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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:30 PM
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MSNBC - "The liberal disaffection myth" - Points Out The Beltway (Corporate Media) Narrative
A while back when this board was being flooded with ubiquitous headlines announcing that unions were abandoning Democrats and the President, I posted an article reporting on an interview by Candy Crowley of Jim Hoffa and a transcript of the interview itself. The article repeated the narrative of great tension between Democrats and unions. But, the transcript itself showed that Hoffa was slamming on Republicans despite the efforts of Candy Crowley to try to get Hoffa to buy into the premise that labor was unhappy with President Obama. Indeed, rather than describe this interview accurately, we were treated to a series of articles saying that Hoffa called Apple unpatriotic!

Well, here is an article on MSNBC addressing the liberal disaffection myth that is pushed by the corporate media. Indeed, a while back, I posted a series of articles from Fox News repeating this narrative, and asked whether this was evidence that Fox was being sensitive to the concerns of liberals or whether it was evidence that Fox was trying to promote this narrative.

Finally, when the right wing was pissed and had got their assed handed to them in 2008, what was the narrative being pushed? It was not that the right wing was so upset that they were not going to vote for establishment Republicans! Instead, the narrative was Tea Party with small gatherings of a few people being promoted as evidence of a massive movement. Eventually, with substantial financial support from astroturf groups like Freedom Works, the Tea Party types became the astroturf stormtroopers of the right wing.

In sharp contrast, following 2010, the beltway media busily promotes the narrative of disaffected liberals and Democrats who react to their unhappiness with the lack of action by the (Republican dominated) 112th Congress by blaming the President and Democrats. Even as Republicans take historic steps to tank the economy leading to the worse Congress ever, Republicans are given a free pass and the President is blamed for historical lows for legilation being passed by Congress.

Now, if President Obama was vetoing legislation left and right, critics might be able to blame him for the lack of action by Congress, but you would think that Boehner and Cantor should get some blame as well. But that is not the narrative. Indeed, the lack of action is praised as savy politicing by Boehner and Cantor. Yes, up becomes down with the beltway media. Sadly, large segments of the American public begin to buy into this narrative and refuse to hold Republicans accountable, and blame Democrats for gridlock caused by the actions of Republicans.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/14/7760560-the-liberal-disaffection-myth


President Obama’s base has abandoned him – so goes the conventional Beltway wisdom. The problem with this accepted narrative: There’s no data to back this up, according to the most recent NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll.

The survey, which was conducted in late August, was abysmal for the president, save for his head-to-head match ups with GOP presidential contenders. But it also included these numbers:

-- By an 81%-14% margin, Democrats approved of his job performance, essentially unchanged from his 82%-14% score in July.

-- Among liberals, it was 74%-21% -- exactly the same numbers from July.

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 12:09 AM
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1. Thanks.
K & R :thumbsup:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 12:16 AM
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2. K&R
But there are many who just won't accept that this is the truth of the matter. They will reject or dismiss every bit of data that says that their perception is not shared by the vast majority of liberals and/or Democrats because "everyone they know" feels "disappointed."

Polls are dismissed. Lists are ignored. Data is rejected. It's almost laughable. But it's really much more sad than anything else.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:25 AM
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18. And 35 minutes later, your prediction comes true down the thread...
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 04:47 PM
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19. I'm surprised it took 35 minutes!
:)

This place has become so... special now.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 12:17 AM
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3. Stop it with your facts and numbers and blue links and reality.
:sarcasm:

K&R.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 12:42 AM
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4. K & R!
n/t
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 12:50 AM
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5. do you actually talk to folks? it is impossible to believe this..nt
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 12:54 AM
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6. But isn't that the problem of those who don't believe it?
Edited on Thu Sep-15-11 01:00 AM by BzaDem
I thought Democrats were supposed to be the party of facts and numbers over anecdotes.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 07:23 AM
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12. It's the latest Talking Points.
We're all too stupid to understand we are being played by the ptb and most of us on DU questioning Obama's policies are right wing political plants. Now, that you're up to do, DO try to keep up. ;-)
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:22 AM
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15. Portraying DUers as "right wing political plants" seems a common response to disagreements here.
It seems to come both from different perspectives and goes beyond accusations of being "right wing political plants" to include "Obama-haters", "DLC types", etc.

Maybe it's human nature to assume that someone you disagree with must be a "plant" or a "dupe" rather than someone who shares a broad political philosophy with you but has a different take on a particular policy.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:22 AM
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17. Some of us here realize there are posters here actively working against Democrats *in general*.
Edited on Thu Sep-15-11 09:23 AM by Occulus
We had that proven conclusively to us during The Reveal. I believe it was when Kerry beat Bush in the general and had it stolen from him; several posters of some time and general reasonableness "revealed" themselves to be not only Republicans, but actual Freeper "moles". One or two of these people had fooled literally everyone on the board, including me (and I tend to be able to detect that sort of deceptive odor).

If you ever see something like:


-Ignored
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--Poster with reasonable, calm counterargument
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----Poster says something like "that's not what I said at all, you left out..."
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-----Ignored
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------poster says something like "the article DIDN'T SAY THAT. FIRST he asked for help, THEN..."
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-------Ignored
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--------Deleted Message
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You know someone's up to no good and it's usually pretty easy to see who's doing what, even with one of the posters as Ignored. Such behavior goes well beyond simple disagreement, and the person who's doing the agitating almost always follows a particular set of 'rules' and 'guidelines'.

I think there are whole books dedicated to the concept of trolling, which is what you're really talking about. We all would do well to read at least one of them.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 12:59 AM
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7. kick & rec
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:21 AM
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8. ?? what beltway wisdom?
Edited on Thu Sep-15-11 01:21 AM by iamthebandfanman
i have not heard anybody suggesting such in the mainstream media ?

infact i see people pointing out the opposite all the time.


more false self righteousness from a koolaid drinker.


we get it, hes the best.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:33 AM
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9. Then Obama should keep doing exactly what he's been doing.
And we can look forward to 4 more years just like the last 2+ years.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 06:49 AM
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10. K&R. nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 07:21 AM
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11. i can remember back in 2004 being told repeatedly i didnt like kerry, he only
had my support cause it was "anything but bush" or whatever one liner they adopted. it has been going on for a long time
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 07:57 AM
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13. Thanks for posting this!
I am tired of being told by "Democrats" on this board that President Obama is not doing enough for me. They know who they are.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:00 AM
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14. K&R...
There's a lot of noise, but not much substance, in the myth of Obama's abandonment.

Sid
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dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:36 AM
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16. Most people, including self-described liberals, don't pay that much attention to politics.
At least not until the elections roll around.

Most liberals liked Obama, and they still like him. They don't follow the day-to-day minutiae of politics any more than the rest of their countrymen.

You know who does follow all that day-to-day stuff? DU'ers, that's who.

And unless the President stops drifting in the direction he has been drifting, he will lose liberal support. Specifically, if he is misguided enough to propose raising the Medicare age to 67, I believe that will be the nail in his coffin. And the rumor is that this proposal is coming Monday.

I'll still vote for him. I don't believe in throwing away my vote.

But I don't want him to make this sort of proposal. It is a losing move. Not to mention the fact that it would waste a bunch of money and make millions of people worse off, killing some of them.
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