U.S. seeks to ban electronic cigarettes on airplanes

[TheBigotBasher]

Current federal law prohibits passengers from smoking any tobacco product on a commercial plane but does not single out the use of electronic cigarettes.

Most electronic cigarettes do not burn tobacco but use a lithium battery to heat up a liquid nicotine solution, creating a vapor that can be inhaled to deliver the chemical directly into the lungs.

"Airline passengers have rights, and this new rule would enhance passenger comfort and reduce any confusion surrounding the use of electronic cigarettes in flight," U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said in a statement Wednesday.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-electronic-cigarette-20110915,0,7376977.story?track=icymi

Dumb.

[LoZoccolo]

1. I don't want that shit on the plane. n/t

[TheKentuckian]

2. Why?

[LoZoccolo]

3. It smells and is fucken obnoxious. n/t

[TheBigotBasher]

5. Electronic cigarettes do not smell.

The let out water vapour. The same stuff you breath out.

[LoZoccolo]

9. Yeah they do; I saw them Vegas. n/t

[blogslut]

11. Saw them?

But did you smell them? What did they smell like?

[LoZoccolo]

13. Like incense; I could tell when someone was passing by with one. n/t

[blogslut]

15. What kind of incense?

Sandalwood? Jasmine? Nag Champa? There are many flavors of incense.

I'm guessing you smelled nothing but misguided contempt.

[LoZoccolo]

18. Frangipani. n/t

[blogslut]

20. LOL

I knew you were full of it.

[devilgrrl]

55. totally

what's the point of his commenting if his only intention was to make shit up? Which he did.

:wtf:

[awoke_in_2003]

137. there are people...

that, if they even see a smoker 100 ft away outdoors, will cough. It is in their head.

[Broderick]

47. HAHAHAHA

could you get past the open season smoking to smell them?

I can't smell them at all, maybe my sniffer is bad.


LMAO

[Erose999]

66. Wouldn't the water vapor still carry the tobacco stuff the same as smoke though?

I mean I know people who use snuff and chewing tobacco and I can still smell that when I'm around them, even when there's no smoke. When you're breathing out water vapor theres still a cloud that others in the area may have to breathe in.

[Marrah_G]

76. No- it emits water vapor

the e-smoker is ingesting nicotine, not smoking tobacco. If someone breathes near you while chewing nicotine gum you are not going to die.

[TorchTheWitch]

98. there is no tobacco

An e-cig is nothing more than a nicotine delivery device that creates an odorless water vapor to simulate smoke... the same sort of water vapor that one can see when breathing on a cold day. Do you have a problem breathing in that visible water vapor that people emit when breathing on a cold day? The e-cig has more in common with a nicotine patch than any tobacco product.

[pokerfan]

125. It was only a matter of time

[Liberal_in_LA]

78. yep. they don't smell

[RebelOne]

84. You are right. There is no odor whatsoever from E-cigarettes.

I am smoking them now because I am trying to quit smoking. I just puffed on one and the vapor disappears immediately with no odor.

[Codeine]

179. You're a smoker.

You're not going to smell that odor as easily as a non-smoker.

[Mariana]

182. So read the comments from non-smokers on this thread

who have been around people using e-cigs. They also say there's no odor.

[Luminous Animal]

197. My husband has been trying to get me to quit for years. This thread convinced me to

go buy an e-cig this morning. My non-smoking husband can confirm, there is no odor.

[pintobean]

6. - t

[blogslut]

7. It smells?

What does it smell like? Because I've been using e-cigs for well over a year and I've yet to detect a smell.

[Mariana]

39. I used e-cigs heavily, inside, while my house was for sale

a few months ago. Sometimes I'd be using it in one room while the potential buyers were in another (but I was careful not to let them see it!) We had dozens of showings and NO ONE said word one about any smell. Some didn't like the carpet, or the paint colors, or the lack of closet space on the first floor, or other things, but NO ONE complained about how it smelled.

[Claudia Jones]

46. don't let them see it!

If they see it, then they will immediately start "smelling" it and go into a panic.

After all, it is "worse than crack cocaine" as one anti-tobacco fanatic posted here the other day.

[Mariana]

49. Not to worry, the house got sold.

No one suspected a thing.

Of course, the buyers may be dropping dead as we speak from all that secondhand nicotine (see elsewhere on this thread). Oh well.

:evilgrin:

[RebelOne]

119. That's right because they do not smell. I am smoking

them right now because I am trying to quit smoking cigarettes.

[rug]

They should ban the toilets too.

[Javaman]

26. And the air...

I'm really tired of that guy next to me using up all the air!!

[Broderick]

48. NO Shit!

literally

[in_cog_ni_to]

123. It's WATER VAPOR!

It doesn't smell...unless you hate the small of French Toast and Waffles. Know what you're talking about before you bash it.

[LadyInAZ]

218. lol. Another paranoid non-smoker

the world goes round and round...

[Mariana]

219. Oh, just keep reading!

There is some serious crazy in this thread.

[Tesha]

4. A correct action. Nobody wants second-hand nicotine either. (NT)

[TheBigotBasher]

8. There is no second hand nicotine.

The nicotine is delivered to the lungs. What comes out of the other side is water.

[blogslut]

10. How does the nicotine get into your lungs?

You realize e-cigs emit a quick burst of vapor don't you?

[TheBigotBasher]

14. Best explanation.

An electronic cigarette, or e-cigarette, is an electrical device that simulates the act of tobacco smoking by producing an inhaled mist bearing the physical sensation, appearance, and often the flavor and nicotine content of inhaled tobacco smoke; though lacking its odor, and intended to omit its health risks. The device uses heat, or in some cases ultrasonics, to vaporize a propylene glycol- or glycerin-based liquid solution into an aerosol mist, similar to the way a nebulizer or humidifier vaporizes solutions for inhalation.
Most electronic cigarettes are portable, self-contained cylindrical devices the size of a ballpoint pen or magic marker; though sizes vary, mainly due to differing battery capacities. Many electronic cigarettes are designed to resemble actual cigarettes or cigars, or even pipes. Most are also reusable, with replaceable and refillable parts, but some models are disposable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette

More

http://www.aaphp.org/Resources/Documents/20100402AAPHPEcigLegisStatemnt.pdf

[blogslut]

16. That's not what I was asking

I was asking how an e-cig user's nicotine transfers to someone else's lungs.

[TheBigotBasher]

19. I did not suggest it did.

It goes directly to the lungs of the user.

[blogslut]

21. Dude

I sell e-cigs. I know how they work. I was asking the above poster how they thought they could be exposed to second-hand nicotine from an e-cig.

