I have to say this.....Whether you read it or not.

[KoKo]

What's sad is that I think that MANY did "expect" Something Else from Obama.

And, we could differ on expectations and "Rainbows, Ponies, Stardust"....but, it remains that many Americans did NOT VOTE FOR...MORE DECEPTION...and Chaos and Obfuscation ...like we are getting from our Leaders.

And, the money that was given by "small folks" is being overwhelmed by the BIG FOLKS...and this isn't what people came out in droves in Red States and Blue States to vote for a candidate who had a "funny name" (that seemed very Islamic after "9/11") ...but who promised the force of the Reverend Martin and the hopes and dreams of so many Americans who thought they'd finally gotten someone "Of the People."

There are DU'ers who come back and say: "But, you had to know that he was a "Centrist" if anyone really listened to his speeches and knew his Background. They say: "He was always true to what he was ...but "You People" put hopes and dreams and expectations on him that he could NEVER Achieve! "These People" tell us to wait. He's a "Master Chess and Poker Player and a Trasitional who will remake the Political USA Landscape." "These People" tell us that we must be patient...because "He KNOWS."

I really don't see any of that coming true...now or ever. Only folks so disillusioned with him that they don't know what the hell to do going forward.

That's what I see around my neighborhood. My neighborhood is what I worked for here in my Red Southern State we turned Blue for Obama. I don't know if we can pull it off again in 2012...and I already see the "Koch/Chamber of Commerce/School Reform/Redistricting/Anti-Gay Agenda going forward since the "Mid-Terms" of 2010 decimated all the hard work we Progressive/Liberal Dems had worked for since Bush Stole the 2000 Election.

To dust...but with no Stardust left to sparkle our eyes and infuse our brains.

[daleanime]

1. I hear you....

:banghead:

[Jackpine Radical]

2. You said it all, KoKo.

[Old Codger]

3. Absolutely "BUT"

He is still the lesser of two bad choices. No matter how disillusioned I am it is no worse than it has been almost every election since I became old enough to vote, and that was in fact quite a while back now...I have voted in every election since 1962(at that time you still had to be 21) and have never ever voted for a republican or any other than Democrat and I am not about to start now. Regardless of how bad it seems now it is never so bad that it cannot get worse and surely will if anyone they have available on that side gets into office, it will make us actually wish for shrub back.

[gateley]

4. Another BUT, no President has been so completely stonewalled

by a Congress before, and before you all jump on the "he didn't do much when we had the House" argument, Pelosi got plenty of bills passed, McConnell filibustered them all.

[Bandit]

42. And Obama used the bully pulpit daily over it....right?

I seem to recall Obama remained silent the entire time those filibusters were taking place.. In fact he even sided with those in our Party that chose to side with Republicans, those such as Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman and a few others which are no longer around..

[mistertrickster]

56. Yup . . . and there's all the stuff he could have done WITHOUT Congress that he didn't do. nt

[gateley]

76. No - not even close and I totally agree there's so much more

he could have done/could be doing.

I can't pretend to understand his reasoning and motivation and justification, but I stand by my statement that no President has ever been met with such a brick wall of resistance before.

[polmaven]

88. The "bully pulpit"

doesn't work with morAns.

[Vincardog]

48. IT was not "Congress" that stonewalled BO it was the REPUBLICANS and Conservadems which I believe BO

IS. Did you hear BO calling out the RIGHT?
NO?
He reserves his finger pointing for the LEFT.
Funny that

[defendandprotect]

72. Obama's "stonewalling" on urgent issues -- MEDICARE4ALL -- and WARS is shocking!!!

Almost a challenge to Nixon's record on Vietnam!

Can't wait until Dems only control the House -- then they can control EVERYTHING!!!


ROFL -- as sad and pitiful as this all is!

