a Schedule I substance (highly addictive and no medicinal value).

Finally, it continues to be criminalized because it is in many a wealthy interest to keep it that way, namely the prison system, Big Pharma and others. It continues to be criminalized because politicians (Democrats and Republicans) are too afraid to make a stand for decriminalization for fear of being labeled "soft of crime."

None of which has anything to do with "the older generation."

[Hart2008]

32. You are trying to change my words here into somehing which I didn't write or intend.

Attitudes change from one generation to the next based upon their experiences. It is not possible to "expedite" something, when it is in fact occurring naturally. Noting that a change in attitudes is occurring, and making a prediction based upon that observation, does not mean that one advocating that it should happen any sooner than the natural progression of things.

Thank you also for noting Nixon's role in criminalization. He was from the Greatest generation. His actions were aimed not at gaining the support of the Boomers, but the older generations, The Silent, the Greatest, and the Lost generations.

As the political environment changes, so do the laws.

As previously stated, the advocation of legalizing marijuana was not made by Hart himself.

[xchrom]

8. Recommend

[mmonk]

11. I would agree to this:

"There is still this stubborn unwillingness to identify the two wars, tax cuts, and financial deregulation as principal causes of our economic woes.”

[swilton]

15. Go for it!

[Curmudgeoness]

17. Get out of these wars, and I can't argue with you.

This is an important issue with me.

[Hart2008]

98. It is first a moral issue, and then an economic issue.

It is an important issue to me as well.

[AntiFascist]

20. Unfortunate that there are so many unrecs on this thread....

perhaps someone's massive campaign funding is already being put to use. We need this point of view and it would be bad if the message got buried.

[Hart2008]

21. As Hart has written, ours is a massively corrupt republic.

Before we take the country back, we must first take back our party!

[tblue]

22. I guess they're happy with the status quo.

Heaven help us. And heaven help anyone who thinks what we have now is the answer.

[Hart2008]

25. Maybe just ignorant of what can be, or to scared to try for a better world.

It is sad really that they reject JFK's "We can do better!" motto, and then wonder why things haven't improved, when they haven't really tried.

[TBF]

52. You are a good person,

I think they're bought and paid for.

[SammyWinstonJack]

78. What we have now is a large part of our problems and certainly not in anyway, a solution.

And any real progressive, thinking that they might get anyway near the Presidency, is delusional. The PTB won't allow that to happen.

[Hart2008]

84. It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness!

If you do not try, then you cannot succeed!

[Mimosa]

64. I noticed that too.

What's wrong with the hope for a President who would be more of a liberal?

[Hart2008]

99. Some men see things as they are and say why?...

"Some men see things as they are and say why? I dream things that never were and say why not?"

Teddy Kennedy at Robert F. Kennedy's funeral.

[dionysus]

73. the obama campaign doesn't need to pay anyone to laugh at this idea.

:shrug:

[sabrina 1]

77. Well, I rec'd it because it's interesting.

I don't know much about Hart, but I do recall he was on a Committee that predicted 9/11 basically, or at least warned that there was an imminent threat but was, like everyone else, ignored.

He certainly makes a far better choice than what the Republicans are offering, so I'm interested in hearing more of what he has to say.

[AntiFascist]

85. Gary Hart is an excellent choice...

as a Senator who has sat on the Select Intelligence Committee he has all the necessary credentials, which is perhaps what makes him such a threat. The Party could very well be over if he were elected (meaning the end to much of government corruption).

[Hart2008]

91. Hart voted against Poppy Bush's nomination as CIA director and grilled him in questioning.

Senator Hart questioned Bush, who had been RNC chair under Nixon during Watergate, about the CIA's role in Watergate.

http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/freebooks/bush/bush15.html

[AntiFascist]

96. Very interesting!!

Hart also sat on a certain sub-committee of the Church investigation. He likely has a good idea of the point where the Federal government turned 'south', so to speak.

It should also be pointed out that Nixon would have been a nobody had it not been for Prescott Bush.

[eShirl]

27. Your enthusiasm seems a tad over-the-top.

Maybe it's just my pre-caffeinated state...

[Hart2008]

101. This is the normal enthusiasm for a Hartista! NT

[SidDithers]

29. Hilarious...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Sid

[Hart2008]

35. It's hilarious to think that Obama's supply side economics will solve the unemployment problem. NT

:spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray:

[Rex]

69. Sid Dithers

ROFL! :rofl:

[sabrina 1]

94. Now I know I have to find out more about Gary Hart!

If Sid is against it, it must be worth looking into!

:rofl:

[SidDithers]

106. Check it out for the comedic value alone...

Endless yuks. Endless.

Sid

[JoePhilly]

44. Donna Rice could be his Press Secretary!

[Hart2008]

47. No, she is too busy protecting children from pornography on the Internet!

Enough is Enough: Making the Internet safer for children and families
http://enough.org/

Now if I had to be in a scandal, I would want it to be with a lady who denies a sexual relationship, refuses $1 million from Playboy for an INTERVIEW, and then dedicates her life to protecting children from being exposed to pornography on the Internet.

I would welcome the comparison to all of Bill Clinton's women and their various stories and accusations against him.

But really, the whole story hasn't come out about Murdoch involvement with all of that back in '87, and then there is Carville's role as well.

