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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:01 PM
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Exactly How United WERE We After 9/11?
Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 07:23 PM by MarianJack
I can't help but compare 9/11 with other tragedies that I and members of my family experienced in our lives.

I am the son and nephew of World War II veterans and "Rosie the Riveters". I am fully aware of how the memories of people can be somewhat romanticized over time. However, there is a lot that my family members told me that I believe and that we know from historical documentation.

The day after Pearl Harbor, my mom's 3 brothers got up early so they could be at the enlistment office before the crowd. They arrived to find a line going around the block. On the way to the end of the line they met my grandfather, who was well into his 40s (ancient by World War II standards) in the line. he'd come there from his overnight part time job. The other men were happy to let my uncles join him in front of them. When the recruiting Sergeant saw my grandfather he told him to go home. Only one of my uncles was able to serve. From my extended family, my father and 5 uncles served, my mom worked in a meat packing plant with some of my aunts. There were paper, metal and food drives, rationing and "Meatless Tuesdays". Some (many) people cheated, but there was so much sacrifice done for "the war effort".

When I was 8, President Kennedy was assassinated. The entire country (with the exception of some rightist dipsticks) was consumed with grief and for 4 days. There was an unfortunately correct sense among the adults in my family that this was the end of American Innocence and an ushering in of a national sense of despair that lasted for years.

On the morning of 9/11, I was teaching 8th grade in a small Catholic school in South West Philadelphia. My wife was the 6th grade teacher and we were a very close team with the 7th grade teacher. Our Principal told us that she wanted our students, the older students in the school, to be aware of what was going on. I watched the buildings come down with my students thinking of how I was going to explain the deaths of, what I thought at the time, 25 to 30 thousand people. At the same time I'd received a call from my mom who remembered Pearl harbor ALL TOO WELL and was on the verge of hysterics.

Afterwords, we, like all Americans in a time of national crisis and emergency, supported the president. My wife and I never considered george w bush to be anything other than an unelected fraud and a moron, but he was (ugh) the president and we believed that politics stopped at the border. American PEOPLE were for the most part remarkably patient with each other, ie. not as much road rage and things like that.

American "LEADERSHIP" however, aided by a very willing and compliant news media, was a horse of a different, and very grim and ugly, color. I remember the under-reported stories, such as how karen hughes used her 9/12 meeting with george w bush to give him a list of political opportunities the tragedy availed him. Remember "Who'd know that I'd hit the trifecta"? Remember the lies about how there was a plane that was supposed to hit either/or the white house or air force one? I certainly remember Rep. McDermott's statement in "Fahrenheit 911" of how republican members of congress were speaking of how they had the chance to do some of the things they always wanted to do. I remember President Clinton's observation that the bi-partisanship was entirely one way and how, if Al gore were in the white house on 9/11 the republicans would probably have moved to impeach him. I also remember how ann coulter used her first article after 9/11 to attack the Clintons. I also remember how the republicans and their media accomplices used 9/11 as a tool to suppress domestic opposition and opinion.

Most of all I remember how, when george w bush had his 92% "popularity/approval" in the days after 9/11, media members allowed NO challenges to or critical questions of the bush administration. The example of this that I recall most clearly as an illustration of this was when we watched a local Philadelphia media cypher named wally kennedy telling people who called his Sunday TV broadcast they'd better be careful of criticizing bush because of his approval ratings.

Basically what I'm saying is that while the media is in the midst of it's all 9/11 all the time frenzy for the next few days; while we get the glorification of george w bush from certain circles; while we see them give the credit to the government "leadership" that should go to the majority of the citizenry, maybe we should also remember that "United We Stand" frequently meant "Knuckle under to this administration or else".

Just my 2 cents.

PEACE!
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:08 PM
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1. I wasn't "united" and i'm still not.
We had a smart choice and a stupid choice after 9/11:

1. drop the Love Bomb - shower the muslim world with tangible improvements in their lives - like clean water, sewage treatment, and no more support for their dictators. if they didn't want it, provide it where muslims DID want it - nigeria, mali, anywhere.
2. drop real bombs - kill the guilty and the innocent alike.