[Doctor_J]

5. A lost opportunity of a generation

i can't believe that a politician who could make it all the way to the White House couldn't figure out that America soundly repudiated everything the Repukes stand for. For some reason that we will likely never know, as soon as he sat down in the Oval Office he started renewing/reviving/re-implementing Bush's disastrous policies. And in so doing he lost a big chunk of the 70 million who voted for him, and lost the mid-terms. Hopefully he'll either come to his senses before it's too late, or live to regret his debacle

[defendandprotect]

73. Obama had a liberal mandate and he threw it away -- while resurrecting GOP from the ashes!!

Can't wait until Dems only control the House so that we can control EVERYTHING!!!


ROFL -- except it is so sad and painful for so many Americans!

[rhett o rick]

79. Well said. nm

[cui bono]

86. If he does "come back to his senses" no one will believe him.

I believed a lot of what he said during his campaign but when I hear it now I know he is just trying to get votes and doesn't really mean it. His actions have proven that.

[Name removed]

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[bvar22]

7. I paid attention.

I am not mis-remembering.
I don't care about labels.
I didn't project my desires on a Blank Slate.
I discounted ALL the lofty Campaign Rhetoric,
and narrowed it down to specific policy statements.
After deep consideration, and weighing my advocacy for Working Class Issues,
I voted FOR this guy:


EFCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMNVIQqatyU

NAFTA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LtbLEKHsi0&NR=1

Cadillac Tax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8wmN3wvhNM&feature=player_embedded

Support for Striking Workers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o

Raise the Payroll Tax Cap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7pw0cFRTLE

Public Option & Mandates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acc6Wn_BWlk

Transparency
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU

Restore America’s Honor
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/respect-my-authoritah

Not only did I pay attention,
but I saved the Video.

Those, like me, who are "disappointed" have a valid grievance.
If you disagree with me,
talk to the guy in the video clips I posted.


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[canoeist52]

10. Thank you for this post. It should be pinned to the top of every page.

[ibegurpard]

22. thank you for that!

[Blue_In_AK]

25. Right, as always, Bvar22.

[chill_wind]

38. Excellent points, Bvar. And

here is just one more:

Social Security
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3O_ZoCyCbQ


"Now let me be clear..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1497099&mesg_id=1497099

[Vincardog]

49. +1

[mistertrickster]

57. Bookmarked! Thank you. This should be its own thread. nt

[Poll_Blind]

97. +1

I watched some of those videos and it makes me very upset.

PB

[EmeraldCityGrl]

100. +1

[rhett o rick]

101. Well put bvar22. nm

[ProSense]

8. Oh,

"Only folks so disillusioned with him that they don't know what the hell to do going forward."

...a lot of people are disillusioned because they want to be.

Whether it's saving the auto industry, labor policies, environmental policies, helping low income communities and families and homeless Americans, establishing the CFPB, and other reforms, the things this President has done, will have a lasting impact on real families.

Even a staunch critic of a misstep by this President can acknowledge that he has move the progressive ball forward in significant ways.

Now the President is fighting for a jobs bill that will create 2 million to 4 million jobs, and people are still trying to knock him down instead of pushing the plan.

Many people, from Howard Dean to , support the proposal.

Congressional Black Caucus statement on the President's jobs proposal

Jobs Plan Unveiled By House Progressive Caucus

Congressional Progressive Caucus statement on the President's jobs proposal

At this point, it seems some people just want to be miserable.

[rhett o rick]

13. I am disappointed in you. You usually keep your posts to the facts.

There are a lot of miserable people in this country and they dont "just want to be miserable". I see first hand children living in cars and using our food bank bathroom to get ready for school, wearing the same clothes they slept in. And yet Obama appoints Jeff Immelt who is at this moment moving jobs out of the country. NO one wants to be miserable. George Bush seemed to have powers that Obama doesnt. How is that? Signing statements, executive privilege and the power to loosely enforce regulations. I dont want a pony, I want corruption out of government.

[ProSense]

15. You

"'There are a lot of miserable people in this country and they dont "just want to be miserable'. I see first hand children living in cars and using our food bank bathroom to get ready for school, wearing the same clothes they slept in."