[TheBigotBasher]

23. Fair play I thought the question had been directed at me.

[Tesha]

30. Well that explains your position on the issue, doesn't it? (NT)

[blogslut]

34. But you didn't answer my question

How does the nicotine get from my e-cigarette into your lungs?

[Tesha]

36. Through your exhalations and leakage from your E-cig.

Funny -- elsewhere on the thread, you're representing
yourself as understanding all of this.

Tesha

[blogslut]

38. You do understand that vapor is liquid, right?

Liquid is heavier than smoke. Vapor does not waft through a room, floating on the breeze. In order for you to inhale the demon nicotine, I would have to literally blow my vapor into your face.

As for my e-cig "leaking". Um, so the scenario is the dreaded nicotine seeps into your skin because you touched my pocket?

[Tesha]

41. Actually, by definition, "Vapor" is "gas". Presumably you meant something like...

...atomized droplets mixed with vapor or just "fog".
But keep on proving you have no idea what you're
talking about.

Tesha

[blogslut]

42. Okay, you win

My vapor is going to give you teh cancer. Fear meeeeee.

[Tesha]

51. Actually, I never said "give me cancer". But there's no reason I should be required...

...to breath the nicotine in your effluent.

Tesha

[blogslut]

54. Don't worry

We won't be meeting.

[in_cog_ni_to]

128. Better stop eating vegetables then.

Vegetable Nicotine in ng/g g per 1µg nicotine
Cauliflower 16.8 59.5
Eggplant (Aubergine) 100.0 10
Potatoes 7.1 140
Green tomatoes 42.8 23.4
Ripe tomatoes 4.3 233.0
Pureed tomatoes 52.0 19.2

[Tesha]

193. It's also used as an insecticide, of course. Another reason for you to smoke!

But ingestion from vegetable sources *STILL* doesn't give you
the right to put it in my air.

Tesha

[dionysus]

165. LOL, ridiculous....

:rofl:

[Tesha]

194. What's "ridiculous"? That I don't want you polluting the air I breath? (NT)

[TorchTheWitch]

104. that's just nonsense

You can no more breath in nicotine from someone vaping on an e-cig than you would breathing in the invisible exhalations from someone wearing a nicotine patch. What, do you also think that you can breath in alcohol into your system from the breath exhalations of a drunk near you???

[Mariana]

33. Magic!

The same way cigarette smoke will cause someone to start choking and coughing, even if the smokers are 50ft away, downwind in a gale. I think most of us have seen that happen!

[Tesha]

37. "Downwind in a gale" I'll buy, but...

...you realize that even outdoors, twenty feet away in
relatively still air, a person with a fully-functional
sense of smell can often smell the smoke from a single
cigarette. Or if the driver of the car in front of you
at a traffic light is smoking with their window open,
it's often very possible to smell their smoke as you
then drive by.

I don't think smokers (with their diminished senses of
small) have any concept for how much they reek.

Tesha

[Mariana]

44. You're absolutely right about the sense of smell

being sharp enough to detect relatively minute amounts of smoke. That makes it even less understandable that some people fly into a rage when someone is using an e-cig near them. Hello, if there's NO SMOKE, then NO ONE IS SMOKING, even if it looks like they are. I watched an outraged loon give a woman hell for "smoking" in a lobby and when she told him what she was doing he only got MORE pissed off.

To be fair, I personally haven't gotten grief using an e-cig in public, although I've never used it openly on an airplane (I've used it in the lavatory, though, more than once on long flights) or in a crowded restaurant - I don't want to get into situation where I'm facing some furious irrational nutcase in a confined space. I have used it in airports, waiting to board the flights. I got a few glances, but no one seemed to be bothered - I suspect they didn't even know what I was doing, probably because my e-cig doesn't really resemble a cigarette. The vapor dissipates almost instantly and of course, there is NO SMOKE to smell.

[Marrah_G]

56. Oh for goodness sake you are just being ridiculous now.

We get that you don't like smoking. Neither do I. But your comments on this thread have become downright ludicrous. If you are so terrified of vapor from an E cig, I suggest you find a way to wear an oxygen tank at all times because god knows what else is in the air.........

[Tesha]

59. Terrified? Did I say that? Point me to the reply, please.

I just find it amusing that some folks are so
addicted to both the drug and the physical
behaviors that they can't switch to a nicotine
patch or nicotine chewing gum for the duration
of an airplane flight.

Tesha

[Marrah_G]

61. All of your post combined on this topic just ooze irrational fears.

Honestly...maybe you just need to take a step back. You seem really freaked out over something that should not be freaking you out. In fact its something you should be happy about. Less smoke in the air and smell on your clothes is better, right?

Well anyway... you will do what you do. Good luck with that. I just think you are spazzing over nothing.

[Mariana]

69. I think you'll find the true motivation

of the people in favor of banning e-cigs is in the post you're responding to. "I just find it amusing...". Some people really get off on the discomfort of others, especially if those others are lesser creatures like addicts.

[Tesha]

223. Yeah, I know, you can almost see my posts shivering, quivering with irrational fear.

:scared:

Well, *YOU* probably can, anyway. Others, probably not so much.

Tesha

[Mariana]

67. "I just find it amusing..." you say.

I see. It has nothing to do with any "dangers" to you all all then, does it? You derive pleasure from the discomfort of addicts. Your goal in wishing to prohibit or restrict the use of e-cigs is to increase their discomfort for your amusement.

[Tesha]

88. I shoul have made it more clear that "I find it amusing"...

...was restricted to the length people will go
to to defend their right to pursue their addictions.

I find the "medical marijuana" posts similarly
amusing: look, if you want to smoke some dope,
that's fine but most of this "I need my medicine!"
rationalization is just that: an attempt to rationalize
the person's desire to smoke some weed. Get the
laws changes to make weed legal, don't hide behind
the "medical marijuana" fig-leaf.

Tesha

[BadDog40]

202. Really?

I have a tumor that has shrunk almost 50% using medical marijuana. Maybe you should do some research before making ignorant comments.

[Tesha]

221. Believe whatever you wish, but anecdotal stories count for nothing.

'Got any well-controlled studies to support that?

Tesha

[BadDog40]

226. I have nothing to prove to you

Your ignorance says it all.

[Llewlladdwr]

79. What would be the difference between an e-cig and nicotine gum as far as second-hand nicotine?

Wouldn't your every exhalation pick up the nicotine in the gum and cause it to disperse into the atmosphere?

[in_cog_ni_to]

136. Nicotine patches burn your skin, give you diarrhea , give you nightmares, and keep you awake..The

Nicotine gum burned the HELL out of my gums, gave me a bad mouth infection, gives you hiccups, keep you awake, give you diarrhea and nightmares.

