are lefties going wobbly on George W?

[grasswire]

On another thread here I mentioned reading a facebook page today filled with comments by die-hard progressives who talk about how they have warmed to George W.'s "humanity" in the last couple of days, and feel a lot of sympathy for him. He looked so "lonely" in the Sarasota classroom. He spoke with "sophistication" at the memorial for flight 93.

What's going on here? It is possible for compassionate progressives to go soft on an unrepentant torturer and war criminal.

One of them said that he DID go to a good school, but was coached in sounding simple and stupid for political reasons.

Gah!

[Arctic Dave]

1. bush needs to hang for warcrimes.

I will never change my mind on that.

[ixion]

4. Yep, agreed.

And he's still a coward, cravenly little man, in any case.

[Vincardog]

11. a coward, cravenly little man a liar and a thief. There is nothing to recommend the cretin

[hifiguy]

25. You speak for me, sir.

Agreed 100%.

[Capitalocracy]

50. I only disagree because I'm against the death penalty.

If I believed in an exception, Bush would be a good candidate.

[Cobalt-60]

54. Seconded

He belongs on the end of a new rope.
Short drop.

[butterfly77]

2. Probably, some of the trolls...

trying to misinform the uninformed on the matter.

[grasswire]

9. no, these are people who call themselves progressives...

...and they are not using IDs. Real people with real names and real professions that define them as progressives in work and private life. I'm not going to name the profession, tho.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

3. Define "progressives" --

If they are Will Marshall "progressives, I could see it happening. All "progressives" are not the same -- it is a title being co-opted by Third Wayers.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. I haven't changed my mind; he needs to be in the dock at The Hague.

It may be simply that next to the likes of Perry and Bachmann he looks marginally sane and not completely brain-dead.

[tularetom]

6. The only good thing I can say for him is I don't think he knew WTF was going on

He was so fuckin stupid they couldn't tell him they were torturing everybody and his dog and if they told him he might have blabbed it on TV.

[spanone]

7. fuck george w bu$h* on every possible forum in the world...cheney too.

[white_wolf]

His stupidity may very well have been an act, but

that just makes his many crimes much less. Bush is a liar, a torturer, a war criminal, a mass murderer, and an economy destroyer. He needs to be locked up.

[benld74]

8. Inform Facebook they have yet another idiot posting fools reading material,,,

[leveymg]

10. Even monsters and war criminals need love.

Let Dubya, Dick and their 9/11 inner-circle ponder the damage they've done for some years in a penitentiary, then we'll think about softening the focus and loosening the restraints.

[grasswire]

13. I could have some compassion for one who would flip.

But a flipper would be dead, pronto.

Can you imagine what THEY would do to George if he decided to flip?

[leveymg]

31. Me too. But, it won't be Dubya. They reprogrammed him and he got the best drug therapy

that modern spook medicine can provide. He hasn't felt normal guilt or emotions for years.

There seems to be an inverse relationship between operational knowledge and a willingness to open up about what actually happened. Maybe George Tenet, Cofer Black, Rich Blee, Tom Wilshire or someone else who was at CIA/CTC or gave orders and fell on their swords for Bush-Cheney will start talking.

[LaurenG]

12. Not this one

He's a liar. Nope not me.

[Le Taz Hot]

14. Oh, please.

NOW progressives love G.W.? Well, that makes sense because our ideology is so very similar to W's.. :eyes:
Wasn't last week's meme that we were all enamored with Ron Paul?
What's next week's? We're "softening" on Hitler? :crazy:
Unrec.

[grasswire]

16. I'm reporting facts.

What's to unrec about that?

Boo. Hiss.

[Le Taz Hot]

30. No, you are reporting

an agenda using a few isolated personal incidents within a social media network to "prove" your "facts." I'm pretty sure none of that is going to hold up under academic scrutiny. And from the looks of it, I'm not the only one Ureccing. :shrug:

[Warpy]

15. The GOP is trying to rehabilitate him by pushing real lunatics into the limelight

but the fact remains that he approved things like the abrogation of the Geneva Conventions and an imperialist war against a power which had not aggrieved us in any way for many years. Whether he was an active participant or merely allowed himself to be pushed around by men like Cheney and Addington is irrelevant. He approved of these things and more.

He belonged on trial here. Now we have to hope The Hague gets him.

And no, I have not mellowed at all even though his party has managed to find a few people who are even worse than he is.

[grasswire]

17. the buck stops at the Oval Office.

Even if he was used and abused, he gladly shoulders responsibility and even boasts of his evildoings.

[Enrique]

18. Obama shows why it might be a mistake to make it personal

if we make it personal, if we have to hate Bush for his policies, then when Obama continues some of his worst policies then we have to hate Obama too.

But if it's not personal, then we can oppose the policies without hating Obama.

[grasswire]

20. good insight

But bad for the future of those whose lands have oil.

[Capitalocracy]

52. But what if it's not personal but we still think he needs to be jailed for his crimes?

Then what happens when Obama continues those policies?

