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[WillyT]

Where's my sensible woodchuck avatar???

Obama Would Sign Parts Of Jobs Bill, Push For Rest
Sam Stein - HuffPo
First Posted: 9/13/11 12:41 PM ET Updated: 9/13/11 01:50 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- The Obama White House is revising its initial unwillingness to negotiate on the president's job creation plan, saying now that if individual components of the bill came to the president's desk -- as opposed to the bill in its entirety -- he would sign them into law.

The new approach opens up the administration to charges that it no longer views the American Jobs Act as a take-it-or-leave-it bill. But in a briefing with reporters Tuesday, senior administration officials insisted President Obama wasn't backing off his position that he wants the entire bill passed through Congress.

If lawmakers sent Obama legislation that would, say, send money to the states to rehire teachers, he would sign it and push for Congress to pass the remainder of his suggested reforms. As one of those senior administration officials put it, it would be politically suicidal to veto a bill that creates 1 million jobs just because it doesn't create 2 million jobs.

The less-than-absolutist stance contrasts with remarks made in television appearances earlier Tuesday morning by Obama adviser David Axelrod, who insisted that the president wasn't interested in negotiations "to break up the package." "It's not an a la carte menu," Axelrod said.

More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/13/obama-jobs-bill-plan_n_960100.html

:banghead:

:wtf:

:nuke:

[gateley]

1. If he can pass parts of it, rather than NONE of it, that's what's

important. Just ask those who will be the recipients.

Take it or leave it isn't the best strategy, IMO. If they "leave" it, no one benefits, if they take parts of it, that's good.

[TheBigotBasher]

3. Exactly

[MadHound]

6. Trouble is the tax cuts and credits will pass,

And the rest of it will go in the trash. That's not a good thing, to keep feeding more and more tax cuts and tax credits to the rich and corporate. They will simply take that money and bank it.

The two parts of the bill need to be securely linked so that it is an all or none proposition. As it is, a moderate Republican bill, we're not getting much bang for the buck as it is. Decoupling it means we will get none.

[Parker CA]

9. +1.

[dpbrown]

15. +1

Another way to get defunding of Social Security while getting nothing in exchange.

[gateley]

28. Well is sounds as though it may not be as securely linked

as initially presented. The example cited in the OP was funds to rehire teachers and I'd be all for that. Tax cuts and credits -- that's another story.

[Telly Savalas]

49. I realize that's being used as the example

and if the example was the expected situation, then I don't think anyone would have a problem with it.

But do you really expect Boehner and Cantor to start pounding their shoes on the table and demanding immediate funds to rehire teachers?

With the debt ceiling deal, Obama signed off on a plan that failed to meet the definition of balanced he himself outlined the week prior. So there's understandably a lot of skepticism surrounding his willingness to be tough at the bargaining table. (Although to be fair, the fact that the GOP is unconcerned with getting positive outcomes gives them a pretty big natural edge.)

What's likely to happen is that the GOP House will demand that only the tax cuts and free trade agreements be passed. In this event, Obama would do well to stick to his guns. He's already demonstrated that he's more than willing to bend over backwards to placate the GOP in the interest of trying to offer something to the American people. The time has come for him to insist that compromise is a two way street. The American Jobs Act is already a pretty watered down version of what we need, so if Obama has to reject passage of an even more diluted version of that to make a point, I don't think he's sacrificing too much.

[Dragonfli]

46. you are wrong, free trade will pass as well you see... /nt

[MadHound]

50. Oh joy in the morning

More jobs going overseas.

[yardwork]

47. Exactly. This will be nothing but another giveaway to the rich while the poor get nothing.

[Bandit]

16. Right all the tax cuts for business

Republicans will have no problems passing tax cuts, but how will it all be paid for if there are no new revenues?

[gateley]

26. The example cited is funds to rehire teachers. That's what

I'm responding to. It could very well be something like that that passes, because I'm guessing the Republicans are hearing about the teacher shortage, too.

If he only does the tax cuts, then that's a different story.

[Bandit]

61. Well you do know that almost 60% of his Jobs Bill IS tax cuts, right?

:shrug:

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

30. Half-assed plans won't do any good

Just like the compromised stimulus and the gutted health care bill.