...misunderstood. The "miserable people" I spoke of weren't the unfortunate or those suffering. I don't believe they are as a group online trying to knock the President down for his jobs proposal.




The team to beat: Distortion/Willful Ignorance 2012

Campaign slogan: Working hard to confuse the issue so you don't have to!

[rhett o rick]

18. And you are living with denial. You want to think that people's criticism of the president

is because of willful ignorance. It's because of lack of results.

I am not trying to distort, I am only trying to deal with my frustration. Maybe you can help. Please give me some rationalization for Obama appointing Jeff Immelt? Is it some tricky chess move that is above my head?

Or tell me this. What is it the left wants that is not reasonable?

[ProSense]

20. Well,

"I am not trying to distort, I am only trying to deal with my frustration. Maybe you can help. Please give me some rationalization for Obama appointing Jeff Immelt? Is it some tricky chess move that is above my head?"

...if you're going to go around claiming that others are "living with denial," at least have the wherewithal not to ask them for clues to the cause of your own frustration.

[rhett o rick]

44. You are right and I will withdraw the comment. But I cant get anyone on your side to answer my

question. What is the rational behind Obama appointing Jeff Immelt? When I cant get a reasonable answer, I have to assume that Obama is leaning toward the conservatives. Instead of you explaining it to me you say I am trying to "distort".

[Jakes Progress]

61. Ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?

You can't engage in a genuine conversation here. You were being honest and forthright. But you met the wall of the "message".

Misinformation, misleading, obfuscation, distraction. That's the campaign I guess.

[Name removed]

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[rhett o rick]

78. You might be interested in post #77 above. nm

[eridani]

90. I can tolerate lack of results more than I can tolerate constant Repuke MESSAGING

Taxes bad. Tax cuts good. Government can't create jobs. Regulations hinder job creation. Banksters are "davvy businessmen." How much more of this shit do they expect us to listen to?

[sad sally]

45. "They as a group" - the poor living out of their cars trying somehow

to keep their family together however they can, they have no voice, so no they aren't "as a group trying to knock the President down for his jobs proposal," they are worrying about their daily existence.

[defendandprotect]

74. The "pony" players are only wasting your time --

try IGNORE --

Can't wait untiL Dems only control the HOUSE -- so that they can control EVERYTHING!!!

[rhett o rick]

80. These people dont recognize the fact that it isnt a war between the Dems and Repugs anymore.

It is We The People against Corp-America. They continue under the delusion that all Democrats believe in Democratic ideals.

I have most on ignore except this one because she is like their leader.

[defendandprotect]

89. OK -- but know what you mean .... Democratic party is PURE and only Repugs are IMPURE ... !!! ROFL

[girl gone mad]

26. "a lot of people are disillusioned because they want to be. "

That's an ignorant statement.

[SammyWinstonJack]

31. Some people just want to be miserable.

:eyes:

[tgal]

58. Why aren't you working to unseat the rethug governor

in your state?

You are here all the time berating Democrats while your state swings further right.

You should be out door knocking hours a day, especially since you are so well off and doing fine while so man suffer.

[Solomon]

9. Want some cheese

to go with the whine?

[rhett o rick]

14. Koch-Democrats are killing our party. nm

[ProSense]

Cuomo is a Koch-Democrat.

I agree that Koch is not good for the party.

[sabrina 1]

23. Yes, he is. Cuomo did one good thing, but he should never be

allowed to run for president. I hope he doesn't think that doing the right thing on one issue will carry him into the WH. He is another New Democrat/Third Wayer/DLCer. I would not support him ever. At least he's been around long enough for people to see his policies in action. So, I doubt many Liberals will support a run for the WH for him.

[cui bono]

51. How can you possibly not agree that Obama is not good for the party???

The only thing I can figure from your incessant posting and dismissive attitude, actually worse than dismissive, to those that criticize him is that you have a vested interest in his reelection. And that vested interest is in conflict with what is good for this country and most of its citizens because you are constantly defending a man that is taking this country into deep ruin when he had a mandate to save it.