An E cig does NONE OF THAT. It's a miniscule amount of nicotine you inhale and none of the nicotine is in the vapor so it couldn't reach your precious nose. You're being ridiculous just because you hate smoking. This isn't smoking! It's VAPING. So you can put your pretty little mind at ease.

Vegetables have MORE nicotine than any e cig does.

Vegetable Nicotine in ng/g g per 1µg nicotine
Cauliflower 16.8 59.5
Eggplant (Aubergine) 100.0 10
Potatoes 7.1 140
Green tomatoes 42.8 23.4
Ripe tomatoes 4.3 233.0
Pureed tomatoes 52.0 19.2

[awoke_in_2003]

139. "I think most of us have seen that happen!"...

too many time to count, and the offenders usually wear too much perfume, which is gagging.

[Richard D]

200. Yeah

I'd rather see perfumes banned on planes. In public for that matter. Disgusting stuff.

[RebelOne]

120. Here is the best explanation. I am smoking these e-cigs now.

No Tar, no Tobacco, no Ash and no Smell.

www.blucigs.com

[Tesha]

29. And of course your respiratory system removes 100.0000000% of it, right?

Not even 1 PPB escapes you?

(Please don't be absurd.)

Tesha

[EOTE]

32. I guarantee you that merely walking outside provides many magnitudes of order more carginogens than

being next to someone using an e-cig. The amount of nicotine you'd get by sitting next to someone using an e-cig is so negligible that it's laughable.

[Tesha]

35. So I should excuse your contribution to the total load?

How about GE's contribution?

How about Exxon's?

Which ones shall we try to prevent and which ones
shall we just "excuse"?

Tesha

[EOTE]

43. That's a ludicrous comparison.

If everyone in the world smoked e-cigs, it wouldn't contribute 1/1000th the amount of pollution that GE alone contributes. Your flatulence would release far more. Your position goes well beyond the nanny state. You're well into big brother territory.

[in_cog_ni_to]

126. You get more Nicotine from the vegetables you eat! E cig water vapor contains little to NO nicotine.

E cigs are about as harmful as coffee and tea...with caffeine. Nicotine does NOT cause cancer either so I don't know why you're being so paranoid. :eyes:


Vegetable Nicotine in ng/g g per 1µg nicotine
Cauliflower 16.8 59.5
Eggplant (Aubergine) 100.0 10
Potatoes 7.1 140
Green tomatoes 42.8 23.4
Ripe tomatoes 4.3 233.0
Pureed tomatoes 52.0 19.2

[jberryhill]

45. Do you feel the same way about alcohol

Of course, on an airplane, you are inhaling low concentrations of alcohol from the evaporation of the drinks and exhalations of those drinking alcoholic beverages.

You are also inhaling low concentrations of chemicals from colognes, hygiene products, and every germ and virus exhaled by everyone else on the plane.

The concern with second hand smoke is that a significant level of carcinogens are produced by the burning end of the cigarette and the exhaled combustion products.

As pointed out, the vapor here consists of relatively heavy glycols with nicotine at a concentration such that it produces the desired dose when directly inhaled from the device.

Nicotine per se is not the component of cigarette smoke that is of concern in relation to the carcinogens involved in second hand smoke.


So, why are you comparing two different things?

[Tesha]

52. I would not object to planes being made "dry".

Most of the idiotic behavior on airplanes seems
to be lubricated by EthOH.

Tesha

[hifiguy]

64. I am glad I don't live in the world you want.

There are times when a beer or two is most refreshing on a long flight.

[in_cog_ni_to]

129. Ooooooh! You're one of

THOSE PEOPLE. :eyes:

[Bonobo]

153. Complete intolerance is an ugly quality, possibly the single ugliest in a person. nt

[Tesha]

199. I'm not "completely intolerant"; I just think airplanes aren't the best places to engage in any...

...drug habits.

Tesha

[Bonobo]

213. Ban coffee then. Some people hate coffee breath. Also...

video games cause they are noisy.

Drinking soda because it is caffeine and makes people burp smelly breath.

etc, etc.

[Tesha]

215. You really have no argument, do you?

You know perfectly well which actions are unreasonable infringements
upon others and which aren't.

Tesha

[Bonobo]

216. I do have one. It is leave people alone and don't be so intolerant.

You countered with a quite lame "People shouldn't be doing drugs on airplanes."

That was quite pathetic and disingenuous.

Is that REALLY the issue for you, that nicotine is a drug?

Then you should be against them using patches and gum as well.

Caffeine is every bit as much a drug as nicotine too,

You cannot win the argument by falsely claiming that I do not have an argument.

[Tesha]

220. I haven particular interest with those drugs that won't affect me.

Sidestream nicotine very well may.

Alcohol, through its effects on drunks, very well may.

Your cup o' Joe, not so much unless you're planning on spilling
it in my lap.

Tesha

[Bonobo]

224. Your "nictone sidestream" is fantasy to rationalize your intolerance.

Life would be lots better if everyone was just like you --or if they didn't exist to ruin your view, right?

Don't bother answering. I don't really want to talk to you anymore.

I prefer to let people like you have what they want so badly, isolation.

[Mariana]

53. Oh, just stop with all that technical bullshit.

It LOOKS like smoking, so it MUST be dangerous. Somehow. It just HAS to be. If it's demonstrated that there's no secondhand nicotine in exhaled vapor (of if the fluid being used has zero nicotine content to begin with - this is not uncommon) we'll just make something else up. Because it LOOKS like smoking, so it MUST be dangerous. Somehow. It just HAS to be.

:eyes:

[Tesha]

60. Unfortunately for you, it *CAN'T* "be demonstrated that there's no secondhand nicotine in exhaled...

...vapor" because there *IS* plenty of it in exhaled
vapor.

But nice attempt to put up a strawman; maybe you
momentarily diverted a small portion of the readers
of the thread.

Tesha

[Mariana]

70. Please provide a link to some evidence of your claim. nt.

[jberryhill]

74. Smoking is not banned on grounds of "secondhand nicotine"

It is not a carcinogen.

[Tesha]

89. Actually, in part, it is.

Nicotine may not cause cancer but it is
directly implicated in causing heart disease.

Tesha

[in_cog_ni_to]

130. So is caffeine. Stop the soda, coffee, tea, energy drinks....on and on and on it goes. Where does it

stop?

[Tesha]

157. I don't think there's a reliably-demonstrated "secondhand caffiene" mechanism. (NT)

[Name removed]

160. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Tesha]

192. I'm sorry, but you're wrong.

http://www.mc.uky.edu/tobaccopolicy/ResearchProduct/SecondhandSmokeandNicotine.pdf

[B2G]

114. Nicotine enhances concentration

and sharpens your cognitive skills. Personally, I think you could benefit from a hit or two.