[gateley]

31. Well, thanks - now I don't have to pay attention since you've

told me how it will all turn out.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

40. Why would I have to tell you how it will turn out?

Look around.....where are we right now after all the compromised bills designed to save us?

[TheKentuckian]

32. Keeping in mind that several of the parts are garbage.

Next thing you know we'll be demanding to pass these free trade agreements, patent reform, and austerity NOW!

Passing bills just to be passing something could easily create a sucking sound as we take another net job loss.

[Occulus]

53. Okay try this:

One law has two parts. The first part would take $10,000 from every man, woman, and child, and transfer it to the coffers of companies on the S&P 500 (for example).

The second part would use that money to guarantee that each payer has a job with a company in the S&P 500, whether those companies would ordinarily hire them or not.

Do you still think passing part of a bill into law is better than nothing?

I can point to many laws- hell, the vast majority of our entire body of existing law- that would be, frankly, bestial if passed in part, without their attendant articles.

"Just ask those who will be the recipients."

Raising the question, who are those recipients? Are you saying that a Work for No Pay provision, for example, is acceptable on its own, without anything else?

I hope not. I would hope that "work for no pay", even as job training (snort, giggle, jizz), would be unacceptable to everyone here, but these days, this place is so rightwing, I can't even be sure of that much.

[kickysnana]

58. "If we only have to give them Poland than that is good..." n/t

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[leftstreet]

7. EVERY TIME YOU USE ALL CAPS GOD KILLS A KITTEN

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[MadHound]

14. Gee, I never, ever see you get this worked up about other labor issues, why this one?

Oh, yeah, that's right. Huffington Post says mean, but true, things about Obama. Never mind, all is understood now. Transparent as ever.

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[MadHound]

36. Wow, you've slipped right over into Orwell Fantasyland, haven't you

What's your next all screaming caps screed?

[U4ikLefty]

51. DIE KITTY...DIE!!!

[Skittles]

54. I WILL KILL KITTEN-KILLING ASS

YES INDEED

[Bluebear]

55. Lol

[montanacowboy]

4. And so the repukians take out the part where,,,guess what?

closing tax loopholes to pay for the goddamn thing.

Get ready for it.

[Fumesucker]

8. But..but.. I just read an OP that said people making > $200K were going to pay...

[LooseWilly]

23. I didn't even get a chance to buy the popcorn to watch Obama fight for something...

I guess it's back to the cheap whiskey.

[FLAprogressive]

5. BUT IT WAS SUCH A GREAT SPEECH. When will people learn?

:sarcasm:

[DJ13]

10. Thats 4 days longer than I was expecting

Obama has found his backbone!

[yodermon]

12. Duh? When has a presidential bill ever been expected to be passed by both Houses AS-IS?

I'm open to historical examples (honestly)

[tblue]

41. Do you pay the sticker price for a car?

It's called NEGOTIATION. There's a strategy to It but it's not rocket science. If you want, I'll explain.

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[leftstreet]

19. ARE YOU A UNION THREAD HIJACKER?

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[tblue]

37. MESSAGE DELIVERED. I. THINK. WE. UNDERSTAND.

OKOKOKOKOK!!!

[kentuck]

18. OMG!

This guy is driving me fucking nuts!@!

[tgal]

He's using those 'walking shoes' alright

to walk back from everything.

Who is this guy...enough.

[tgal]

20. He's using those 'walking shoes' alright

to walk back from everything.

Who is this guy...enough.

[Autumn]

22. The tax cuts and credits will pass, not the rest

I'm not too sure I can be convinced that he thinks otherwise. He knows how this will play. Seem rather convenient.:puke:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

38. We have been down this road before with him.

too many fucking time for us not to know how this is going to end. :puke:

This is how it was planned from the beginning.

He got to go out there and give a couple of barn burner speeches, fire up some people, and appear like he had our backs (kinda) for the cameras. But, just as the insistence on the public option, it was all a show to deflect from what the true intentions are.

Obama is making a huge mistake trying to treat me like I am stupid. :mad:

[ProSense]

24. Hmmmm?

"Where's my sensible woodchuck avatar???"

