Ok...I agree we should let Obama...

[one_voice]

know when we're not happy. I know we're not all going to agree on everything all the time. That's what's separates us from the pukes. I'm proud of the fact I'm part of a "group" that encourages individual thought. In my opinion you usually get the best ideas that way.

However, this kind of shit is not helpful. If Democrats have issues with Obama...take it straight to Obama. Don't air it out in public. Why give the pukes any more of a reason to be dicks?

All I'm asking is take it to Obama...don't give them ammo to use against us. It's hard enough already.

Flame away.

President Obama under attack -- from Democrats

It’s open season on President Barack Obama — and that’s just from members of his own party.

*snip*

Former Texas Rep. Martin Frost told the Wall Street Journal that the Republicans’ decisive victories in New York and Nevada on Tuesday make it clear that Obama needs “to get it together.”

*snip*

Rep. Eliot Engel, a Bronx Democrat, offered his harsh take on the party’s loss in the New York special, focusing his attack on the president’s stance on Israel.

“What I get in my district is that people want the president to stand up for what he believes,” Engel told the Washington Post. “They want him to stand up to the Republicans; not cave in; stop giving up the store…And then I also get in my district a lot of Jewish people dissatisfied with Obama’s policies; what they’ve perceived to be his lack of support for Israel.”

*snip*

Several Democratic senators also picked apart Obama’s jobs plan in POLITICO, with Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia saying the president’s ideas for how to pay for it are “terrible.”

And Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana called out Obama’s elimination of oil and gas subsidies, telling POLITICO “that offset is not going to fly, and he should know that.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63586.html#ixzz1Y1yOoYEN

[Proud Liberal Dem]

1. Right

If they don't like the President's ideas, then they need to come up with some other way. It's easy to pick apart, criticize, and snipe but if you're in Congress and you don't like what's being proposed, you have the responsibility to come up with alternative ideas and proposals then. :shrug:

[Proud Public Servant]

6. You mean like the Progressive Caucus does?

Has POTUS ever even uttered the phrase "Progressive Caucus" in public? Not a rhetorical question; I'm honestly curious.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

18. Not AFAIK

n/t

[frazzled]

2. Here's Obama's problem

Mary Landrieu doesn't want him picking on the poor oil and gas industry. Eliot Engel doesn't want him to be so mean to Israel, saying negotiations should start with 1967 borders, you know. Jim Webb doesn't like those tax hikes on wealthy people and corporations. Just read all the reasons Democrats are hemming and hawing about the American Jobs Act--and it sure as hell ain't because it's not progressive enough. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/us/politics/democrats-in-congress-balking-at-obamas-jobs-bill.html?_r=1&hp

It's not that Obama is a weak leader, it's that he has a party that won't agree to do anything meaningful. They might lose their perks or their seats if they approve getting rid of generous subsidies to the oil and gas industry or offend wealthy donors.

[Andy823]

3. +1,000,000,000

[Ineeda]

4. The all see only the "little picture", complaining about things

that are specific to their states/districts. What about what's good for the entire country? In a way, they're no better than the rethugs who care only about their rich benefactors.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

5. This may be why Obama generalizes his attacks on "Congress"

There are some good people in there but then there are cowardly pricks like these whom hold up progress out of fear of how it will play in the polls against them. :puke:

[gateley]

10. The other side does this, too. I heard a Dem say that friends

(Republicans) of his have admitted that they didn't like how they were going to vote but felt they needed to so that they didn't get primaried by some Tea Bagger.

I think those who do the right thing just because it is the right thing are in the minority. Sad, isn't it. :(

[Safetykitten]

7. So he's like a really bad executive in an office then with office issues? Oh, I see.

[frazzled]

8. Huh?

You gonna blame Mary Landrieu and Jim Webb's bad behavior on the president's office management skills? Doesn't even make sense.

[gateley]

11. Doesn't matter - all that counts is dissing a fellow DUer. nt

[frazzled]

12. Okay, now show me where I dissed another DU member in this thread

I can't for the life of me figure out who I dissed. I was talking policy only. And I would think I would certainly know if my intention were to diss someone.

[gateley]

13. Then I was wrong and probably just knee jerk reacted because

I'm still bloody after a recent shredding from you.

I apologize.

[frazzled]

16. We're cool now

It's always hard to read intent on the Internet. We argue passionately for our ideas, but it doesn't mean we are arguing against another person.

Cheers! Honestly! :toast:

[gateley]

17. Oh, you know something?

I just read your post and though "frazzled? I wasn't talking about frazzled!" and didn't notice it was you who responded to my snarky post.

So I REALLY apologize - I wasn't referring to you at all! I was speaking about another DUer and you must have thought "She thinks I beat her up? Huh?" Sorry I didn't catch that earlier. :blush:

:pals:

:hi:

[gateley]

9. Yeah, I was thinking "well, look who they're quoting". nt

[JVS]

21. The big tent makes for a party that cannot be accomplish anything.

They've succeeded at making it so big that it straddles every issue.

[lunatica]

14. A house divided against itself cannot stand

People attribute that quote to Abraham Lincoln, but he himself said he took it from the Bible where it is written in the books of Matthew, Mark and Luke that these were the words of Jesus.

In reality one doesn't have to be religious or believe in an angry god to see the wisdom in the words attributed to Jesus.

[loyalsister]

15. How often did Rs speak out against Bush?

Or Democrats against Clinton?
The disrespect shown this president by his own party is very telling of how far we are from anything resembling a post-racial environment.

[Proud Public Servant]

20. Oh, that's just nonsense

Dems in the 70s had just as little respect for Jimmy Carter. You can't play the race card here.

And the comparison to the GOP is telling, but not in the way you think it is. The ability of the GOP to enforce support around their presidents has to do with one of their most off-putting traits: the authoritarian streak that runs through their party. Similarly, the Dems' tendency to eat there own has to do with our best traits: our embrace of the "big tent" and our belief in the positive value of dissent.

[loyalsister]

23. Use of the phrase "race card" is telling.

I'm talking about congress not just Democratic voters. What republican or Democratic member of congress tried to bring the president into their scandal as Weiner did when he called Obama and lied to him.
How many editorials were written against Clinton or Carter rather than exclusively about policy? Democrats lined up to support Clinton during impeachment.

[Proud Public Servant]

24. This is what you said

"The disrespect shown this president by his own party is very telling of how far we are from anything resembling a post-racial environment"

That phrase clearly suggests: (1) you are only talking about Democrats, and (2) you are accusing Democrats of treating Obama differently because of his race. Maybe you really meant to talk about all of Congress, as well as about newspaper editorials, but you didn't say that.

We can all agree that this president takes plenty of crap from the media, the GOP, and from ordinary Americans just because he's black. But that's not what's motivating Democrat disenchantment, and it is frankly insulting to fellow Democrats to imply that it is. I stand by my original statement: this president isn't being treated by his party any differently than Jimmy Carter was; race has nothing to do with that treatment by Democrats; and to imply that race does (as you do with your "far from post-racial" comment) is disingenuous and, yes, an example of playing the race card.

[saras]

22. Dems against Clinton - all the time, both progressives and Dinos

[TwilightGardener]

19. I'm curious as to how Webb and Petroleum Mary want to pay for the jobs bill?

What segment of society do THEY want to ask more sacrifice from?