[snooper2]

28. You figure out how that works yet?

[Ezlivin]

12. They should simply ban electrons

Seriously. Passengers should not be shuffling electrons around. Leave that to Mother Nature.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. Exactly

Pesky little things that won't sit still long enough to be identified. Can't tell how fast they're going; can't tell exactly where they are!

Let's start a grass roots campaign to ban all electrons.
GAC

[HappyMe]

22. !

:spray:


Coffee everywhere.

[TheBigotBasher]

24. They should also ban farters,

mouth breathers with halitosis and those with BO.

Screamning babies as well. Forgot about them.

[tsuki]

25. And people that wallow in chemical stink instead of bathing. nt

[hifiguy]

65. That I could support

Ye gods, if people have enough money for an airline ticket they certainly have enough money to bathe or buy some breath mints. I ALWAYS fly with earplugs - they reduce fatigue and are a boon when a screeching child or chainsaw snorer is nearby.

Not sure what to do about the farters, though. :)

[LadyHawkAZ]

94. Perfume. Some of us are allergic. Ban it on all flights!!

There might be a particle drifting into my lungs!

[Mariana]

27. "...reduce any confusion srrounding the use..."

This is to pacify the people who throw a temper tantrum because they think someone's smoking around them, and who then choose to remain enraged even after they've found out they were wrong. You'd think people who claim they don't like smoke or are badly affected by it would be relieved to find out that an apparent smoker isn't actually smoking. It should make them HAPPY! So why do they get so pissed off when someone uses an e-cig? It can only be because they hate the smokers (or people who just LOOK like smokers, as e-cig users do) far more than they hate the smoke.

[The Straight Story]

31. yep, appease the whiners - these people are like climate change deniers

it looks like a cig and people should not smoke, they should be like me! (Those people always sound so republican in their desire to control others)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. They should ban loud ties, chewing gum, and hair implants.

Especially if the miscreant sticks his chewing on his hair implant and wraps it in his loud tie. It becomes very confusing to the passengers and causes them to fret.

[ohheckyeah]

50. No wonder this country is so screwed up

it's full of fucking asshole control freak morons.

"Current federal law prohibits passengers from smoking any tobacco product on a commercial plane"

Here's a clue you ignorant jerks...IT ISN'T SMOKING. There is no SMOKE BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUCKING FIRE.

"Airline passengers have rights"

Evidently the main right is to be whiny little pricks.

[devilgrrl]

57. Oh come now. We're the land of the free.

Free to legislate against those whose habits personally offend us.

[Mariana]

58. OMG, it LOOKS like smoking! Ban it! Ban it! nt.

[NashVegas]

63. "Nicotine May Lead to Discovery of New Weight-Loss Drugs, Scientists Say"

That's a June 9 article.

I gained 30 pounds after quitting.

Maybe one of these cats can demand I spend more money on an airplane ticket now.

Maybe the control freaks will shut up when former smokers have to pay $200 a month to Pfizer instead of Philip Morris.

[formernaderite]

108. exactly

there is also NO smell related to ecigs... I think some of the posters really need to take some focus medicine to follow the thread.

[RegieRocker]

138. It's rampant everywhere. Left and Right.

[hifiguy]

62. I have smoked three tobacco cigarettes in my life

and hated them so I never got the habit. I cannot understand why this device should be banned on airplanes. No smoke, no tar, no problem in my book. It is beyond my ken how my rights would be invaded by another passenger puffing on one of these things. :shrug:

I have, however, had to sit near people who have smelled like the sweepings from cages at the zoo, or who have hogged half my seat, yet I am expected to tolerate that without complaint.

[Wait Wut]

68. As a smoker...

...I don't care. The longest flight I've been on has been 4 hours and I survived. I may have been a bit twitchy, but I didn't go bananas and start beating the guy next to me. Although...there was that one guy that wouldn't stfu that I wanted to suffocate with the baby pillow. If I ever have to fly to Japan (which is likely), we'll have problems. Besides being a smoker, I'm claustrophobic. If I don't get a window seat, someone is going to have a semi-hysterical redhead sitting in their lap.

I would like to know when they'll be banning women who bathe in crappy perfume. I'm allergic to the majority of it and it causes me severe discomfort. Try being on a flight for 4 hours and being unable to breathe, your eyes are watering and itching and your mouth tastes like you've been licking incense. THAT sucks.

[Shagbark Hickory]

71. Yeah but it creates a vapor and it looks like you're smoking a conventional cigarette.

I for one am in favor of the ban.

This is the part where you have to decide if you're going to quit smoking or you're just going to use a different kind of tobacco product.

[Marrah_G]

73. It's just water vapor

And frankly, if all the harmful stuff is taken out, what is the issue? I would think that for the anti- smoker crowd the E-Cigs would be a huge win.

[Shagbark Hickory]

82. It's more to do with behavior that doesn't belong on an airplane.

I can cite all sorts of examples of my normal behavior that I abstain from when I'm on a plane but I'm short on time.

It looks like a cigarette and even emits what looks like smoke. So resources must be spent to investigate each and every one of these to make sure it's not a conventional cigarette and imagine all the complaints that "so and so is smoking" just because it looks like a conventional cigarette.

I am not anti-smoker per se but I think everyone should quit using tobacco products, that includes cessation aides.

[Llewlladdwr]

91. "I am not anti-smoker per se..."

Yes, you are. "...I think everyone should quit using tobacco products, that includes cessation aides." is pretty much the epitome of anti-smoker.

[Shagbark Hickory]

99. MAybe.

:silly:

[Marrah_G]

92. There is nothing wrong with the behavior except that you find the visual disturbing

ANd it doesn't matter what YOU think people should quit. If someone wants to do something that doesn't hurt anyone why is it any of your business?

[Shagbark Hickory]

100. The post is about about sucking on these electronic cancer sticks on an airplane.

I opined.

[Marrah_G]

103. Who says they cause cancer?

Who says that the water vapor causes cancer? Look I dont smoke, I just dont get this obsession some have with micromanaging other peoples lives. This thread is full of made up reasons why they ~have~ to.

[Mariana]

105. Oh, come on now. It LOOKS like smoking, doesn't it?

Of course they must cause cancer. Somehow.

:sarcasm:

[Shagbark Hickory]

117. THEY CONTAIN NICO-FREAKIN-TINE!!!

That's why.

[in_cog_ni_to]

131. Nicotine does NOT cause cancer. You get more nicotine in the vegetables you eat...than from an e cig

Vegetable Nicotine in ng/g g per 1µg nicotine
Cauliflower 16.8 59.5
Eggplant (Aubergine) 100.0 10
Potatoes 7.1 140
Green tomatoes 42.8 23.4
Ripe tomatoes 4.3 233.0
Pureed tomatoes 52.0 19.2

[Shagbark Hickory]

162. Regardless, it's not reasonable behavior for an airplane. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

168. Not reasonable according to the anti-smoking Nazis. Every other person who is

NORMAL, never has an issue with vaping.