We made the stupid choice.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:17 PM
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7. The exact reason...
...I'm slamming our "leaders" of the time.

PEACE!
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:10 PM
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2. Very, until W (cheney, rummie) started playing their games.
Iraq???
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:18 PM
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8. The point..
...that I was making about our alleged leaders.

PEACE!
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:10 PM
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3. When Bush was at 92% approval I was in that 8%.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:17 PM
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6. So Were My Wife and I.
We supported our nation, and as a consequence the unelected figurehead, in terms of the tragedy. We did however, know that we'd be very actively working for his defeat in '04.

I remember my mother cautioning me once to be careful about what I said about bush because of other people's reactions. I responded that I was not going to be afraid of using my rights and others had no right to try to stop me from a=expressing my opinions.

PEACE!
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 02:50 PM
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58. Personally I just never got over him obviously stealing the election.
His inauguration was also a dark day in American history and democracy.
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:48 AM
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29. Hear, Here
At no time, as events were unfolding on 9/11 and all time to follow, did I ever feel united with "the rest of the country".

The media suddenly looked quite different to me. It wasn't until later that evening, when images of the "stars and stripes" suddenly became this nationalistic banner on every cable news show, and did suddenly see in front of my eyes that we actually had an active Department of Propaganda and they owned every cable news network in fact they owened the entire media, including PBS and NPR.

I too thought that 50,000 people were trapped in those buildings, that's what I kept hearing was the average population during business hours.

When I saw the demolations and listened to Peter Jennings refer to the buildings as demolations, but for the entire narrative to completely shift a few short hours later and questions that were being asked in the beginning were no longer being discussed out loud was astonishing to me then and sickening to me now.

Been turning the tv and radio off a lot lately, but now it's going to remain off except for dvd's/cd's..


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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 07:35 AM
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34. How quickly did the media talking heads stop asking...
Edited on Sat Sep-10-11 07:36 AM by MarianJack
..."Where is the president?" while he was flying first in the direction of Texas, then up to Nebraska where he disappeared "into the rabbit hole" for several hours.

BTW, we don't even have cable or dish tv. We have DVDs and streaming Netflix to our tv through the WII.

PEACE!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:04 PM
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38. Yep.
The whole "patriotism" meme started awfully damn soon after 9/11 on MSM. No one was actually respecting the flag either. It's not supposed to be put on cars then left in the streets when it falls off. It's not supposed to be worn as clothes. I have a family member who was a WAC. That stuff bothered her. Even not being able to walk without a cane, she insisted we pull over and pick up the flags off the road when we saw them.

That whole "patriotism" thing was beyond creepy, not because it was bad to be patriotic, but because it was so contrived.

Wal Mart couldn't get their shelves stocked with flags on everything imaginable fast enough. They just HAD to make money off the tragedy...it was disaster capitalism at it's most blatant and transparent. It was beyond sickening.

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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:59 PM
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48. Same here.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 01:10 PM
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52. as was i
i felt at the time it was happening that 911 was no coincidence, and like jfk's assassination, we may never know the truth.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:13 PM
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4. Want peace on earth?
End poverty. End hunger. There are enough resources in the world for us to live off of peacefully. But the powerful and rich horde them so that only a few people get their hands on the basic necessities. Of course there is going to be crime and war and hatred.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:24 PM
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11. I agree with you.
:patriot:

PEACE!
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 08:31 PM
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24. Peace on earth is the last priority of our gov't n/t
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:06 PM
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39. Yep, because peace is not as profitable as war. n/t
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rationalcalgarian Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 01:17 AM
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31. End religion
Educate! and rid the planet of religion, the most toxic, murderous, psychopathic concept humanity has ever devised.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 11:12 AM
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35. Very true!!
Even Christ would be like :wtf:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:13 PM
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5. I wonder where that 92% of people who approved of Bush ended up going to discuss politics?
Any ideas?

Don
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:28 PM
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13. As I Recall...
...there wasn't much discussion of politics.

Of course the all too willing media was taking an occasional opportunity to talk about a possible 538 to 0 Electoral vote count in 2004. What a media circle herk.

