Bush went into the school knowing a plane had already hit 1 of the towers on a bright clear morning?

[NNN0LHI]

Under normal circumstances I might write that off and still go into the school to read a book to the kids.

But if I had received a PDB from the CIA a few weeks before that day entitled, Bin Laden determined to strike in US, I think I could have put two and two together immediately and canceled that meeting with the kids.

Because even if turned out that it was the best possible scenario and a single plane had somehow accidentally crashed into a building full of people everyone would understand canceling the reading of the books to the kids to take care of an emergency situation like that.

This is common sense stuff isn't it?

Don

[Laura PourMeADrink]

1. don't forget CON-di admitted she knew there would be a Highjacking

But she said they thought it would be a "regular" highjacking (not planes flying
into buildings)

What NO ONE ever pinned her down on ...was that she/they never did anything
about preventing a "regular" highjacking.

If those guys had never gotten on the plane...there would be no 9/11

[asjr]

3. "Regular highjacking". I hope that whole bunch

loses sleep constantly. And they still walk around as if they had nothing to answer for.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. I will never forget that moment when I heard her say that - and NO ONE

challenged her. I also remember hearing that the airlines knew nothing. If the doors were at the least bolted
or something...they couldn't have highjacked.

I imagine they have rationalized it all ...bet some psychiatrist has told them "there was nothing you could have
done..just let it go."

[NNN0LHI]

24. I thought this quote from Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer was even more revealing

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,238199,00.html

Responding to the subtext, that the administration could have prevented 9/11, kept Fleischer and Condoleeza Rice busy for the rest of the week. The explanation is the inherently obvious one: They surprised us, plain and simple, with a planes-as-missiles tactical leap. "There's been a long-standing awareness in the intelligence community, shared with the president, about the potential for bin Laden to have hijacking in the traditional sense," Fleischer said. Bush, he added, put out a secret alert based on the information the administration had, which wasn't much. Added Rice Thursday: "The government did everything that it could — in a period in which the information was very generalized, in which there was nothing specific in which to react — and had this president known of something more specific or known that a plane was going to be used as a missile, he would have acted on it,"

[SpiralHawk]

27. Don't forget that CONdi (R) later lied about that

The transcript of CONdi (R) spewing the official Republicon lies to the Official 9/11 Whitewash (R) Commission:

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-04-08/politics/rice.transcript_1_terrorist-threat-freedom-hating-terrorists-response-across-several-administrations?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

[Supersedeas]

28. Don't forget that John Ashcroft had stopped traveling commercial air b/c of the

highjacking threat.

[Nostradammit]

31. TRADITIONAL! She said it was to be a "traditional" hijacking.

"All of this reporting about hijacking was about traditional hijacking." ...

- Condi Rice

And then instead of getting fired, which would have been the ONLY logical thing to do
to a National Security Adviser who had failed as badly as she did, she is PROMOTED to
the job of Secretary of State.

Guess she must have been doing something right in someone's estimation, huh?



MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
The Bush family at the 9-11 Memorial Service

[NNN0LHI]

32. Let me ask you something if you don't mind me asking?

Did you have a difficult time finding that quote with Google? Because I tried to find it too and couldn't find it even from sites that claimed to have all of the best Rice quotes. I started thinking maybe I didn't hear her really say it?

Just curious about that?

Don

[Nostradammit]

43. Don't mind you asking at all, Don!

Had no difficulty finding the quote. Just typed in:

Condi, traditional highjacking

Which got corrected to "Condi, traditional hijacking" and gave me 9,550,000 results.
Perhaps all references to "Condoleeza" having said it have been scrubbed but the "Condi" pertains.

Hopefully people are saving all such things to their hard drives so future historians don't have to
rely on what remains of the internets.

[NNN0LHI]

46. I couldn't remember the keyword "traditional"

I knew she said something to that effect but couldn't remember the exact word she used. I just kept Googling Condoleezza Rice quotes and the one you found never came up.

Thanks for your help.

Don

[hlthe2b]

2. To my dying day, I will think of Condie Rice at the 911 hearing...

being confronted with the PDB and required to give the title of that obvious warning document. That she would dare try to justify the inactions and her incompetence after receiving that neon-lit warning is beyond appalling. How do people become so nonchalant about lying and denying with respect to something so monumentally significant?

[MadMaddie]

14. Her Line "No one thought that anyone would ever fly a plane

into the towerss"! (I am paraphrasing)

My answer is any counter terrorism expert, oh dozens of fiction writers and the list goes on....I have never liked her and still to this day I know that she failed America.

[Heywood J]

18. Or a group of writers for Fox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=384CCzUKHtA

[Volaris]

21. I was just going to say that the morning of Sept. 11, I remembered having

read something eerily similar not that long before....oh yeah it was DEBT OF HONOR by TOM CLANCY...

