A Republican Death Panel.

[toddwv]

The Republicans' set the stage, now is the time to capitalize on their mistakes.

I'm sure that everyone remembers the GOPers' accusations of a death panel hidden in the Healthcare Reform Act. The claim was that end-of-life counseling was just a euphemism for a group empowered with deciding who lives and who dies.

Fast forward to today. Ron Paul declares that anyone w/o insurance should just be allowed to die because that was their "choice" as a gleeful t-party friendly crowd cackles in delight.

Let's also not forget that this is the party that wants to destroy SS and Medicare. A party that has already voted to give people discount coupons in place of Medicare that would raise the cost of enrolling in Medicare to the point where many, if not most, seniors would have to opt out leaving them w/o insurance and therefore putting them in the group of people that the Republicans would place on the cattle train to go off and die somewhere.



Right there's your death panel.

[liberal N proud]

1. They look like wax figures

So fake looking in every picture I have seen from that side show.

[akvo]

2. I'm sure this won't go over well here, but you should be honest.

"Ron Paul declares that anyone w/o insurance should just be allowed to die because that was their "choice" as a gleeful t-party friendly crowd cackles in delight."

Wrong. That's not what RP said. Go read the debate transcript, this issue is on the internet and easy to find. Take the time to learn the truth before speaking.

Paul said that it was not the govts job to provide free health care to the man, and he then went on to explain the way the system worked in the past. Specifically at the hospital where he worked, which did not turn away anybody that needed care (and this predates the law that mandates emergency rooms provide treatment). RP says private charities and churches will take care of the man.

Whether you believe Paul or not, you should represent his position honestly and debate the position honestly.

Now, let the complaints and "alerts" and name calling begin. God forbid someone demand a truth standard on DU.

[liberal N proud]

3. Contributors here usually provide a link supporting their facts

You could do the same if you have something to back up your claims.

Until then, your posts are worthless here.


Enjoy your stay!

[akvo]

4. I will do your fact checking for you.........

If you look at for example TalkingPointsMemo
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/tea-party-debate-audience-cheers-idea-of-letting-sick-man-without-insurance-die-video.php
and watch the video, the video ends before RP answers. TPM makes the issue that some in the crowd cheered for the man to die, which is another topic.

MotherJones also cuts immediately before RP answers the question and insinuates that RP said "Yes, let the man die".
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/debate-crowd-cheer-dying-man-bernanke

But if you continue with the debate to hear RP's answer for example here
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/12/tea-party-debate-health-care_n_959354.html
you will find RP says the following (as best as I can transcribe it):

Blitzer: but congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?

RP: "No. I practiced medicine before we had medicaid in the early 1960s when I got out of medical school. I practiced at Santa Rosa Hospital in San Antonio and the churches took care of them. We never turned anybody away from the hospital. And we've given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for ourself, our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it. This whole idea -- that's the reason the cost is so high. The cost is so high because they dump it on the government, it becomes a bureaucracy. It becomes special interests, it kowtows to the special interests and the drug company, then on top of that you have the inflation, the inflation devalues the dollar. We have lack of competition. There's no competition in medicine. Everybody is protected by licensing. We should legalize alternative health care. Allow people to practice what they want."

RP did not say people should turn their backs and let the man die.

What I object to is the lack of honesty and blatant editing to mislead people, and the mentality that is willing to blindly accept whatever fits their preconceived political agenda. Liberals are supposed to be inquisitive, open to new ideas, and truth seekers. Not liars.

[akvo]

5. You mean like the link provided in post #1?

Oh, wait, there is no link in post #1. Just a an accusation with nothing to back it up.

People afraid of the truth frequently use double standards.

[TwilightGardener]

6. He did say something along the order of "we can't just take care of everybody" and

talked about charity. Just the usual Republican health care plan: you're on your own, good luck.