PEACE!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:19 PM
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9. It ended the moment George told us to go shopping
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:30 PM
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14. That, as well as...
Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 07:30 PM by MarianJack
...commercials for so damn many products that equated buying their crap with patriotism was sickening. I'd forgotten about that but it kinda reinforces my point IMHO.

PEACE! :patriot:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:07 PM
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40. They actually pumped up the amount of flags they were
sewing in many factories too. Wal Mart was talking about how they couldn't keep the shelves stocked with flags fast enough. Anything to make money off the situation. It wasn't about healing the country at all. It was about making money off the horror of it all.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. How many of the flags...
...were made in China?

PEACE!
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:20 PM
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I was in the 8% that wasn't 'united'
Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 07:21 PM by ixion
I was appalled and disgusted at the neo-barbaric display, and remain disgusted, disheartened and disenchanted to this day.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:32 PM
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16. We were also in the 8%.
The conduct of leaders, media and (as a previous responder reminded me) advertisers kinda reinforces my point.

PEACE! :patriot:
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 01:14 PM
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53. i remember attending a music festival in sf
during the weekend of the baghdad shock 'n awe bombings in october 2001. me and a friend were watching it on the telly in the hotel room. she was crying and i was sooooo angry (not at her) because it just didn't feel right. my friend thought i was some kind of a monster cause i wasn't crying like her....
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #53
55. I was appalled and angry at that as well
and was told to STFU. :grr:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:20 PM
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10. We were united for the Rove and media to tell us that any questions were not allowed
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:33 PM
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17. A point that I made,...
...supression of domestic dissent.

PEACE! :patriot:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:25 PM
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12. The only way in which I was "united" was in being absolutely shocked by the destruction
Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 07:25 PM by Lydia Leftcoast
and sad for all the people killed.

Having visited the WTC, I could not believe that it was gone.

But Bush's reaction to the news, the Robert Ludlum-like "find" of the car with the Korean and Arabic flight manual at Logan Airport, the discrepancies in the official story, the war-mongering, and the nasty attitude toward Muslims or suspected Muslims that arose afterward were NOT things I could accept.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:35 PM
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18. YES, the reactions of...
...our alleged "leaders".

PEACE! :patriot:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:11 PM
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41. It wasn't until Queen Elizabeth had her palace guard
play the US national anthem that I even heard that. Believe it or not, THAT is what finally made me feel at least somewhat better. Our own leaders were singing God Bless America and nothing but. They were turning it into a religious war right away. I knew then that we were in for a bunch of crap in America for years to come...and crap we got.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:17 PM
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44. The Crap came from...
...the really crappy "leaders".

PEACE!
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:31 PM
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15. 9-11 divided us, not united us
My own experience was that 9-11 divided us into two groups, and one of those groups is still splitting.

In crude terms, 9-11 separated Americans into those who knew that Dick Cheney was conducting "tests" of our defense systems that would stop the military from detecting and shooting down such planes BEFORE 9-11 happened, those who learned it AFTER 9-11 happened, and those who are still in denial about it.

But it was a damned strange experience to be talking, on 9-10-2001, about shutting down the majority of our defense system to play war games with it, and the next day have 9-11 happen.

My emotional response was to force everyone who tried to talk to me about 9-11 to listen to Stan Freberg's "Try", for about two months afterwards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ePCbP3V2XU">Stan Freberg's song "Try" on Youtube, audio only
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:45 PM
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19. Again,...
...the supression of domestic dissent. the bush mis-administration certainly made as much political hay as they could. It certainly made starting a war easier for them.

One of the examples of the whole "sit down and shut up" mentality that enraged me the most was the whole attitude after the 2004 election that we no longer had a right to speak. As a result, one of our cars STILL has the Kerry/Edwards sticker on it. The other car we had at the time retained the sticker until I saw it's new owner drive it away in August of 2007.

BTW, Thanx for the link! :patriot:

PEACE!
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 08:35 PM
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25. Wow, another post from saras that deserves its own recommendation.
Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 08:35 PM by Kaleko
It's people like you that keep me coming back to DU. I won't be donating to this site until posts like yours can be openly discussed and the small group of seemingly "professional" harassers in the dungeon is tombstoned at last.