"no one could have imagined" my Left Nut.

Incompetent to the last, they were, and still trying to rewrite the history of that MASSIVE intelligence and security FAIL(ure).

[pandag]

49. Condi Rice & her Role in 9/11

Just came across this website by accident and am so glad to be here and to see other people saying the things I've been talking about for years. I loathe Rice - well I think the whole Bush regime are guilty of high treason. They all had that trademark arrogance and holding forth as to say "how dare we even question them?"! Rice's comments that she was busy setting up her offices, had important meetings, blah, blah, blah, while the Clinton people had begged them to look at the intelligence data, agents in the field had reached out over and over only to be slapped down and told to go away and there she sat in front of the microphones, with her blatant revisions of events and reasons.

I still hold out hope that all those involved will be investigated in the light of day by a Special Prosecutor and finally brought to account for their actions. The worst part is, aside from the horror of them getting away with all they did, is that if there's no accounting, then how "bad" were the things they did?! If truly, as I believe with all my heart, high crimes were committed and yet nothing is ever done what will it take before we draw a line in the sand and say this is enough. How crazy is it that Kenneth Starr spent how much money?! and took those years to go after and attack President Clinton for what basically was a private matter, but somehow the things that happened during the Bush WH aren't as important? I cannot reconcile this.

[chillspike]

4. Hell, I was a factory worker at the time and

even I knew it was an intentional attack the instant the first plane hit. First words out of my mouth were "No way is this an accident. Planes don't accidentally hit huge buildings in totally clear skies." Bush is a fucking moron.

[Divine Discontent]

5. as Laura says above, Condi knew, and did nothing to prevent anything, and also, yes, your point

about Commander AWOL just going into that school after being told by Rice what happened - which clearly meant it was understood it was an attack and so she called him (that part is also lost in the discussions), says so much about Dumbya just allowing things to happen. They were either complicit or incredibly incompetent! I made an OP (see if you can find it) just a few minutes ago, showing the August 6th PDB, where B*sh chose fishing over being a leader. That was the real failure - he did nothing but try to catch some bass!

rec

[dixiegrrrrl]

6. Later he lied and said he had SEEN the 1st plane hit, on tv, before entering school.

But the 7 minutes that he just SAT and stared blankly after the SECOND hit was reported to him...that told me everything I needed to know.

[Art_from_Ark]

19. I think he actually said he saw it live on a TV in the school

that was "obviously on", but he was "whisked into the classroom" without having much time to contemplate the event except to say "That's one terrible pilot!"

[uppityperson]

50. Even that was odd because the video of plane #1 didn't come out right away.

He might have heard about it, but the vid wasn't on up for pubic viewing for a while.

[Art_from_Ark]

55. Yes it was odd

His whole version of events of that day was odd, including the "slippers story" that he thought was so hilarious.

[uppityperson]

56. I don't recall anything about slippers.

[Art_from_Ark]

57. The "slipper story"

resident Bush: "But the day ended on a relatively humorous note. The agents said, "You'll be sleeping downstairs. Washington's still a dangerous place." And I said no, I can't sleep down there, the bed didn't look comfortable. I was really tired, Laura was tired, we like our own bed. We like our own routine. You know, kind of a nester. Like the way things are. I knew I had to deal with the issue the next day and provide strength and comfort to the country, and so I needed rest in order to be mentally prepared. So I told the agent we're going upstairs, and he reluctantly said okay. Laura wears contacts, and she was sound asleep. Barney was there. And the agent comes running up and says, "We're under attack. We need you downstairs," and so there we go. I'm in my running shorts and my T-shirt, and I'm barefooted. Got the dog in one hand, Laura had a cat, I'm holding Laura --"

Mrs. Bush: "I don't have my contacts in, and I'm in my fuzzy house slippers --"

http://www.lhj.com/style/covers/george-w-bush-and-laura-bush/?page=6

[uppityperson]

58. hahahahahahaha hahahahahahha hahahahahahaha. That's it? huh

thank you. Maybe it just isn't funny?

[Art_from_Ark]

61. Dubya seemed to think it was hilarious

Of course, many of us who were in shock over the events of the day had a different opinion...

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. I don't think that they expected anyone to find that memo.

Besides, didn't a key person, the Attorney General(?), stop flying on commercial planes about a month before the 9/11 attacks?

[notadmblnd]

8. It is all cloudy now, but wasn't it the Mayor of San Francisco or the Gov of Ca

that was warned not to fly? Or where they the one doing the warning?

