Nice to see Canadians see through the Libyan propaganda.

[Prometheus Bound]

Anti-Gadhafi forces face fierce battles
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/09/17/libya-sirte-fighting.html

Top rated comments

1. Dear CBC writers: I heard NATO's high-precision bombing preceeded all 'rebel' incursions during this conflict. Do you know anything about that? You don't seem to mention it in any of your prestigious articles. thank you!

2. In which country are people really free? I don't know of one.Nice propaganda in this article though.

3. A beautiful piece of propaganda.

4. I dont like how we were manipulated by our government; no fly zone to all out bombing of targets called out by rebels. We are sold one bill of goods and get another, while our parliment works on renaming the armed forces or "happy 1812 war day". CBC, please investigate how this "slight of hand" unfolded.

5. Thank you CBC for doing your part in the psy-op. I had over the years come to expect more from you than referring to the armed forces of a sovereign state as "Ghadafi gunmen", but I understand that these are busy times. Eddie Bernays and Josef Goebells would still be proud, so keep up the good work.

Worst rated comments
1. The solution is simple... circle the city...cut off all ways in or out....and starve them out.

2. Even with only a couple cities in his hand Gadaffi continues his lies. I haven't heard him tell the truth even one time. I wonder if he has any understanding. One can't make a proper decision without knowing the truth. If everyone had the truth it would be 1 against 6 million. (and no war at all)

3. Why don't they just use siege warfare. Worked for Caesar, should work for the NTC.
This way it'll be up to the civilians to come to the NTC not the other way around.
If this attack is about the U.N. Mandated time table, all I can say is the NTC is the Government, so it has the right to request the appropriate aid from the UN. Turkey should step up to the plate and start taking a command position in this conflict.

4. I don't understand why people are against this whole thing. the first world get more oils=Good and the libyans become free of gaddafi=GOOD

5. This war should be over....time for the Revolutionary fighters to issue a "no quarter" edict if there is not an immediate surrender.....that's how it used to be in the Middle East and it should now be used in an attempt to save lives.....of those fighting for freedom.

[SwampG8r]

1. as a floridian i used to make fun of canadians

i work in the food industries and would see a lot of them
we always found them quaintly amusing to damn funny
then i went to canada on a trip
everything i came in contact with was first rate
every person i met was informed and educated
the food was better
the airline was nicer
every aspect of canada is superlative
even the godforsaken high plains on the alaskan border was captivatingly beautiful beyond belief
i am canadas biggest fan

[demosincebirth]

5. "every person i met was informed and educated." Are you

insinuating that we are not?

:sarcasm::-)

[SwampG8r]

6. i am a floridian

if i use my reality to judge all others then the world is a stupid and dangerous place
canada was not either of those

[demosincebirth]

33. I guess the my sarcasm went over your head.

[SwampG8r]

35. sarcasm does not work south of savannah georgia

[demosincebirth]

36. It does not work or they don't understand it?

[SwampG8r]

37. sadly both

that is something they actually say in savannah the sarcasm dont work thing

[EFerrari]

2. "so keep up the good work"

lol

That was good.

:)

[wingzeroday]

3. right

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8939345967488327634#

[polly7]

4. I think a lot of people all over the world have seen through it.

This is a comment from Craig Murray back in the end of August.

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/08/sirte-the-apotheosis-of-liberal-intervention/

"There is no cause to doubt that, for whatever reason, the support of the people of Sirte for Gadaffi is genuine. That this means they deserve to be pounded into submission is less obvious to me. The disconnect between the UN mandate to protect civilians while facilitating negotiation, and NATO’s actual actions as the anti-Gadaffi forces’ air force and special forces, is startling.

There is something so shocking in the Orwellian doublespeak of NATO on this point that I am severely dismayed. I suffer from that old springing eternal of hope, and am therefore always in a state of disappointment. I had hoped that the general population in Europe is so educated now that obvious outright lies would be rejected. I even hoped some journalists would seek to expose lies....

I was wrong, wrong, wrong."

"I strongly support the revolutions of the Arab Spring. But NATO intervention does not bring freedom, it brings destruction, degradation and permanent enslavement to the neo-colonial yoke. From now on, Libyans like us will be toiling to enrich western bankers. That, apparently, is worth to NATO the reduction of Sirte to rubble."

I agree with him.

[JCMach1]

7. Not to mention the irony of the rebel leader praising secularism

while the callous on his forehead from praying too hard is visible to everyone...

[joshcryer]

8. More of the top rated comments:

The story has not updated about the recent 300 plus civilians including many children killed by NATO aggression in overnight bombings on Sirte. Am not a fan of Gaddafi, but if a foreign force (rebels and NATO) was to start attacking my town, i'd to everything to protect it. For this reason, I'm thrilled at how Gaddafi forces have rocked the rebels and supposed "new government" on their tracks. Someone ought to tell those coward greedy fools Cameron and shorty Sarkozy- it ain't over, it's just the beginning of a widespread conflict. Gaddafi's a criminal, but a lesser oner compared to these 2.