[peasant one]

68. I waiver about Obama

I, too, am upset with this president.  I expected so much.  I
waiver on a daily basis about him.  I sometimes am so scared
that we will get a Perry or a Bachmann that I am hesitant to
criticize Obama.  Sometimes I think maybe he is the best that
we could elect under the circumstances. At other times I want
and hope that someone like Sanders could run and win --- at
other times I accept the fact that I am too far left and that
no candidate that I would really like could ever be elected
president in this country. 

[cui bono]

85. Yes, that is a problem. I feel the same way.

Until we change campaign finance laws and get rid of lobbying and have some regulations about the revolving door between govt/corporate/regulatory positions we have no control.

But we still need to be critical so that we can try to bring the Dems back left from center/right of center or get a real left party started that will work towards the original Dem Party platform.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[defendandprotect]

91. Or you might realize that YOU and corporate-Obama want different things ... ???

We have two RW corporate parties now --

Time for less fear-based thinking -- reflect on what FDR was telling the public

during that first engineered depression --

This is the second one !!

Let's work together to DRAFT Sen. Bernie Sanders -- he can run on a Dem ticket --


We need two anti-war candidates --

who aren't pre-bribed and pre-owned by corporations --

We need two candidates who will support MEDICARE4ALL --

Those are two issues which would begin to put America back on her feet!!



After that, we must address Global Warming -- even if it is only to begin to shut

down the nuclear reactors !!

[emilyg]

11. K

[Stinky The Clown]

12. Those who do and say as you describe do Obama NO favors by defending him in the most childish ways.

They make him appear pathetic.

[ProSense]

16. On

"They make him appear pathetic."

...the other hand, those who constantly refer to him as "weak," a "Republican," "Caver-in-Chief" etc. are doing him a favor by making him appear less "pathetic" in their non-childish ways?

[Name removed]

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[Stinky The Clown]

46. That would be correct

The grownups are unhappy.

For the record, I have never called him either a repubican nor a caver in chief. I have, indeed, suggested he was a weak leader. In fact, that's what my sig line is all about. If the reference is too obscure, let me know. I'll be happy to explain it.







The citrus mambo was the wankie wanker. Ledo's was the giveaway.

[defendandprotect]

92. Agree ... pulling out the "list" ... which would be overcome by the list of things

compromised or betrayed away --

and the continuing puerile suggestions that it is those who do the criticizing

who are at fault for wanting (fill in the blank from the nonsense options) --

while completely ignoring the corporate-Obama!

It's petering out but it is a sign of desperation and fear, imo --

They don't want liberals around -- but they still want their vote -- and their $$$ --


:rofl: -- :rofl: --

[donheld]

19. k & R

[ibegurpard]

21. I am so sorry

[Blue_In_AK]

24. Very well expressed.

I've always had little doubts about Barack Obama, so I Haven't been quite as disappinted as some people have been, but I did expect a little more fire out of him and a lot less compromising. He seems to always start the negotiations from the center point, so that we move further and further to the right. He should take some hard left stands and give the progressive Democrats something to work with.

The messaging of the Washington Dems has been terrible. There's no way they should have allowed the Tea Party Republicans to drive the agenda after the previous eight years of the Bush debacle. It does little good for the fervent Obama supporters to berate the rest of us who wish he'd be more of a progressive leader. It doesn't mean we don't like him; we just wish he'd take our side more often.

[WonderGrunion]

27. The fact that you were expecting something from Obama

shows you weren't listening at all.

"Yes WE Can".

"WE are the change WE have been waiting for."

These are the slogans that Obama repeated throughout his campaign. It wasn't just pretty words. It was a clarion call to every liberal activist that the fight didn't end with President Obama's election, it was just beginning. President Obama started the very day after inauguration day to start the fight for justice by signing an executive order to close Guantanamo Bay and when the assorted congress critters stepped in to block funding, liberal activists did nothing. A few months later they came back to check things out and had the audacity to blame the President for their inaction with congress. From the beginning, when Obama needed liberal boots on the ground to support his campaign promises, liberals stayed home and did nothing.