[Divine Discontent]

11. Atty General Let The Eagle Soar Ashcroft stopped flying commercial airlines July 26, 2001, the proof

is in their actions... that is one of the most damning. They knew something was going to happen, and instead of taking strong action to prevent it, the one that was flying commercial airlines stopped doing so in late July because the warnings were getting dire, that he was advised more than likely that they couldn't have the nation's top cop being on a hijacked plane they knew was coming down the line at some point.


http://www.zazzle.com/republicans_2012_keeping_millions_out_of_work_bumper_sticker-128002960205017719

[The Backlash Cometh]

12. Has anyone ever asked Ashcroft directly why he changed policies?

[Divine Discontent]

16. he misled and redirected the questioning whenever asked. here's a detailed story of it, and if you

want to refresh your memory on it, it's very interesting. He did go before the 9/11 Commission and just diverted away from the fact that it was an unspecified threat, and therefore that's why he did it. Problem is, as people said, he should have sought out these people in the threat that he was told about, so that it didn't occur, but since they won't release all the files on the threats and what really happened, we have to believe he did nothing!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=259246&mesg_id=260257

[NNN0LHI]

20. Here is the actual CBS article for July 26, 2001 about that

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/ashcroft_flying_high.html

Ashcroft Flying High

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat. snip

The Justice Department insists that it wasn't Ashcroft who wanted to fly leased aircraft. That idea, they said, came strictly from Ashcroft's FBI security detail. The FBI had no further comment.

[The Backlash Cometh]

37. Geez. You put this information in the faces of right-wingers and they

just go blind. Can it be more obvious? They had credible evidence since July 26, 2001.

[MadMaddie]

15. Yes, I believe you are correct.

I am not a huge conpiracy person, however; one too many coincidences don't sit well with me.

[Aaria]

9. Get a copy of "Crossing the Rubicon"

[Aaria]

10. CAn anyone explain to me why only the Bin Laden family.....

were flown out of the country after this happened.

[MadMaddie]

59. Great question and it has never been answered

[Rex]

17. Yeah their stories don't all jibe.

Like Rumsfield telling reporters he was in one place on 9/11, then somewhere else later on. They shutdown NORAD for a very good CYA reason.

[tanyev]

22. And why did he stay there after the second plane hit?

I don't just mean his frozen look of indecision in the classroom. I mean they stayed at the school for quite a while afterwards setting up a little command center, addressing the nation from the school--surrounding himself with a backdrop of sacrificial teachers and students. Remember how the stated reason he didn't get back to Washington sooner was because they thought he was also a target? If that was true, then he endangered everyone's life at that school by staying there so long.

[NNN0LHI]

23. When he surrounded himself with kids that day it was his Greg Stillson moment

[uppityperson]

51. He "didn't want to scare the kids" by excusing himself and leaving. I mean, what if they thought he

had to go potty or something? I mean, really!

Oh, sorry, misread, thought you mean the 7 minutes of deer in headlights look. That one that we all found so reassuring. More sarcasm. Sorry again. Is difficult to not be sarcastic about that all.

Because he didn't want to scare the little kids while he was setting them up for a suicide plane?

dang. I'd better stop.

[NNN0LHI]

54. Then he surrounded himself with those same kids for a photo-op to announce that we had been attacked

:shrug:

[spanone]

25. bu$h* / cheney....not a shred of common sense...cheney = neocon ideologue

[opihimoimoi]

26. He knew the attack was coming...why do you think he was in FLORIDA?

[NNN0LHI]

29. Not enough evidence to suggest he knew what day an attack was going to occur

Or even that he knew for sure one was ever coming. But there is enough evidence to prove that he was warned of the possible threat.

But he should have been truthful about that with the American people even if it had cost him the next election.

Don

[WinkyDink]

34. He knew that Cheney was holding "war games" THAT MORNING.

[NNN0LHI]

35. That is a nice historical side note

But that doesn't prove that Bush knew an attack was coming that morning.

Not even close.

Don

[RockaFowler]

30. And wasn't there state of emergency here in Florida

I thought I remembered JEB! signing a state of emergency before the attacks (on like the morning of the 10th)

[wildbilln864]

45. and his presence at the school....

was announced in the papers weeks before the event! So how'd Bush & the SS know they weren't targeted with a hijacked plane heading towards that school from nearby Sarasota airport or elsewhere and would be safe to stay at that school another 30 minutes? After all they didn't supposedly know how many planes were going to be hijacked. :crazy:

[Hubert Flottz]

53. I think you're right.

Bush was a lot of things, but a good actor was not one of them. You could tell that the scene at the school was a set up deal. And Dick Cheney was safe in an underground bunker, probably mailing letters.

[opihimoimoi]

63. The First Idiot iws a lousy actor>>>his look of GUILT for those 13 minutes tells it all

He thought he was gonna get hell for fucking up the Aug 6th warning...but no...he got away with it...