Thank you for speaking up, saras.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:50 PM
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20. one thing I remember from that day - is long gas lines
There was a line about a block long of people trying to buy gas. We were united? Ha. Then why did so many people want to buy gas? So they could get it before the price went up. So they could have a full tank for THEMSELVES, and not be one of those people paying $3 a gallon more next week. Those people in line were not thinking of their neighbors, or their country, they were thinking only of themselves.

Of course, that was not more than perhaps 20% of the population.

The other thing, I, myself, noticed that night was George W. Bush's happiness. He looked at 911 and saw an opportunity for him to play cowboy. His speech that night made me sick, and so did the press conference with Trent Lott chortling "there's no opposition party now" and Daschle nodding meekly. I saw that to mean, not that Republicans and Democrats were gonna come together and do what was right for the country, but that Lott was announcing, "we are gonna have our own way, and Democrats will not dare to oppose us."
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. As President Clinton Observed...
...the bi-partisanship was entirely one way.

PEACE! :patriot:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 07:57 PM
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21. Bush/Cheney should have been run out of office for 9/11 ... No way they didn't know ...!!
Would have been impossible to not know --

Even the United Nations came knocking on the doors of the White House and our

intelligence services in August just before the attack -- to warn the White House!


Russians had gone to the United Nations concerned about the administraitons "Operation

Ignore" -- total lack of response to all the international warnings!

Russians saw a "false flag" attack coming and wondered if they might be the patsy?


Yet we permitted these cheats and liars to be admired for doing what re 9/11?


Victims' families quickly said -- "DO NOT USE OUR SORROW TO CREATE WARS" --


And yet Cheney/Bush/PNAC plotted their way to an attack on Iraq!!

With the help, of course, of Tony Blair -- !!




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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 08:13 PM
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23. cheney absolutely,...
Edited on Fri Sep-09-11 08:14 PM by MarianJack
...but bush? I don't really know. There's a big part of me that thinks that he was just a dumbass frontman doing what he was told.

I will always believe (granted with no concrete proof) that when air force one took off headed in the direction of Texas, that bush was attempting to abandon his office and his handlers had the plane intercepted real fast so they could preserve the (terrified of horses) cowboy image they'd cultivated.

PEACE!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:31 AM
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28. Wait ... do you recall Condi briefing him ... "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within US" Memo?????
Edited on Sat Sep-10-11 12:31 AM by defendandprotect
BUSH HAD PUT CHENEY IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING DAYS OR LONGER BEFORE 9/11 AND

CHENEY WAS CERTAIN IN CHARGE THAT DAY --

IT TOOK BUSH'S PRESIDENTIAL AUTHORITY TO DO THAT -- !!

So Bush was the cover -- they needed presidential cover and authority --

just as the did re the JFK coup --


Granted, Bush seemed to be frightened -- couldn't blame him -- what if they had

botten caught? Still might happen -- Cheney is older and probably on his way to grave --

But Bush is younger --

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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 07:27 AM
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32. I Know You're Probably Right, But...
...the argument may be made that bush put cheney in charge long before because that's exactly what he was told to do when he took office. Remember how so many said that cheney ran the cabinet meetings while the moron sat there looking into space?

bush wouldn't have cared. He knew he'd spend the rest of his life being adressed as "Mr. President" after taking vacations from his solid 5 hour work days.

When you mention bush being frightened, I keep thinking of the scene fron "Farenheit 911" where he's looking around the class room with his beady little "Snidely Whiplash" eyes while Michael Moore wonders if he's thinking "Alright, who screwed me"?

PEACE!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 11:40 PM
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67. No ... Bush put him in charge of everything to do with controlling MIC....
and whatever needed to be put in play a short time before 9/11 --

Cheney became THE person anyone would go to on 9/11 for anything !!

Cheney was the FINAL -- the ONE AND ONLY -- re all of these events --
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 09:16 PM
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26. Right after watching the towers fall, I thought about how ugly the chimp's revenge would be.
As I was actually watching them come down, I thought it looked exactly like every planned demolition I had ever seen.