To everyone saying Gadaffi's forces should surrender...Would you surrender your home to Al Quida/rebels because foreign powers with bigger guns then you labeled you "Illegitimate" on your own soil?

"Revolutionary fighters"
You are kidding, right. These are paid criminals by Khazarian criminals, and nato puppets are executing the crime with media brushing all under the carpet...

These Libyan stories must be the biggest BS PR campaign since GW2. Giving terrorists a seat at the U.N. What could be more isane. Its s obvious the globalist bankers are willing to do anything to legitimize this crime against the innocent libyan people.

Well seeing as Ghadaffi handed out something like a million AK47's and RPGs to his populace, im hoping his forces can push this inept Al'qaida losers back where they came from, namely Iraq, where they were fighting AGAINST american forces. Is handing out a million weapons to a populace that is supposedly hostile to you something a tyrannical dictator would do if the majority actually were against you?

[polly7]

9. Another good one

TimedEnd
2011/09/17
at 2:51 PM ET
"I wonder if Libya will still be the richest nation-state in Africa with the highest standard of living and a higher literacy rate than even some Western nations (such as the Netherlands) now that NATO, er, I mean, "revolutionary fighters" are taking power.

Gaddafi was about to make the country even richer by switching to a gold-backed currency, which would have set new standards with how oil is traded.

But this plan angered the imperialist Western powers (US, UK, France,, Canada).

And like so many times in history, they have installed their own govt, and disguised it as a righteous takeover.

Too bad the media plays along with this system of power.
If you want the real truth you have to dig for your self.

We are in an age of information warfare.

When it comes to the bigger stories of our day, especially regarding geo-politics, understand that there is always an agenda set by the super elites.

Subsequently, to learn the truth, look beyond the corporate and state media."

[joshcryer]

10. Definitely a good one.

Particularly if you find the gold currency libertarian ideal a bit over the top and silly.

[polly7]

12. Using the gold dinar ...... the fact these

leaders have chosen to abandon the petrodollar has always been cause for intervention. In 2010 Gaddafi made a motion to the UN General Assembly to investigate the circumstances of the invasion of Iraq. He was also wasting the west's ....... oops, 'libya's' oil on free education, housing, tolerance of immigrants, raising the standard of living in Africa, lowering infant mortality while raising life expectancy. I don't find that silly. Just another example of a formerly useful tyrant suddenly needing removal when not adhering to Western expectations. jmo, though.

[joshcryer]

13. Yes, I am aware of this story.

And I will continue to believe that gold dollars are a silly libertarian laissez faire capitalist ideal.

[polly7]

15. It really doesn't matter what currency is suggested ..... as soon as the

petrodollar is threatened, the tyrant / ally / whatever they've decided he is .... is a threat.

[joshcryer]

19. OK.

Don't buy it.

[polly7]

21. That's fine, I do. nt.

[Amonester]

14. Yeah, gaddafi cared so much about all immigrants...

As did his own son, hannibal's top-model wife aline: http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-02/world/libya.abuse_1_anti-gadhafi-moammar-gadhafi-hannibal-gadhafi?_s=PM:WORLD

Gave her a 200% raise (from zero)...

[polly7]

16. I never mentioned 'all' immigrants. Is there any nation on earth where

all immigrants receive a fair deal? Name me one.

"Oil-rich but with a relatively small population of 6.6. million, Gadhafi's Libya welcomed hundreds of thousands of black Africans looking for work in recent decades. Many young citizens of Mali and Niger who flocked to Libya in the 1970s and 1980s were recruited into an "Islamic Legion" modeled on the French Foreign Legion. In addition, Gadhafi's military recruited heavily from black tribes in Libya's south."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/01/libya-rebels-black-africans_n_944736.html

LIBYA: Rebels execute black immigrants while forces kidnap others
http://somalilandpress.com/libya-rebels-execute-black-immigrants-while-forces-kidnap-others-20586

"Many Africans have virtually nothing after years in Libya, many have been looted, robbed, while others saw their living quarters and apartments go in flames. Now they are praying to God to send them home.

While the international leaders are busy drafting resolutions to dismantle Muammar Gaddafi, the African Union has not yet commented on the situation in Libya.

Meanwhile, the International Criminal Court is said to have started a formal inquiry into possible crimes against humanity in Libya that will investigate the Libyan regime."

[Amonester]

17. "the African Union has not yet commented on the situation in Libya."

I will wait for the AU's comment, thanks.

In the meantime, I'm glad the poor exploited and tortured woman from Ethiopia has been saved from her horrendous nightmare. How many before her didn't survive, if any, we will probably never know.