I guess WE weren't really looking for change, or WE were hoping someone else would take care of it for us.

[Demit]

28. Liberal activists didn't expect to be called "F-ing retards" by the prez's chief of staff.

WE thought that when Obama said "WE" as a candidate that he was including himself in the WE. Guess not.


Rush Limbaugh loved it:

'...Mr Emanuel's troubles have caused much hilarity on the American Right. Rush Limbaugh, the conservative radio host, said: "Emanuel compares Democrat activists to retarded people, then apologises to retarded people, not to the Democrats.

"Normally if you call somebody a retard, you apologise to them for calling them a retard. But he has apologised to the retarded people for daring to lump them with Democrats." '

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/7158169/Rahm-Emanuel-apologises-for-retards-comment.html

[WonderGrunion]

29. Yes, 2 years after liberals abandoned the president, Rahm got fed up.

Go figure.

[LondonReign2]

37. If by "abandoned the President"

you mean "noticed that he wasn't the least bit interested in passing liberal legislation and were getting tired of being thrown under the bus" you are (finally)correct.

[defendandprotect]

95. It is the corporate-Obama who has "abandoned" and betrayed the voters ....

not the other way around --

And he has recently iced the corporate cake in putting Social Security

and Medicare and Medicaid on the table --

but that was AFTER he betrayed the public on univesal health care in back

room deals with Big Pharma and the private H/C industry -- and then Rahm

"crowed" about what Obama had done in "preserving private health care" -- !!


Obama and big oil -- Obama and nuclear reactor industry --

Obama/Duncan and attacks on public education, teachers and their unions --


Endless betrayal of democratic values --

[Demit]

39. What made liberals abandon the president, in your view? Did they do it for no reason?

[Doctor_J]

84. Liberals support him by a huge margin

your post is, in a word, bullshit

[defendandprotect]

94. Koch Bros. DLC Rahm was notorious -- think too much heat on the WH keeping him...

is why he left --

[defendandprotect]

93. This name-calling hasn't stopped ... what was the latest from the White House?

[LondonReign2]

30. Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch

So now all the problems are because Liberals didn't back Obama strongly enough??!?! You must be fucking kidding.

Liberals didn't back Obama strongly enough so he caved on the Public Option, is that it? And if Liberals had just had more "boots on the ground" Obama wouldn't have renewed tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, or continued the Patriot Act, and renditions, and spying on Americans? And he wouldn't have completely capitulated on the debt ceiling debate?

All this is because Liberals didn't back him strongly enough while Obama was disparaging them, eh?

Yeah, that's some genius logic there.

[WonderGrunion]

33. You mean when liberals stayed home and allowed the Tea Party to form

Instead of pushing for the public option with their congressfolk? You mean when liberals couldn't be bothered to go to the polls to keep Feingold, Grayson or a Democratic majority and the tax cuts were the only leverage left to extend unemployment and pass the repeal of DADT. People in the Obama administration didn't start calling liberals names until it became painfully obvious that they weren't very concerned about standing up for liberal legislation. They just wanted to sit back and blame Obama for their own laziness.

[LondonReign2]

36. Liberals Allowed the Tea Party to form?

Holy fuck, you've really left reality now. I didn't realize Liberals, or any faction within America, had the power to stop political organizations from forming. Did you want us to kill Dick Armey, the Koch Brothers, and their millions of dollars used in forming the Tea Party? Or outlaw new organizations from forming? You seem to have a decided lack of understanding of both politics and the Constitution.

How more assbackwards could you get it? In your mind Liberals wanted liberal policies, but just *not enoough*, so poor ol' helpless Obama was FORCED to kill the liberal legislation. Damn, if we'd just cheered louder and clicked our magic slippers...

