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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:14 PM Original message |
Chicago schools CEO pays a school $150,000 to defy the teachers' union. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. More. Duncan called Chicago school days a "badge of shame" |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. He's right. A less than six-hour school day? It is shameful. And the union rejected a longer day |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
57. True. Teachers should have 8 hours of contact with students and then go home and spend |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Most here do not consider teachers worthy, you are right. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. No, I'm saying schools should not close at the teacher's lunch break--2pm. |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. You had assigned prep times? Lucky you. |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. someone file a RICO lawsuit |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. Interesting that they could not find "roughly $80 million" but now have around $89 million |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Either they already had it or someone gave it to them. |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. It would be nice to know |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. They've had it all along |
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Dokkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
49. To play the devils advocate |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. I feel for Chicago's students and teachers. |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. It didn't matter who they elected |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. There was NO "old Democrat" in the race? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. I talked to one of the teachers there |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I hoped he would lose. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Didn't he recently scream bad words at the union head? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Yes he did. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. When some people are incompetent in their own jobs-they attempt to do another's. And fail at that. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
6. Does Illinois have a law pertaining to public collective bargaining requirements? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. yes ..... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
7. recommend. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
10. I wonder how much of that money will be swallowed up by "administrative costs" |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
13. This is happening in other locations as well |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Yep, Brizard is Broad Academy class of 2007.... |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. What authorizing body accredits |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. he was chased out of boston..... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Broad does it. Money talks. |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 05:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
62. Yea. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Yes I know |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
19. Good for him. Chicago teachers shouldn't get a dime more for a less-than 6 hour school day. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Though the average CPS elementary student spends approximately 6 1/2 hours on campus each day, |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Then adding 1.5 hours of instructional time to that will be a good idea. As for teachers making |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. And the teachers should be paid for it. Work additional hours. Earn additional pay. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. And the teachers in the OP have accepted additional compensation for a longer day. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Bribery and union busting, pretending that teachers only work 6 hours a day. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. So any teacher who accepted money accepted a bribe? nt |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Yes. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Bribery, union busting, and not clued in about why the longer day. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. You are so close that you are hot! Thank you for all your posts madfloridian. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Well, it seems majority opinion in this thread is that this is just business... |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
21. i`ve been following this... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. How is lengthening the school day a half-assed idea? n/t |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. when there`s no input from the families. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. No input from the families??? It's called an election. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Meanwhile teachers, because they also do work at home, miss out on time with their children. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. So do all professionals. It's why we make salaries. nt |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Not all professionals. It's why we have unions. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
31. I'm pretty sure this against the law. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. But when the highest leaders let it slip by them.... |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. It sounds like they're increasing the teacher's pay in exchange for more work |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. You really think that is what it sounds like? |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Why would the union oppose a longer school day? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. You seem to think unions should not be consulted and respected. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. And there was no prior discussion with the union or the teachers? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. It is Obama's education policy. It WAS Bush's policy but now Obama owns it. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. No, I just wonder what the problem is with a longer school day |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 12:04 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Ask someone else. I am at a loss to explain further. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. If both parties have the same goal, I still don't see why there was no agreement |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. "offering huge money if they break with their union".. in the corporate world, it's usually called: |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. You are doing no favors to people like seniors and teachers... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 04:30 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Thanks for the image advice. eom |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
73. Depends on how they spend the extra time |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Not according to the Teacher's Union president: |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. You are tuning out what has been said to you. Another link. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. So, if I have the story right - |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. See, you did not even read the link. You just keep repeating the same line. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. I read the link. I just want to understand how the falling out started. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. All the fuss is about union busting |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
42. Teachers' union filed a lawsuit against school board on Friday. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #42 |
68. “Asking our members to void parts of their own contract it is unethical and illegal” |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
71. +1 |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
51. And it appears that the winners here are the "reformers" who can do no wrong. |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
63. Race to the Top is institutional bribery, this is just more blatant. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Arne has enabled "blatant", and he makes no effort to show respect. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
66. "There’s no discussion with the people who do the actual work.” |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
69. I guess they win Obama's "Race to the Top of the Bottom" award. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Good one. |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
72. from all this republican whining about those greedy public unions, |
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