[polly7]

20. I'm sad for the poor, murdered, raped and tortured Africans who have

been targeted. It's all horrible.

[Amonester]

24. Has there ever been any armed conflict in which innocents

were not targeted?

Of course it's a tragedy and it saddens me as well.

But I'm still glad many were saved from their nightmare, who wouldn't have been otherwise.

At least there's some positive (it's not like there's none at all).

[polly7]

25. But .......... I thought the whole point of it was to save Libya's innocents???

These innocent civilians were living and working and getting along fine. Now, they're imprisoned, being raped, brutalized, tortured. What was this all about, again????

[Amonester]

26. Getting rid of a 42-years-old tyrant and *former* terrorist regime

and issuing him a special invitation to the ICC in The Hague, maybe? :shrug:

And if all those who imprisoned, raped, brutalized, tortured these poor people who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time can be identified and proven guilty can get the same special invitations to the same tribunal, I'll be all for it (if proven guilty).

[polly7]

18. How's this for silly?

"It's now common knowledge that British SAS, French intelligence, US Central Intelligence Agency assets, Qatar special forces and mercenaries of all stripes were parachuted as boots on the ground for months, planning and training the "rebels" and in close coordination with that philanthropic prodigy, NATO.

That was never the UN mandate - but who cares? NATO/GCC paid the bills, NATO conducted the bombing and NATO/GCC will "stabilize" the mess, according to a 70-page plan leaked by the British to Rupert Murdoch'sz Times of London."

"Expect local - and global - fireworks as far as grabbing the loot is concerned. Without even considering the (still unexplored) oil and gas wealth, Libya's foreign assets are worth at least $150 billion. Libya's central bank, now about to be privatized, has no less than 143.8 tons of gold. Then there's at least a millennium supply of fresh water, which had started to be harnessed by Gaddafi via the spectacular, multibillion dollar Great Man-Made River (GMR) project."
http://antemedius.com/content/libya-r2p-now-right-2-plunder


Sorry, I fell for the bullsh* humanitarian propaganda at the start ........ there are too many reasons that have been exposed now to not see it for what it was.

[joshcryer]

22. That's much better than conspiracies about alternate petro currencies.

The interventionists motivations have never been questioned by me, I have always maintained that. Even the Libyan people know that they didn't intervene to help, they did it for the oil.

FYI Gaddafi sold 20% of the gold reserves at the failure of his regime.

[polly7]

23. A conspiracy to you ........... you're entitled to an opinion just like anyone. nt.

[Amonester]

11. 86 mostly anonymous comments hardly speaks for a 30 million+

country.

Have at it anyway if you fantasize it does.

[pampango]

27. Canada was a driving force behind the Responsibility to Protect doctrine that the UN adopted in 2005

http://www.international.gc.ca/glynberry/protect-resp-proteger.aspx?lang=eng&view=d

Responsibility to Protect

The concept of the Responsibility to Protect was developed in response to the genocide in Rwanda and the deliberate targeting of civilians in Kosovo and Srebrenica. Since these crises, a series of governmental and non-governmental initiatives have focused on reconciling traditional notions of state sovereignty with the moral imperative to act -- with force if necessary -- in the face of genocide and crimes against humanity.

Canada launched the International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty in 2000 with a mandate to tackle this issue, and has promoted its landmark report, entitled The Responsibility to Protect, as a valuable framework for building international consensus around the legitimate use of force to halt large-scale attacks on civilians.

Canada advocated strongly for world leaders to endorse Responsibility to Protect principles at the 2005 World Summit, and views their inclusion in the World Summit Outcome Document as a major achievement of the Summit.

The Outcome Document represents the first global consensus on the responsibility of individual states and of the international community to protect populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing, and crimes against humanity. Most importantly, it affirms the international community’s willingness to take timely and decisive action, through the Security Council, when peaceful means prove inadequate and national authorities are manifestly failing to protect their populations from such acts.

[Hoosier Daddy]

28. I guess I'm missing something here

Canada was one of the countries bombing Qaddafi's forces.

[Fumesucker]

29. What governments do isn't always what the population of that nation would wish..

[Prometheus Bound]

30. Yes, in general the comments refer to the Canadian government and media propagandists.

[socialshockwave]

31. I guess I'm in the minority on this one.

Whilst I loathe war, the world should aid the Libyan people in overthrowing a dictator who made it clear he'd slaughter tens of thousands of his people if they dared speak up against their lack of human rights.

I don't see this as "imperialism", I see this as common sense.

[EFerrari]

32. No, he said he would act against traitors. He also said

he would not act against rebels who laid down their arms.

And "the world" doesn't aids anyone out of altruism. It doesn't run on common sense but out of self interest.

[Liberal_in_LA]

34. kick

[countryjake]

38. Thanks for this...

and thanks to those Canucks for a rational perspective!