[Shagbark Hickory]

173. If it's not really smoking then why are you picking on anti-smoking Nazis?

Wouldn't your complaint lie with the anti-vaping Nazis?

Or could it be that the rest of the people don't want to pay more for their airfare to cover the added security personnel needed to investigate each complaint of a person smoking what appears to be a cigarette?

[in_cog_ni_to]

176. All anti-whatever people belong to the same group. Anti-smoking/vaping Nazis and the religious right

wackos. You're all alike. You have to inflict your beliefs, wants, desires on other people who don't behave/act the way YOU want them to. Vaping doesn't hurt anyone and you people are STILL paranoid about it because in your delicate little minds, you equate it to smoking and it's NOT smoking. It does not have the 4000 other chemicals that cigarettes do. It has no smell. It has no ash. It has no smoke. It has no bad side-effects for other people or those vaping, so what the hell is the problem here? It's water vapor. WATER VAPOR. WATER VAPER will not hurt you and your delicate senses. Seriously. It's just WATER VAPOR.

Now we've made up a new excuse? People have to pay more to fly because of vapers? Are you fucking kidding me, Shag? Come on. Get a grip. :rofl::rofl:

Here, let me pollute your computer screen some more. :smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke: That emoticon is as dangerous as a personal vaporizer.

[Shagbark Hickory]

183. But I don't have a problem with vaping. I have a problem with paying more for airfare

because people insist on vaping on an airplane or in an airport.

You seem to think that means I'm on the "religious right"- whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.

[in_cog_ni_to]

187. Uhhhh....Fred Phelps and his ILK? They LOVE to inflict their beliefs on everyone else. Jerry Falwell

Dobson, Pat Robertson....you get the picture.

Airlines don't charge more for airfare because of vapers. You just made that up.

:smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke:

[proud2BlibKansan]

133. Nicotine is addictive but does not cause cancer

You need to educate yourself before jumping to conclusions that are incorrect.

[Shagbark Hickory]

163. Regardless, it's not reasonable behavior for an airplane. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

205. Which was not what you claimed

Keep on spinning.

[Marrah_G]

144. Nicotine does not cause cancer.......

[Shagbark Hickory]

164. Regardless, it's not reasonable behavior for an airplane. n/t

[JoeyT]

158. Now I'm not anti-control freak per se

but I think people should mind their own damn business and leave people alone, lest they find the next moral outrage is something they enjoy.

[Shagbark Hickory]

166. So should people be allowed to board a plane road flares and an alarm clock taped to their body?

[in_cog_ni_to]

170. Now Shag...even YOU have to admit comparing a personal vaporizer to a fucking bomb is a bit of a

stretch. Good grief. What is it with you anti-smoking Nazis? Don't you ever get tired of trying to control the behavior of other people? Why don't you find a new hobby? May I suggest...playing in traffic during rush hour? :smoke::evilgrin::smoke: Watch out! That smoking emoticon is going to pollute your computer! That emoticon is just as dangerous as a personal vaporizer. :eyes: Seriously. WTF?

[Shagbark Hickory]

171. You've resorted to name calling.

[in_cog_ni_to]

177. Cute graph. Better run!

I'm polluting your computer screen again! This is as dangerous as a personal vaporizer:

:smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke:
:smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke:
:smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke:

[Shagbark Hickory]

185. I take it you've given up on trying to support your agument that vaping should be allowed on planes

and airports.

[in_cog_ni_to]

189. WRONG!

I haven't. :)

[krabigirl]

208. because you think so, everyone should?

[Mariana]

85. You'd think so, wouldn't you?

Nope, they hate it for the most part, it seems. You really have to wonder just why they hate it.

You know, the people who truly care about smokers don't hate it. My husband and my daughters LOVE that I use e-cigs. My doctor is thrilled, and he had me demonstrate it to some of his other smoking patients who've had a very hard time when trying to quit. My friends, whether they smoke or not, think it's great.

[Shagbark Hickory]

121. Good for you, now demonstrate you can so 3 hours without using one.

Make your family proud.

No need to cause any disturbance on the plane.

[LadyHawkAZ]

198. Right after you require the rest of the passengers

to demonstrate that they can go 3 hours without alcohol, coffee or soda in-flight, I'll be happy to. I'll just get out of the way of the riot, shall I?

(actually, I have done this. 5 hours cross country, had my e-cig along but didn't bother to use it)

[Frank Cannon]

148. They hate it because it's one of them chemicals.

And, you know, chemistry is hard.

[B Calm]

90. Water vapor polluted with nicotene, NASTY

[Marrah_G]

93. Its just water vapor.............

No one is polluting the air with nicotine.

And frankly-- if you are freaking out over water vapor that "might" have the tiniest presence of nicotine in it that cannot hurt you and that you would not even know was there--- then I suggest you get yourself a big sterile giant bubble to live in because breathing anything but purified air is NASTY..........

Seriously people, get a grip.

[B Calm]

96. I guess I can wear one of those oxygen masks on the plane.

[ohheckyeah]

115. Maybe a

big enema is called for to remove the stick up your ass.

[B Calm]

142. LOL

[Marrah_G]

145. I suggest putting yourself in a sterile bubble...........

OR you get a little more education on what you are freaking out over.

[B Calm]

156. A bubble would take up two seats and the airline would have to supply fresh oxygen

to the bubble.

[Shagbark Hickory]

167. ...

:rofl:

[Lance_Boyle]

86. e-cigs are not a tobacco product

There is no tobacco, nor any tobacco derivative, in any e-cig.

[Shagbark Hickory]

102. Ok. but it contains nicotine. I guess to clarify. I am against nicotine products.

You got me! :silly:

[Mariana]

107. Surprise! They don't all contain nicotine, either.

Lots of former smokers, after switching to e-cigs, reduce their nicotine level to zero, while continuing to use e-cigs. Liquid with no nicotine whatsoever is readily available from every supplier that I've seen. Why bother, you may ask? Why not just put it down? Because they LIKE to use e-cigs, even without nicotine, that's why. It's enjoyable in its own right.

True, people who are off nicotine aren't going to be jonesing during a flight. Regardless, if you see an e-cig, you shouldn't assume that it contains nicotine, because it may not.

[jayfish]

109. That's what I am in the process of doing.

Best smoking cessation method I've come across. ...and I've tried them all.