[WinkyDink]

33. There is really only one way it makes sense. As Sherlock Holmes said:

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

[Hubert Flottz]

36. That school visit was part of the entire 9/11 dog and pony show...

the PNAC script writers thought it would make a greater dramatic impact on the fools in TV land, to stage Bush among the innocents as the "EVIL Terrorists" played out their "EVIL" parts in New York, Washington and PA. They forgot that Bush wasn't nearly as good an actor as Saint Ronnie. It was like watching Bonzo play the lead role.

[Parker CA]

38. What I don't get is why, after a second plane hit, did the SS not grab * and get the F out of there?

Waiting twenty or whatever many mins to just hang out when an attack was under way makes zero sense from a security standpoint.

[NNN0LHI]

39. Soon as they determined it was a terrorist attack Bush's minions went into full campaign mode

Every decision they made was based on getting Bush elected. The safety of our citizens became meaningless to them. That was obvious.

Don

[Rex]

40. Because they knew he was not in danger?

[sufrommich]

41. Condi Rice was shown on one of the 9/11 shows

yestrerday claiming that Bush's reaction on hearing(from her) that a plane had hit the tower was "hmmm, that's a strange accident". There is no way in hell the Bush administration thought this to be an accident at first, they had the information that Bin Ladin had plans for an attack on US soil. My guess is the the conversation was more like Condi: "They've hit the World Trade Center" George: "Oh shit".

[Nostradammit]

44. More like -

Condi: "They've hit the World Trade Center"

George: "I know, we're still waiting for the Pentagon hit and then we can get this show on the road."

[LadyInAZ]

42. part of the idea of governing body

is to ensure its citizens safety from offshore threats and attacks. 9-11 fits in that category. yes he should have seen to the country's situation and not the kids for book reading.... that can wait...

[DrunkenBoat]

47. Yes, it is.

[spanone]

48. you have to WANT to put two and two together...

[Beaverhausen]

52. and the Secret Service let him stay at that school for 45 minutes while the 'nation was under attack

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!

[m1049]

60. My Pet Goat

I'm going to have to give W a bit of the benefit of the doubt here. The WH gets memos like that all the time, and "Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S." was neither news nor specific. It's easy in retrospect to "put two and two together," but hardly anyone on 9/11 recognized what was going on until the second plane struck.

The problem wasn't what W did on 9/11 but what he did afterward.

[JohnyCanuck]

62. CondiLIEza's and Bush's blatant lying notwithstanding,...

the intelligence services and the Bush administration knew that, as you indicated, "Osama was determined to strike in the USA", and they knew terrorists had been hatching plans to use hijacked aircraft to crash into buildings. At the prior G8 meeting the concern that terrorist might want to crash a plane into the the building where the meeting was held lead to the installation of antiaircraft missiles as a defensive measure, and Bush slept on a US aircraft carrier for further protection from the chance that hijacked aircraft might dive bomb him in a suicide attack as he slept. They were also aware that the WTC was a prime target on the terrorists' lists of targets to take out. There had also been warnings flooding in from multiple intelligence services all over the world about plans for terrorist attacks and possible hijackings to take place in the near future in the US.

For more details on the above, see the documentary "Press for Truth" about the 9/11 widows (known as the Jersey girls) and other family members of 9/11 victims and their hard fought struggle against political opposition to get an official inquiry into 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ap-ZiqkNM

So then an airliner flies into the WTC tower on a perfectly clear day and they would have you believe their first assumption is that it must have been an accident. No way in hell do I believe it.

Meanwhile, CIA Director George Tenet was told of the crash a few minutes after it happened. A messenger gave him the news as he was eating breakfast with former Senator David Boren in a Washington restaurant three blocks from the White House. Boren says Tenet was told that the World Trade Center had been attacked by an airplane: “I was struck by the fact that used the word attacked.” An aide then handed a cell phone to Tenet, and Tenet made some calls, showing that at least some at the highest levels of the Bush administration were talking about an attack at this time. Tenet then said to Boren, “You know, this has bin Laden’s fingerprints all over it.” {ABC, 9/14/02}

http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday

Even after Andy Card allegedly whispered in Numbnut's ear, "America is under attack" they let him sit there for a further 7 minutes listening to the Pet Goat story and then they hang around the school for approximately another 15 minutes or so for him to make a previously scheduled 9:30am speech while there were hijacked aircraft (some real and some faked for the that morning's excercises) wandering around the country which no one in authority had a real handle on at that time (allegedly). Of course if they knew the target list that morning and they knew for sure Booker Elementary wasn't on it, it could explain their indifference.

Edit to clarify: The fake hijacked aircraft I referred to above as far as I know would have just been blips inserted into controllers' screens portraying hijacked aircraft for the purpose of the exercises. I am not aware that there were real aircraft flying around and pretending to be hijacked aircraft.