Don't know, but given that the report states that the President will sign any part of his proposal that passes Congress, did you expect him to veto parts of his own jobs proposal? Which part, and at the expense of how many jobs? It's not like the report is about compromise. That said, the report is editorializing.

WASHINGTON -- The Obama White House is revising its initial unwillingness to negotiate on the president's job creation plan, saying now that if individual components of the bill came to the president's desk -- as opposed to the bill in its entirety -- he would sign them into law.

The new approach opens up the administration to charges that it no longer views the American Jobs Act as a take-it-or-leave-it bill. But in a briefing with reporters Tuesday, senior administration officials insisted President Obama wasn't backing off his position that he wants the entire bill passed through Congress.

If lawmakers sent Obama legislation that would, say, send money to the states to rehire teachers, he would sign it and push for Congress to pass the remainder of his suggested reforms. As one of those senior administration officials put it, it would be politically suicidal to veto a bill that creates 1 million jobs just because it doesn't create 2 million jobs.

<...>

The President was in Cantor's district a few days ago: Obama rallies crowd to his jobs plan _ in Rep. Cantor's hometown

He delivered his proposal to Congress yesterday: Obama formally delivers jobs bill, urges Congress to pass it right away

The President was in Ohio today pushing for his entire proposal.

Speculative reports that undercut the President's actual efforts and words are simply bullshit attempts to spark outrage.

[kentuck]

29. What message does this send to the Repubs in the House?

At least make a stand? This is rather stupid, if I must say. The Repubs now know they can cut how ever much they want and the President will agree to it. What nonsense!

[ProSense]

39. Hmmmm?

"What message does this send to the Repubs in the House?"

That the MSM can write anything and spark outrage.

[kentuck]

42. Hmmmm?

I hope you are right on this one.

[tblue]

43. What in Obama's history makes you think he won't negotiate away the good parts??

If you can't answer that, I'll take that for an answer.

[Shagbark Hickory]

25. Let me guess which parts are going to make it to his desk. Hmmm.

nt

[gkhouston]

27. The parts that won't do jack shit to create jobs. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

63. The parts that will please his corporate buddies.

And screw us 'lesser' people, of course. But hey



CHILL THE FUCK OUT, He's got this. :silly:

[scheming daemons]

33. Huffpo cites no source for this.... every public utterance by WH says otherwise

Huffpo has bad info.

[kentuck]

35. I certainly hope so...

It hasn't had time to cool off since they took it out of the oven. Hopefully, he won't give the good half of it away before he's had time to introduce it?

[yardwork]

48. And any minute now Obama is going to push for single payer, as soon as he finishes playing chess.

[truebrit71]

62. KO referred to the walkback as his lead story last night..

..."pass this bill", "Pass this bill","pass, this bill"....and then "if some parts of it pass, of course I won't veto it, but i'll push for the rest of it to pass as well"....

When will we ever learn...there's what he says, and what he does...and the two rarely look the same...

[jannyk]

34. I can't take anymore of this. No I won't listen la la la la, dee dum dee

oooooh FUCK!

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[doc03]

45. I said it days ago the Republicans will cherry pick what they

like and Obama will cave on the rest.

[bullwinkle428]

52. Let me tell you EXACTLY how this is going to play out. Obama's

"all or nothing" approach will eventually give way to the whole "sausage-making" procedure by Boner & Cantor. The two ass-clowns, along with their sidekick McTurtle in the Senate, will then cobble together something that's utterly loaded with Repuke proposals, with one or two tiny little crumbs tossed in to placate liberals.

A certain contingent will then start screaming, in total hell-bent fashion, that we MUST accept this all-new "grand bargain" - "ZOMG!!1!! HOW DARE YOU TAKE AWAY THIS LAST LITTLE BIT OF HOPE FROM TEH LONG-TERM UNEMPLOYED!!1!"

[Bluebear]

56. We will still get new free trade agreements, though

For "jobs".

[Dragonfli]

59. Well to be fair he just said it would create jobs, he never specified here so, almost honest /nt

[durablend]

57. Well of course!

They need something else to pad "The List" with

[Dragonfli]

60. I like how they padded the list with that Heritage Foundation abortion of an insurance scam, even R

victories make the list!