[Mariana]

112. I stopped smoking cold, and I hadn't even planned to.

I bought a starter kit in June because it was half price (crappy color) but my house was about to be put up for sale and we were moving to another state. Who the hell stops smoking with all that going on? I was planning try to switch AFTER the move. Well, when it arrived I had to try it to make sure everything worked. Did it ever! I haven't smoked since, and all through the house sale and the move I was just fine. If anything, I was MORE calm than I would have been if I'd been smoking. Now that we're pretty well settled into the new place, I'm beginning to reduce my nicotine level, a little at a time. I may never give up e-cigs, though - I love some of the different flavored liquids.

[Shagbark Hickory]

116. The article says they contain nicotine but regardless of whether they do or don't...

if the purpose of an e-cigarette is to wean yourself off of cigarettes. Well an airplane flight is your chance to test your ability to go a few hours without a cigaratte. This is your chance!
You can do it!

[TorchTheWitch]

154. the purpose is whatever a person wants to use them for

They were invented for the express purpose of being able to "smoke" in those places where smoking has recently been banned and probably also to still be able to "smoke" without the harmful crap that's in tobacco cigarettes. It just so happens that because of (depending on which device you use) one can get various levels of nicotine including no nicotine, so it has since been found to be useful to those people that want to quit.

Additionally:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine
Nicotine is a hygroscopic, oily liquid that is miscible with water in its base form. As a nitrogenous base, nicotine forms salts with acids that are usually solid and water soluble. Nicotine easily penetrates the skin. As shown by the physical data, free base nicotine will burn at a temperature below its boiling point, and its vapors will combust at 308 K (35 °C; 95 °F) in air despite a low vapor pressure. Because of this, most of the nicotine is burned when a cigarette is smoked; however, enough is inhaled to cause pharmacological effects.

If most of the nicotine doesn't even get into the lungs of the person that smokes an actual tobacco cigarette, how is it possibly going to effect anyone else when the person exhales???

Furthermore:
(same source)
The carcinogenic properties of nicotine in standalone form, separate from tobacco smoke, have not been evaluated by the IARC, and it has not been assigned to an official carcinogen group. The currently available literature indicates that nicotine, on its own, does not promote the development of cancer in healthy tissue and has no mutagenic properties. However, nicotine and the increased cholinergic activity it causes have been shown to impede apoptosis, which is one of the methods by which the body destroys unwanted cells (programmed cell death). Since apoptosis helps to remove mutated or damaged cells that may eventually become cancerous, the inhibitory actions of nicotine may create a more favourable environment for cancer to develop, though this also remains to be proven.

There it is - nicotine itself is not a carcinogen.

[Shagbark Hickory]

122. Masterbation is enjoyable too yet people are expected to refrain from doing so on a plane. nt

[Marrah_G]

147. Really... you equate Ecigs with jerking off?

You have some strange fucking perceptions of the world.

[Mariana]

150. There are some twisted fucking people out there

aren't there? That's some creepy shit.

[Shagbark Hickory]

159. Yes I do. Except one is perfectly normal and natural and the other is utterly rediculous.

But both "enjoyable" (your term) and both not suitable behaviors for airplanes.

[SOS]

180. If suitable and reasonable behavior on airplanes is the issue

Then it must follow that alcohol be banned.
Almost all of the reported incidents of outrageous behavior on airplanes
involve people who are plastered.

[Shagbark Hickory]

188. I'd be OK with that too. I'm ready for the next non sequitur.

[ejpoeta]

203. i don't know, there are those who think that masturbation is immoral and ridiculous.

it's not a matter of what you think. the reason against cigarettes has been second hand smoke for many. then people use these e cigarettes which get rid of that pesky second hand smoke issue and then it is something else. i quit smoking when I was pregnant with my oldest. And I am not particularly fond of cigarettes. I was so glad when my husband was finally able to quit. Yet I support people's rights. and I think that e-cigarettes are a good way to allow people to smoke without infringing on others. it's a shame people can't see it that way.

[Mariana]

175. It gets better.

Using an e-cig is, apparently, also equivalent to boarding a plane with road flares and an alarm clock taped to your body.

Bloody hell, people are crazy.

[Marrah_G]

146. Why are you against nicotine?

[Shagbark Hickory]

161. Because studies have shown it to be highly addictve and it's also bad for your body. nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

172. Vaping is not any worse for the body than coffee, tea, soda, energy drinks is/are. Sorry.

That's just a fact. :smoke::smoke: I'm polluting your computer screen with my smoking emoticon. :smoke::smoke: It's just as dangerous as a personal vaporizer. :smoke::smoke:

[Shagbark Hickory]

174. I'm not claiming that those beverages are any better for your body. I'm talking about airplane beha-

vior.

[in_cog_ni_to]

178. Little do you know...

the person sitting next to you on the plane could have vaped and you would never have known about it because it has no smoke, no odor, no ash to it. Many, many, many vapers stealth vape on planes and no one is the wiser. So, what's the problem? If people vape and you don't know about it because there is no smoke, no smell, no ash,...what's the big deal? Why do you care?

:smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke:

[Shagbark Hickory]

181. As I just got through saying for the one hundreth time, it looks like they're smoking.

Since smoking isn't allowed, more resources will be used to investigate each case of someone using what appears to be a cigarette.

[in_cog_ni_to]

184. Wrong Shag, honey buns.

When one stealth vapes, you don't see ANY vapor...None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. So, why would you care if they vape? If you don't know they're doing it?

:smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke::smoke:

[Shagbark Hickory]

186. I think the fear is that people will do it in plain sight.

Duh.

[in_cog_ni_to]

190. That's just some stupid excuse someone made up.

Kinda like the excuse that the airlines are going to charge more because of vapors. The Government is supporting this no-vaping-on-planes because of their support of big tobacco and all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ big tobacco and the government will lose when smokers start vaping. They lose tax revenue and big tobacco loses mega millions/billions from not selling their cancer sticks. One would think you would be more supportive of us vapors. :cry::cry::cry: We're not hurting anyone or anything with our personal vaporizers.

[Shagbark Hickory]

212. I respectfully disagree.

That's completely asinine.

[ohheckyeah]

225. Investigate? For god's sake

anyone with half a brain can look at it and tell it's not a cigarette. Or, stick your nose in the air and fucking sniff. WTF is wrong with people?


IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE SMOKING!

[Luminous Animal]

149. I'm going to buy one shaped like a big giant penis.

[Mariana]

151. That would be very appropriate, because, you know

vaping in public is exactly like masturbating in public. I learned that on this thread.

[krabigirl]

207. why do you care what it "looks" like? Mind your own business.

[Prism]

72. Puritanical control freakism

I'm a non-smoker, and I have no problem with e-cigs. Just last night, I was hanging out with a neighbor at his place. He sat there puffing away, and I didn't notice anything (and I have a very, very sensitive sense of smell).