Ok, I'm done arguing with prima facie stupid.

[ChiciB1]

41. Sorry, But From Where I'm Sitting & From What I've SEEN... We DID NOT

stay home in 2010. Yes, I am a Liberal and now feel FORCED to vote for Obama as the LESSER of 2 evils!

NEVER have I felt this way about any Democrat running for POTUS. However, I think NOW others will vote against their own best interests. I just posted that my daughter, her husband and her son switched from Democrat to Independent!

And they've been around me and my activism FOREVER! I "feel" they'll vote for him again, but they are most assuredly UPSET! They may sit it out though. THEY don't like how he's governed at all!

[Blue_In_AK]

50. Your accusations are really offensive.

NO liberals that I know stayed home in 2010; in fact, we worked our butts off to get progressives elected to the House of Representatives. I'm not sure why people are allowed to spout this garbage here.

[Jakes Progress]

75. So if that's what the liberals did...and you didn't. Does that mean you aren't a liberal?

So what is your political leaning? You know. Since you can't stand those liberals.

[defendandprotect]

96. You want to dismiss Rahm and his notorious comments? Including re librerals and MIC ...??

When a president betrays the public as Obama did on so many issues -- beginning with

trampling univesal health care -- naturally they aren't motivated to come out to vote

for him -- that's called demoralizing the voters -- suppressing the vote!


Obama is well on his way to destroying what's left of the Democratic Party!

[lumberjack_jeff]

35. "We are the change we have been waiting for" is more than pretty words?

:wtf: It's gibberish. Y'all got caught up in a cult of personality, and are now surprised that he's not meeting the expectations you projected onto him.

[LondonReign2]

47. It's all our fault

If we had just loved him *more* he'd stop beating us.

[defendandprotect]

98. +1000% --- !!! k/r

[Joe Fields]

32. Let this be a lesson. Do your homework BEFORE you vote.

I saw this coming, and I'm nobody special. But I DID do my homework, and saw the man for what he has turned out to be.

My big question about Obama is this: If he is for the little guy, then why didn't he put in place a WPA style jobs program right at the beginning of his presidency, at a time when we were hemorrhaging more than a half million jobs per month, and also at a time when he had the most political capital to put such a program in place?

[TransitJohn]

83. Howdy pard'ner!

You and me both! I called this one way out. My friends think I'm some kind of political genius.
And I agree about it being stupid to not go Keynsian job stimulus right off the bat.

[lumberjack_jeff]

34. I voted for "not McCain" and next year I'll vote for "not Perry".

I don't really think I had any illusions about the hopey changey thing. It was then, and is now, empty rhetoric.

None of the credible D candidates had what it took, but arguably Obama had the least.

And yes, if you paid attention to what he said and did, you shouldn't be all that surprised.

[ChiciB1]

40. This Is Waht I Posted At Another Thread... It's A LOT Like Yours...

Obama WON'T get a challenger... I LOVE Sanders, be he won't run either, nor do I feel he could get elected. Just look at what happened to Alan Grayson here in Florida. And the unemployment numbers here are OVER 15%!

People KEEP voting against their own best interests. IMO, ONE thing that would be soooooooooooo beneficial and it's something so many of us have been harping on for a very, very long time is to make the RICH pay more! I KNOW, same old stuff, but so many I know and so many polls WANT THIS!

WHY Obama doesn't just get on a high horse on this I simply don't know. WE NEED JOBS and even his speech he gave while sounded gung ho looks to be getting watered down ONCE AGAIN!

I agree what happened in NY may have been a confluence of many things, but when ELDERLY people keep voting AGAINST their own best interests... we are really going to THE DOGS!

I live in Florida and this notion that people here WANT to protest their Social Security may not pan out to be true. And what has bothered me the most is, WHEN will TPTB understand that when people don't spend money, they stand to at least lose "some" of it.