[Generic Other]

19. I have gone WOBBLY on him alright !

[coalition_unwilling]

41. Hah! Brilliant jeu de mot. Thanks! - n/t

[librechik]

21. as soon as I noticed he would be there from promos, i turned off my TV

refused to watch any of the live programs as I realized Bush and crew would be there acting self righteous. Fuck them to hell.

[elleng]

22. 'Progressives' are going wobbly on our Progressive President,

much to my anxiety and disgust.

[krabigirl]

23. Not me.

[Ohio Joe]

24. You saw it on facebook? And you take that as fact?

Sorry, but it will take just a bit more to convince me that it is true.

[grasswire]

44. well, I know the people who said it

....and I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

[dmallind]

26. Nope - still a vile cretin, but beware caricatures.

Not even vile cretins are vile or cretinous on all occasions in all ways. I saw nothing of his recent actions so can't comment on them, but everybody can have good moments or bad, especially people with speechwriters.

I've said it before. Hitler loved dogs. MLK was an adulterer. Gandhi abused his wife and Stalin made great strides in women's equality. To deny that Bush is incapable of having some positive attributes or actions is to abdicate rationality and see only caricatures or religiouus archetypes.

[RZM]

27. What's so bad about that last comment?

Isn't it generally accepted now that his West Texas swagger wasn't very authentic? Seems to me that was one of the most important lessons from his father's presidency . . . Bush the elder's aloofness and disconnect from regular people are often cited as contributing to his defeat (remember 'scannergate?'). I'd bet the farm that was one of the first things addressed when W began his grooming process for the national stage.

As for the rest of it, I really don't think much has changed, save maybe a temporary pro-W bump given yesterday's anniversary. There's a difference between not liking somebody and despising them with every bone in your body. I think not particularly caring for Bush is a much more common sentiment than thinking he is evil incarnate.

[fascisthunter]

28. I Somehow doubt they were or are Left Wing

also, one post with replies doesn't really mean much.

[sufrommich]

29. Good Lord. When he feels any sense of pity and remorse

for what he's done, I'll consider giving it a try.

[MoonRiver]

32. Not me!

IMO he's a mass murderer and should be tried for treason.

[Bucky]

33. I know that I am "going wobbly" on Dubya (assuming that's a euphemism for "pissing")

[EFerrari]

34. Ef that. n/t

[7wo7rees]

35. This is the problem with politics on the left.

We're capable of empathy for all sides of an issue.

[grasswire]

45. I am capable of it.

But I won't extend it to torturers.

[readmoreoften]

51. No. Upper-class liberals are. The Left has no interest in "empathy" for Nazis,

Teabaggers, Bankers, and War Criminals.

[grasswire]

58. so you are making an important distinction between...

...upper class liberals and the left. Good point. I usually refer to "upper class liberals" as "Utne Reader liberals."

[sabrina 1]

36. Well, Joe Biden complimented him yesterday for the way he

'held us all together on 9/11' or something like that. I recall him MIA that day, so not sure why Biden thinks he was sentient that day.

But they belong to a club to which we do not belong. Clinton is his BFF now, and Babs views Clinton as 'another son'.

So while we, the 'little people' oppose torturers and warmongers and war criminals, apparently even our own Party Leaders do not.

I did not know that until recently. And it puts us in a very bad situation. Wondering what to do about it.

[coalition_unwilling]

43. Biden, let us remember, allowed Anita Hill's reputation to be

sullied and besmirched during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings. Biden thus has zero credibility on any issue of any import. What a little weasel he was and is.

[hlthe2b]

37. Not this one....

No way, No how, Not ever.

[ellie]

38. Uh, no

He is a fucking criminal and he should be rotting in a jail cell somewhere along with Cheney, the undead one.

[Mnemosyne]

39. Do they mean George W. Bush, admitted war criminal? That George W.? No, doubt it. n/t

[hobbit709]

40. Shrub has no more humanity than I have his family's millions.

[Buns_of_Fire]

42. Yesterday, I referred to him as "Shit-fer-Brains." Today, I refer to him as "Shit-fer-Brains."

Tomorrow, I may refer to him as "Feces-Between-the-Ears," just to mix it up a little -- but he'll always be "Shit-fer-Brains" in my book.

[muffin1]

46. This liberal will never *warm* to him.

War criminal then, war criminal now. Now, if only POTUS saw things this way...

[Louisiana1976]

47. I'm a "lefty" who won't warm to Dubya and here's why:

I'll never forget or forgive the way, after Katrina and the breach of New Orleans' levees, Bush allowed New Orleans to drown and even now the Lower 9th, the hardest-hit part of that city, has hardly been rebuilt.

[Kurmudgeon]

48. My opinion of him hasn't softened. If anything it's gotten harsher, send him to The Hague.

[readmoreoften]

49. Uh. No. They aren't.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

53. Goofball facebook droolers.

Pretty impressive.

[grasswire]

56. well, no

They are advanced degreed professionals, colleagues in that particular profession from 'round the country.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

57. Exactly.

:*

[Chisox08]

55. George W. who?

Not George W. Bush the White House squatter, the war criminal and torturer, the guy who ruined our economy. I still hate that guy. He needs to be dragged to the Hague and hung for his crimes against humanity.
Now George W. Jenkins that is my homie.