While I could potentially see a problem with someone using them in their seats (when people's faces are like three inches from one another), I'd have no issue with someone taking a few drags in the bathroom or in the back of the plane.

Who's going to save me from a seat neighbor with hellacious gas? That's what I'd like to know.

[Marrah_G]

75. It's really verging on the delusional in this thread.

You would think they would be fucking happy that there is no smell, no smoke. Instead they just create something new to freak out about. Perhaps its that the person did not quit nicotine and what this has been about all along is not secondhand smoke, allergies or smells, but instead the fanatical need to control what others put inside their bodies.

[TheKentuckian]

80. That is all it is.

[Prism]

81. Our new authoritarians

Who won't be happy until every human on the planet is being dictated to about what choices they're allowed to make.

There's also a strong strain of misanthropy present in this attitude. Humans are a messy business, but some people think the public sphere should be sanitized as much as possible for their personal physical and moral comfort.

Babies cry, people smell, moving through crowds is inconvenient. It goes with the experience of leaving the house.

There's another term for these people.

Spoiled rotten.

"Why doesn't the world operate at my personal convenience at all times?!!! ARRRGH!"

Ugh. Grow up, you fucking children.

[Puglover]

135. People like you describe want the world to function as

their personal support group. I see it all the time. Me me me me me. Ugh. Just gross.

[krabigirl]

210. You nailed it. It has nothing to do with second-hand smoke. It's all about them wanting control

They want to control what you do, what everyone does. Frankly, as a non-smoker (well, of cigs...), I don't give a crap if someone smokes near me, whether from an e-cig or (gasp!) a regular cigarette. Now, I do see why the latter is banned indoors on planes, but the former? No reason at all.

[krabigirl]

209. I agree with you. It makes me sick.

[Bonobo]

214. Dig. Ding. Ding. It is the real issue. nt

[jberryhill]

77. I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue

[Xithras]

83. Good. I don't generally support e-cig bans, but I support this one.

I usually take a "whatever, it's your life" approach to drugs, but E-Cigs still result in nicotine being exhaled, because your body doesn't absorb 100% of the gasses it inhales. We don't know what the actual absorption rate, so it could be anywhere from 10% to 90% of it being exhaled back out of your body into the surrounding air.

This normally wouldn't be a problem, because the atmosphere quickly dissipates gasses in the volumes we're talking about, but aircraft are a special case. Ventilation is limited, and other passengers are typically only inches away from you. If you exhale nicotine, you WILL be forcing your row mates to inhale some.

In this "wonderful post-9/11 world", where aircraft have mandatory no-movement periods and switching seats is often not an option to get away from obnoxious drunks, smelly people, or plain old fashioned talkative assholes. I don't really want to add nicotine exhalers to the list of people to bitch about. I don't even drink caffeine because I don't like pollutants in my body. Why would I put up with inhaling someone else's nicotine?

An addicts right to their drugs ends the moment they start forcing its use on others.

[Name removed]

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[mainer]

95. I'm more worried about that lithium battery.

And what about that "turn off all electronic devices" request?

[Mariana]

97. They are off except when actually being used.

A switch turns it on, for a few seconds at a time, to vaporize a bit of fluid to be inhaled. The rest of the time it remains off. That's why they don't emit vaport constantly the same way a lit cigarette emits smoke constantly.

[Tesha]

124. I thought about mentioning that (the lithium battery), but...

...there's far more energy stored in all those laptop
batteries and even mobile phone batteries.

Tesha

[taught_me_patience]

101. I don't want to sit in a haze of water vapor that contains nicotine

Coming from the guy sitting 12 inches away.

[Hosnon]

106. I rode 10+ hours in a car with the windows rolled up with someone who smoked an e-cig

non-stop (not an exaggeration).

I never noticed a thing.

[Mariana]

110. Just wait. You'll probably drop dead any minute

from all that secondhand nicotine. Best get your will up to date.

:evilgrin:

[in_cog_ni_to]

132. There is no nicotine in the water vapor that would reach you.

You get more nicotine in your vegetables.

Vegetable Nicotine in ng/g g per 1µg nicotine
Cauliflower 16.8 59.5
Eggplant (Aubergine) 100.0 10
Potatoes 7.1 140
Green tomatoes 42.8 23.4
Ripe tomatoes 4.3 233.0
Pureed tomatoes 52.0 19.2

[WolverineDG]

111. You can't apply perfume/cologne or nail polish either

so why not e-cigs? A plane is a very confined space, constantly circulating & re-using air, so this makes sense.

dg

[SirRevolutionary]

113. This post made my day

As a former "smoker" (or as I prefer to be called, a human being who chose to smoke cigarettes in the past) who successfully quit years ago thanks to e-cigs, this post has me rolling in fits of hysterics. By far and large the bulk of the comments seem very well reasoned, and then there are a few that seem to overlook any sort of reasoning at all.

One thing no one mentions, what about the countless users of e-cigs, like myself, who use ZERO nicotine in their vapes? What's the argument then? How am I hurting someone else with no nicotine at all? And by the way, if you're scared of nicotine, I hope you don't eat tomatoes, potatoes, eggplants, etc. In fact, just ban the Nightshade family entirely if your goal is to eradicate nicotine from all 3 dimensions.

I do not even attempt to vape during a flight for a million reasons, but the biggest one being that I know it could cause a panic if someone saw what appeared to be smoke on a plane. So I don't know about more bans and rules, but it's a reasonable request to ask people not to vape during in a flight in my opinion.

As far as the "tobacco stuff" in e-cigs. Ya...ahm, no. There is no "tobacco stuff" in vapes, it's mainly water and nummy tasting flavors you'd find in your FDA approved food. I refrain from using the term "smoking" in reference to e-cigs, because the correct term should be vaping. There is no smoke, no burning, no magical "cancer stuff" floating around from their use. If you're sitting at 30k feet in the air, staring out the window of a plane, there are many other "cancer stuffs" to worry about, like the fact that the TSA just ran you through an XRay to make sure you're not carrying tobacco stuff (this includes cigarettey-looking electronic smokiness stuff) to harm others, or the sun's cancer stuff soaking into your skin with less protection from the atmosphere stuff.

The next time you run across a happy vape user, or as I like to call them, human beings who choose to vape, give them a hardy handshake and say thanks for keeping any semblance of second-hand smoke away from my pretty pink pristine and controlling lungs.

Rant accomplished :)

[KharmaTrain]

155. Bravo!!!!

I have been vaping for the past 5 months...giving up a nearly 40 year 2 pack a day habit. I'm still weaning my way down...at 11mg...but a year ago I would have never thought I would have gotten to this point. Zero mg is within sight.