[TBF]

53. Carville -

isn't he the one who got that whole story going? That's what I read.

[Hart2008]

62. Yes, Mr. Matalin is the former Hart adviser who started that rumor with Newsweek.

There is more in another thread here on that.

He worked for the Hart campaign in 1984:

More important, the book does only a modest job of explaining the Carville-Matalin relationship and why it works despite their political differences. As you read the book--which is divided into chunks marked "Mary" and "James" and (ghost)written in their respective voices--some things about their relationship do make sense. Their politics aren't all that far apart. She is prochoice, for instance. He despairs about liberal elitism in the Democratic Party on issues such as arts and abortion funding. Both are basically moderates. Beyond politics, other things bind them. They share a blue-collar, hard-knocks kind of background. He grew up in tiny Carville, Louisiana, the son of a postal worker dad and a mom who sold encyclopedias. Carville reminds us constantly that it was only after a series of botched careers--Marine, science teacher, small-time lawyer--that his life hit an upward trajectory. In one hard luck scene set in 1984, he is crying on the platform of Washington's Union Station, 38, completely broke, with nowhere to go after Gary Hart's presidential campaign, itself broke, said it couldn't pay him for the office work he was doing at its headquarters. Matalin's rise was not much different.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/All%27s+Fair%3a+Love%2c+War%2c+and+Running+for+President.-a015818789

That kind of strikes me like the office of Guy Banister that Jim Garrison described in his book. One office with two different addresses to confuse people that they were really one and the same.

[JoePhilly]

54. Who mentioned Clinton?

I'm just waiting to hear who will be Hart's campaign manager, who supports him, which Democrats have endorsed him so far .... and when his tour of the country starts.

But he better get busy. Time is running out.

[Hart2008]

100. Bill Clinton set the standard by which all future scandals will be measured.

As for you questions, we support him.

We are the loyal Hartistas.

The rest is for later.

Now go eat a hoagie!

[JoePhilly]

102. Ohhh ... the ubiquitous "WE" ... (and I'd prefer a cheese steak)

[Joe Fields]

48. K&R on the principles, but I don't believe Hart is the right messenger.

[Hart2008]

103. Who else is making noise about a challenge?

Who else in the party has the courage to challenge this president and tell him his policies are wrong?

[lonestarnot]

61. I prefer bareback and barefoot myself. Thanks though.

[brooklynite]

63. zzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

Here's betting that nobody who's replied to or rec'd the OP will lift a finger to do anything else to promote or implement such a campaign.

[BootinUp]

66. lol. nt

[dionysus]

68. ROFL

:spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray::spray:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Ikonoklast]

76. Shouldn't this be posted in Fiction?

Gary Hart, who has at least one thing in common with me; neither of us will ever be elected president.

[Hart2008]

95. Truth is stranger than fiction! Hart went to the WH on Sept. 6, 2001 to give a warning re attacks.

He met with Condi Rice but couldn't get anything past Cheney.

Hart has devoted his life to public service.

Surely, you are only half right.

YOU will never be elected president.

[Odin2005]

79. K&R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

[ProSense]

80. Have you ever heard of the American Security Project?

Gary Hart is the Chairman


Here is the board


It's fairly delusional to believe that Gary Hart is going to run against President Obama.

[Rex]

82. Yeah I don't buy it for one second either.

[Douglas Carpenter]

89. very interesting

[Douglas Carpenter]

81. indeed

[Hart2008]

97. So this is referring to Hart trying to get Cheney to act on the terrorist threat on Sept. 6, 2001?

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw

[Douglas Carpenter]

107. this is about a quest based on make believe..I know enough about those. I have had several

in my time. For better or for worse, rightly or wrongly - Sen. Hart is not going to run for President ever again. If by chance I am wrong on that point which I will concede to be remotely possible, but only very, very remotely - he will not be a viable opposition candidate to President Obama - for better or for worse, rightly or wrongly. And Sen. Hart is one of the more intelligent persons to have ever run for President so he obviously knows that. Reality is sometimes very painful. Perhaps one might as well live in fantasy and make believe.

[stlsaxman]

86. Has Hart declared?

[Hart2008]

90. No declaration but he is giving strong signs that something is "just over the horizon" on his blog!

He recently posted his manifesto for a "Party of Patriots" within the Democratic party with the timing for its creation being "just over the horizon."

Considering that he is blogging again on his own blog for the first time since 2003 or so when he last considered running, that he supported President Obama in 2008 and is now publicly criticizing him on his blog, his supporters feel a challenge is coming. He hasn't told anyone to stop a draft effort!

He meets three of the four categories for the challenger which Ralph Nader had suggested would come. Hart is a former Senator, an environmentalist who teaches environmental law, and an intellectual who holds a doctorate from Oxford. The only thing he is not is a former governor.

[brooklynite]

108. Just like Al Gore was "just about to announce something" in 2007-2008?

[grantcart]

88. Gary you really need to get a hobby.

Trying to spark your own spontaneous groundswell movement to pull you back out of obscurity has a certain comedic value but still . . .

[Hart2008]

92. I suggest you read his most recent blog post. He feels he should've done more to warn Bush re 9-11

Go read that and make your snarky comments.

http://www.mattersofprinciple.com/?p=751