I don't believe any of it.

[Atman]

Think about it...if the DCCC or George Soros owned the voting machines, would the Republicans accept ANY Dem victory? Of course not. But that's what we're facing now. The GOP knew the demographics were against them, so they spent tens of millions to secure the voting process. There is NO WAY, demographically, that Republicans can win even Dog Catcher races in these largely Dem districts, yet they do. The only change? They also own the voting booths. Curious.

[Tippy]

1. K&R...You got that right !

[KaryninMiami]

2. You are correct. They own the machines, they own the source codes

and they own our votes. Why people are STILL not screaming FRAUD (that would be election fraud NOT voter fraud) I cannot understand. If they didn't own the machines, then they would permit access to the source codes in the machines and we would have open and transparent elections. But they do, and so they don't and our elections are RIGGED - every time and have been since those machines were introduced in 2000. It makes me ill just thinking about it. And it's why without a landslide to overcompensate for the skimming of 2-3 points in whichever districts they decide to help themselves to, we will continue to loose elections in largely Dem districts- including NY. When will America wake up?

[brooklynite]

5. Too bad then, that NYS votes on paper...

...if Weprin thought the scanning machines were rigged, all he had to do was ask for a hand-count.

[sweetapogee]

7. how do you

how do you explain 2008?

[KaryninMiami]

10. We had a LANDSLIDE in 2008- afterwards, they determined just how massive it was

I believe it was 538.com (or one of the election integrity research groups) who demonstrated that Obama would have actually won by an even larger landslide based on the exit polls, but due to the skimming in so many districts, the percentages were lower. Don't have the research handy- but it was very clear that he would have won by a bigger margin had the GOP not skimmed off the top in so many districts- all of which were using machines of course.

[Atman]

11. Since 2000, and the GOP ownership of the voting process...

...every big election is a 50/50 split. Isn't that a bit odd? Didn't used to be that way. America made choices and the electorate would get behind a candidate. Now, for some peculiar reason, EVERY major vote is "too close to call." Too close, and we no longer have real exit polling. Which means, the GOP owners of the voting machines can tweak results just a little bit to achieve the results they want. As long as you say it's "too close to call" from the outset, then you can call it any way you want and say "well, we said it was too close to call." REMEMBER: THE GOP OWNS THE VOTING MACHINES. This isn't conspiracy theory, it's not paranoia, it is simply fact, and any lurking Freeper or Cave dweller can research it for themselves. Starting with the GWB election, the GOP billionaires bought up the voting machine companies, and one of GWB's first acts as president was to "reform" the voting laws so that his new friends controlled the process. This is fact. Why we continue to put up with it, I don't know.

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[KharmaTrain]

3. Then Explain NY-25

A heavily rushpublican district that is now represented by a fine Democrat? That was only 6 months ago.

Ignore last night's results at one's peril. The Nevada seat was a long shot and the NY-9 seat was lost due to a stupid Congressman who gave his political enemies a loaded gun and then an inept campaign and candidate that also plays into a lot of anger at Washington and this administration out there.

This should be a big wake up call to Democrats about how tough things will be next year and the great perils that lie ahead. Blaming the machines for a poor party performance is a cop out.

[brooklynite]

4. Unrec'd

Please explain how Republicans "rigged" the votes in NY-9, but somehow forgot to rig the machines in more-conservative NY-26. Falling back on this kind of excuse is simply a way of not taking responsibility for picking lousy candidates.

[Atman]

13. You make a good point.

But, if you wanted to make a rigging look plausible, would you rig every one -- making it a bit obvious -- or just rig the ones that really mattered to you (and therefore save the Big Rig until you really, really need it?). Look, I know it's a stretch. It's just a theory. But do you believe the Republicans -- who really do own the machines -- are beyond this? Really?

Of course I could be wrong. But at least I'm not just automatically saying everything is okay because I want it to be okay.

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[FarLeftFist]

6. Wasn't NY-25 a 3 way race?

Republican votes split.

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. Horseshit! Even Democratic polling firms were predicting a GOP win last night:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/09/republican-bob-turner-is-poised-to-pull-a-huge-upset-in-the-race-to-replace-anthony-weiner-as-the-congressman-from-new-yorks.html

[Zax2me]

9. Sorry. FAIL. This has been debunked.

By common sense.

[Atman]

12. Your post is a FAIL.

Because common sense would dictate you tell us what the fuck you're talking about. I've spelled out my position. You've posted what you think is a clever sub line.

:shrug:

[Occulus]

14. Hmm. No,

these machines, taken as a class, are insecure enough you can install Pac-Man to them without breaking the tamper seals.

There is very good reason- from the point of view of those who would tamper with election results- why the course code that builds the binaries running the election software is not open source. If it were, the public would be able to pore over that source code, build it themselves, and test it at home for integrity. Since we can't possibly have an army of tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands, and maybe even millions of people uncovering the scam, all the doors on all the source code for all the election machines in the country are very firmly screwed shut.

That should raise a giant red flag all by itself. Counting is a CS-101 first-week exercise, and nobody should be fooled by these "problems".

These are not "problems", from the POV of the owners and designers of the machines. These are "features".

[Harmony Blue]

16. The sooner we admit it was a loss

the sooner we can figure out why.

[Atman]

20. Just finished lunch with the bosses...

They don't have any fraud concerns. And they're as dialed in as anybody you'll meet. We have access to all the polling, internal and external. Here they're saying it was simply a bad candidate with a bad campaign at a bad time. I agree with all of that...but combined with GOP-owned voting machines. But what do I know, I'm just a lowly political employee.

[KOfan]

15. I have my suspicions too.

I think the rethug tampering was stopped in 2008, seems it is back in full force.

[Atman]

18. I didn't think the Republican tampering was stopped in 2008 at all.

In fact, Rush Limbaugh used one of my posts on DU as a subject for one of his rants. I expressed my opinion that the GOP didn't wan't the presidency. Their plan was to tank the economy so they could eliminate SS and Medicare and bring about their new society, the Oligarchy. And blame the collapse on the crazy negro boy in the White House. Seems to me that's where we've come to.

[Broderick]

17. I agree!

Something is fishy on them winning a district where democrats outnumber republicans 3 to 1.

[lucca18]

19. I hate those electronic voting machines!

Does it bother the people in the congress and senate that the electronic voting machines can be compromised? Fair and honest elections?.....I don't know about that.