While I will vape like a demon in my office or when there's no one in the car, I find that in public just a couple puffs now and then will kill any crave. Many times I can "cop" a vape and no one is the wiser. I've found almost every non-smoker not only cooperative but curious about what I call my "pacifier". My family is very happy with how things have gone and my accountant thinks the $20 a month on fluids is a far better waste of money than on 3 packs of cigs.

Methinks we're enjoying those who prefer to argue than discuss.

Cheers...

[SirRevolutionary]

191. Excellent KharmaTrain

I vaped for a few months before I decided to take the plunge to zero nicotine. From my experience, you can't even tell the difference. When I smoked, I did well over two packs per day and then I started vaping part time. When I quit entirely, I was doing about 11mg a day too, and then I heard stories of others who swore they couldn't tell the difference between nicotine and no nicotine so I gave it a shot.

In my experience the whole "nic fit" idea is a bunch of bullocks :) The horrible addiction to cigarettes is the manipulation of the chemicals by the cigarette manufacturers (mainly freebasing nicotine and making it far more potent than nature made it) that keeps people smoking. Pure nicotine without the manipulation doesn't seem any more addictive to me than caffeine. I guess there are people addicted to tomatoes then?

The thing that was hard for me to overcome was the physical act of smoking, like you call it a pacifier, that's what it is. Having no nicotine didn't bother me any more than not having a cup of coffee for a day. At worst, it was a mild annoyance that barely drew attention.

The control freaks can go insane now that countless thousands of people are quitting and moving to the far healthier alternative. They don't want to see any difference between smoking and vaping, they just want to tell you what to do so they can feel superior :)

Cheers and happy vaping to all :bounce:

[Luminous Animal]

196. This post convinced me to get an e-cig.

I just came home with a disposable one...It is remarkably satisfying.

[Mariana]

211. Excellent! That's how I felt when I tried it.

I tried one right when we were putting our house up for sale and getting ready to move to another state. I wasn't even planning to switch then, I was going to wait until the move was over to seriously give the e-cig a shot. NO ONE quits smoking at a time like that! I liked the e-cig so much I haven't smoked since, not once.

What does your husband think? Mine LOVES that I'm doing this instead of smoking. He's watched me try to quit so many times and he KNOWS how miserable it made me. Now, he sees that I'm not smoking and I'm not miserable - far from it. I may never give up e-cigs, and that's just fine with him.

I don't get these people who are so hostile. Like the one on this thread telling another poster he should smoke because nicotine is an insecticide. Bloody hell, that's some serious hate. Or the one who thinks using an e-cig on a plane is just like boarding with a fake bomb strapped on your body. WTF?

My experience is that most non-smokers have no problem with it, even when they know what it is. If you choose an e-cig that doesn't resemble a cigarette and change up how you hold it a little, most people won't even make the association - it just won't occur to them that you're "smoking" at all. My e-cig is black and looks like a pen. I hold it at the end, which is impossible to do with a lit cigarette. That allows me to cover the LED with my hand, and also further reinforces the impression that I'm holding a pen.

Good luck!

[SirRevolutionary]

217. Awesome decision!

The ones they sell at convenience stores are usually cheap knock-offs, but it's a good start that you were prompted to try. Especially through all the misinformation in this thread :)

People like different flavors from different stores, hardware from different manufacturers, and there's tons of forums to help you decide what works best for you. I don't usually like to plug any particular store or forum, vaping is a personal decision and we each find out what works best for us. So my advice is Google everything, ask around, find what works for you. Good luck!

[rucky]

118. Let's legislate for the most neurotic and ignorant portion of the population!

and the least tolerant.

[Stevenmarc]

143. We do it all the time, can we say Patriot Act.

[etherealtruth]

222. That pretty much sums it up

[in_cog_ni_to]

127. You get MORE Nicotine from the vegetables you eat than from any water vapor from an E cig!

Vegetable Nicotine in ng/g g per 1µg nicotine
Cauliflower 16.8 59.5
Eggplant (Aubergine) 100.0 10
Potatoes 7.1 140
Green tomatoes 42.8 23.4
Ripe tomatoes 4.3 233.0
Pureed tomatoes 52.0 19.2

Coffee and tea caffeine are more harmful than water vapor from an E cig. Nicotine does NOT cause cancer either. Though there's little to ZERO nicotine in water vapor emitted from an E cig.

[Vidar]

134. The only ban I am in favor of is one on Homeland Security.

[potone]

140. Oh what a good idea! Flying isn't unpleasant enough!!!

I have been wondering just what the next step would be to make flying even more miserable. Now I know!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

141. The thing about e cigs...

you can "stealth" vape and NO ONE ever knows because you can't smell it. :smoke: It's NOT smoke and evaporates almost immediately.

[Mariana]

152. Man, don't tell our secrets!

Although it's kind of fun to imagine some of the nuttier anti types getting all paranoid whenever they're in public wondering if someone, somewhere near them is vaping, and knowing that most of the time, they can't do shit about it. Imagine what that must be like for them! Smokers are easy to bust, but vapers? They see some woman who looks like she's chewing on a pen - or is it an e-cig? The only way to know is to SEE the vapor during the miniscule amount of time that it's actually visible. Even then, if they complain, most of the time no one's going to give a shit. "You say someone's smoking in here? I don't see any smoke. Wait, what? Vapor? What do you mean, vapor? Secondhand nicotine? You say they might was well be masturbating in here? I see. Do you want me to call someone for you? What was your doctor's number?"

[Bryn]

169. Take a look at this website where I created "Techofogger Tarot"

Follow the story of E-Cigarette. I was an activist for right to vape there. The site used to be busy, but is now just for information for right to vape activists.

http://www.righttovape.com/index.php/topic,557.0.html

[Zax2me]

195. Drug addicts are up in arms over this I see.

Give me nicotine or give me death!

[Bluenorthwest]

201. A few months ago I was seated across the aisle from a guy

who seemed to be using an inhaler of some sort, round, medicinal looking. Turned out it was an e-cig that did not look like a cig, especially made to quell the interest of those who see the shape and freak out. He said he flew a lot, got e-cig hassles, and this one ended that. Different shape, not one question.
I'm vaping right now and loving it.

[Mariana]

204. Mine is black and longer than most cigarettes.

It looks more like a pen than anything else, and that's exactly what everyone thinks it is when they see it. I use batteries with a blue LED in public, and cover it with my hand while it glows. I'd like to get a few batteries with no LED at all - I think they're available now for the model I use. No one has ever given me a hassle. I haven't tried to vape openly on a plane, but I have done in airports, waiting in line to board flights, with no problem.

[Luminous Animal]

206. I went and bought a disposable (to try it out) this morning. I like it and I am going to buy

a non-disposable. I'm very confused by all of the choices though.