I know at least FOUR families in my local neighborhood who have been foreclosed on and there are so many houses up for sale now. What is really telling about this fact is that I live in either the 2nd or 3rd richest county in the state of Florida. I AM NOT even middle class anymore, but I won't be losing my house and for that I'm thankful.

Still, my husband retired early and we depend on SS & Medicare! And yes, I freely admit that I myself have seen Medicare fraud that SHOULD be looked into, but not cut for those who need it. One of my doctors who I see EVERY 3 months no longer takes ANY type of insurance... Medicare included. I only go to him for medication because of a disease I have and he asked me to stay with him if he only charged me $90.00 for a visit. So that comes out to $30.00 a month. So I stayed. I've been seeing him for over 14 years, but he told me that he will definitely vote for Romney the last time I saw him a couple of weeks ago.

SO THERE YOU GO! Obama does have a lot to worry about IMO. I'm willing for him to prove me wrong, but my faith in him diminished a long time ago. My daughter, son-in-law and her family just registered as INDEPENDENTS and have been Democrats since they started voting. Soooooo even MORE reason for Obama to worry. NONE of my family besides one sister has EVER been anything but a Democrat!

People are simply FED UP! So rationalize it anyway you want, I'm seeing some actual CHANGE, but not the CHANGE Obama would welcome!

Sorry, I am not talking out of my Ass either, these are TRUE facts. Especially the turn around from my daughter & her family!!!

IT'S SCARY...

[KoKo]

59. Thanks for your view "ChiciB1"...and I wrote what I wrote because I see

and am having experience like you with what's going on out here in "real world." Not good.

[ChiciB1]

70. Too Many Times Here At DU Many Of Us Get Called Out For What We Say

regarding our disappointment with Obama and it's uncomfortable each time.

I've said it many, many times that I really DON'T want to feel this, I really want him to succeed, but too many times he's left me down, or hanging or something. Sure I knew he was to the right of me, but he was the nominee and I worked very hard for him. So many here think those of us who do make any negative comments are simply doing so because we are holding a grudge. It's just NOT that simple.

For me so much of it is about compromise and not using the bully pulpit. I'm tired of his speeches that rarely mean much when it comes to action. And that feeling IS spreading. I NEVER thought my very own daughter would switch and become an Independent, but she did. It is a sign because she and her family are the ones who pushed me to get out and support him in 2008. He wasn't my first or second choice.

Too many excuses keep getting offered up about how Repukes stonewall him, but I truly DO believe if he had stood his ground and pursued Democratic issues from the very start, many of us would do ANYTHING for him. He just didn't and I feel kind of left out. Democrats DID control Congress when he was elected and he just squandered it. I realize it takes Congress to pass bills, but strong leadership from the get go would have helped a lot.

I'm tired of hearing that he would be looked upon as an "angry black man" or a plethora of many excuses. So it's not in his DNA, but early on he used compromise and the Repukes saw THAT opening and given who THEY are, they simply pushed back hard. He seems to always start at mid-field and it makes me uncomfortable, and now too many others are turning away.

I voted in 2010, and always vote so for me it's not JUST THAT! I want to see strength, which doesn't mean he has to pound any tables. Just say THIS is my policy and I want Democrats to stand with me. He does have to take some blame EVEN given that Repukes will do anything to block him. They saw blood in the water and just kept stabbing, and now he HAS to do something which may be even harder than when he first got elected.

Repuke policies don't make me or many, many other Democrats very happy.

I'll stop now, but MORE could be said. Thanks for your post and I do agree with you.

[KoKo]

71. My daughter too...very sad...but understood her reasoning...and yes...

..very sad...but understood her reasoning because there was nothing I could say that could be reassuring...and yes,I agree with what you say..all of it.

[krabigirl]

43. I agree with you. honestly, i think this country has undergone a very hard right,facsist turn

it is even worse now than during the Bush years I think. I wish there was a candidate that had the economic policy of (senator, not President) Obama (public option, etc) with the foreign policy/civil liberties stances of Ron Paul, but pro-choice like Obama. where are these types? I guess I am way too far off in left field.