Watching the chimp, standing on top of the dead with his stupid bullhorn made me ill. I was never united with that mutherfucker.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-11 10:52 PM
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27. Well, to be fair,...
...he worked very hard to clear that brush when he had that report about bin laden being determined to strike within the US. :crazy: :dunce: :banghead:

PEACE!
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 01:08 PM
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51. I reacted exactly the same way
And I knew he would go to war over it, doing exactly the wrong thing. A female co-worker was so petrified that she thought I was being unpatriotic and suggested I go live in another country if I hated the US so much. I didn't take it lying down.

A few years later she was telling people she wished someone would assassinate Bush to stop him from ruining the country. She also said no one could have seen the wars coming. I didn't take that lying down either. She admitted, that yes, I saw it coming the day it happened.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:58 AM
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30. Post 9/11, I will never trust my government again
That was what I came away with.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 07:31 AM
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33. Unfortunately For Us,...
...the bush mis-administration fully earned that.

And all the while, not one of our crusading "guddam commie libril" media questioned the motivations of an administration that used fear as the primary tool to manipulate public opinion. Shameful & disgraceful.

PEACE!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:13 PM
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42. Same here. n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 11:14 AM
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36. How can I unite, when we still need a full investigation into criminal
activity on 9/11? Until I see someone actually going after the facts in the case, I will never feel united just betrayed by my govt.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:21 PM
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46. But...But...But...
...cheney said that no mistakes were made during their administration! :sarcasm:

PEACE!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:51 PM
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47. True...and we all know that anyone who is compared to Darth Vader
can be trusted!
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:59 PM
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49. I actually think that the bastard...
...LOVES the Darth Vader, Prince of Darkness, Count Dracula, Satanspawn comparisons.

Evil bastard.

PEACE!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 11:53 AM
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37. I didn't support Bush on that day. Never even considered it. Wasn't an option.
Edited on Sat Sep-10-11 11:56 AM by Solly Mack
Not any day before, not the day of, not any day after. Fellow Americans (and others) were dying that day but that didn't make Bush anything but what he still is...a canker sore that continues to fester.

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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 12:19 PM
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45. True,...
...I probably should have phrased it as "I supported my country".

As I said in the post, my wife and I never considered him to be anything other than an unelected fraud and a moron.

PEACE!
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 01:02 PM
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50. I was part of the 8%. I knew Bush was a fraud, and was frightened about what our reactions would be.
i was right to be frightened, of course.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 06:43 PM
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61. My Wife and I were always 8%ers.
We supported our country, but always considered bush a fraud.

PEACE!
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Tom Ripley Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 01:17 PM
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54. I was a proud 8%er
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 06:44 PM
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62. Us Also.
:patriot:

PEACE!
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 02:31 PM
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56. In terms of comparing 9/11 to the communal response you illustrated
to Pearl Harbor, WWII and Kennedy, we were united in our horror, in my opinion...just as much. We were, for the most part united in wanting to find out who had pulled this off. Reactions to what the government did in the months after 9/11 are purposely left out in my answer, because no reactions to government actions were given in response to Pearl Harbor and Kennedy. I get what you are trying to get at, but your history lesson only illustrates communal behavior in time of crisis. Your 9/11 story illustrates what the government did and how we have responded.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 06:47 PM
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63. I see your points.
I was praising the reactions of the citizenry (for the most part).

On the night bush was appointed to the presidency, my wife called it exactly right. She said that he was going to come in, f*** everything up and then start a war to cover his drunken ass.

PEACE!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 02:33 PM
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57. as an 8%er
I lost friends over it. I told them "you think bush just became a good man overnight, you are crazy?"
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 06:48 PM
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64. bush Illustrates the Axiom...
..."once a moron, always a moron".

PEACE!
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Michigan-Arizona Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 02:53 PM
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59. Hubby & I were part of the 8%er's n/t
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 06:50 PM
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65. So were Wife & I.
:patriot:

PRACE!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 03:05 PM
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60. ...
Edited on Sat Sep-10-11 03:06 PM by Fire Walk With Me
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-11 06:53 PM
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66. Thank you for sharing.
I'd never heard of this event.

PEACE! :patriot:
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