In the general, I will vote for Obama but honestly, I think the next president will be a very hard-right teabagger type. :( i really have no hope left for this country.

[Major Hogwash]

52. You lost me at rainbows.

Seriously, peeps who say it is all Obama's fault have no idea what the last 10 months have been about.

[JuniperLea]

54. I'm breaking my DU silence to say...

Right on... and that ignorance is why I'm going back to DU silence right now.

Every time I check back in, I remember why I checked out.

Then once in a while I see a post like this... and think there is still hope.

Society is so shallow, and thinking is even more shallow... it's painful to watch.

Over and out.

[defendandprotect]

99. Hogwash! Dems need to ONLY control the House -- that way they can control EVERYTHING--!!

What could be more obvious? Who needs the presidency or the Senate?
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[hifiguy]

53. Rec'd for truth

and :kick:eroo

[mistertrickster]

55. No kidding. We delivered for Obama, he didn't deliver for us.

It's that simple.

He gave a good speech on Jobs the other Thursday.

Now he MUST DELIVER.

If we lose the Presidency in 2012, who knows if we'll ever get it back.

[FrenchieCat]

60. I expected grown ups here at DU who were politically savy.....

and understood that it wasn't going to be as easy as they wanted it to be....

But we didn't get that.

Doesn't matter now.....so as you were.

WHAT MORTALS BE THESE FOOLS!

[Jakes Progress]

66. Did you read the OP?

The premise is that, despite the exhortations of the professional enablers that "everyone" should have known that Obama wasn't a liberal, most who voted for him thought he was.

If you disagree with the OP, then you are saying that you agree with those who say that we should have known that Obama was a centerist, that we should have know he was no liberal.

[pecwae]

82. Is there a particular reason for this

huge, graphics filled post in so many threads? It's on the verge of spamming and seriously plays havoc with those on dialup. Isn't once enough?

[Jakes Progress]

62. K&R You have it, but there are those who refuse to see.

It will be the reason they gnash their teeth next year. Here's what you will hear.

"Who could have foreseen that so many were so upset?"

"If only there had been some clue, some way of knowing that vast quantities of the ardent supporters that put us over the top in '08 had become disillusioned."

They strike a funny position with their banners held high and their heads in the sand.

[FrenchieCat]

63. Have some water.....

you sound breathless!

[Jakes Progress]

64. Which line will you bleat?

Could be that the powers have decided they can get more from a complicit Democrat than a lap-dog republican and Obama will get a second term. Could be.

But the self-imbued sense of absolute invulnerability that surrounds the super supporters can still take down this administration. Snark and alienate. Attack liberals. Ignore reality. That's the ticket to a one term presidency.

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[Jakes Progress]

67. When you can't reply, you call names.

At least you understood my post. You are doing exactly what I said. Thanks for proving my point so clearly.

[southernyankeebelle]

69. Your right. What are the alternatives? Vote democrat you get maybe half a loaf. Vote

republican you be luck to find crumbs. Lets face it. The office of the president doesn't belong to the people anymore. Both houses and bought and paid for by corporations. So what are the solutions? The country is a powder keg ready to explode. People are mad and scared. The only solution seem to get to the streets. I hope when people finally get there they will do it peacefully. I am afraid for our country. God help us. All liberals need to do is get into fights with tea baggers. They are riding the crazy train to hell and they want to bring the countyr with them.

[TransitJohn]

81. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours

So I'll just give it a :kick:. Good OP, and it's where I'm at as well. I think after this, that I'm done trying to affect politics on a national level. All that's left to us is to try to build communities in which we want to live, and maybe that was what we should have been doing all along.

[KoKo]

87. Just wanted to thank those who replied to this post...

and it meant much to me. :hi: to all of you who cared enough to reply...and good to know you are here..thinking like me in some ways and worrying.

We have to hope for BETTER...WE DO...but we need to know what we are up against, too.

Peace and :hug: We gotta slog on somewhere and somehow.